# MMO Recommendations **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 6, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176 "2017-02-06T17:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/41 "2017-02-13T17:57:55Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > **Friday the 13th** is 1 vs up to 7(?), everyone is trapped at Camp Crystal Lake; survivors must repair the phone line and call the police, radio for help, and/or repair 1 of 2 cars, and no matter what else, reach the road out to escape, while the killer must simply find and murder everyone before they can escape or 20 minutes have passed. As Jason you have several special powers, including the ability to teleport anywhere on the map. In this game the survivors can run much faster than Jason, but have limited stamina; if you cannot shake Jason before your stamina runs out you’re screwed (if you have a certain item you can escape him). This game is less balanced than **DbD** , but with 5-6 survivors there are enough players to split the killer’s attention and the map is quite large so usually at least someone escapes. Do virgins get extra bonuses? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/42 "2017-02-13T19:55:18Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > The missions so far have been either trivial or utterly mystifying. I’ve had to use the wiki twice just to find out what the point of a mission tier is, and some instructions are utterly unhelpful. For example, one of the first things you need to do is “Talk to survivors”… but survivor after survivor doesn’t count, and you just have to wander until you find a particular, unheralded, untagged survivor who advances the mission steps. Learning/teaching/tutorial is fine, but the lack of guidance in the direction of a goal can be frustrating. That is one of the more cryptic ones, as I recall. I can see where it would be annoying, but there are two things in its (partial) defense: One is that the sheriff does mention three specific survivors and emphasizes the key one in the cutscene. “Henry’s got his Word of God, that Roget woman has her crystal ball, and Norma out on the Point’s got a 12-gauge. My money’s on Norma.” The scene cuts away to Norma fighting zombies, but not to the other two. It narrows the search down to three (two of whom are close by and easy to check) and tells you the approximate location of the correct one. This underlines (hopefully by design) the fact that cutscenes are not just window dressing. There are useful hints in them, so you should pay close attention to them. (I don’t believe the info in the cutscenes is ever completely essential, but it can often speed you on your way.) The other is that it is a Main Story Mission–it fills that blue mission slot. These aren’t really intended to be plowed through the way you might do the other mission types. They don’t get paused and there’s only one mission chain that goes in that slot, so sometimes you want to let them sit on the back burner as you do other things. For example, there are a couple of side missions that lead you to Norma. If you go around doing stuff, the breadcrumbs should eventually lead you to her, and then you can progress the main story. All that said, yes, sometimes the missions aren’t clear. That’s especially true of investigation missions, and investigation elements are sometimes incorporated into the main story missions. If it gets frustrating, though, Sanctuary (/chat join Sanctuary) is pretty good about providing hints without spoilers. You can also set up a file that automatically adds various custom chat channels for you; you can find info on that from a Sanctuary regular [here](http://omnedatumoptimum.red/index.php/External/Scripts-to-auto-join-various-in-game-channels-mr-pyre-1321-19-Topic.html?p=%2520l). Unrelated tip: If you got everything in that bundle, I recommend doing “A Piece of the Road” for Moose at the sheriff’s office as soon as you can survive it. It gives you a _major_ sprint speed upgrade. > [@DCnDC](#): > > I’m not usually into PvP or playing online in general, simply because trolls and griefers are impossible to avoid, but I was recently talked into trying out **Dead by Daylight** and some of the similar **Friday the 13th** beta and I actually quite enjoyed them. Griefers don’t really factor in because it’s an asymmetrical PvP horror game and griefing is pretty much the whole point (and games are short so if someone is fucking around, you can just move on). > > Someone could still troll via sabotage, or by leading the killer to the other players, or simply by not helping the other players you’re supposed to be working with, but those types of bullshit I can deal with, especially if game matches are only about 20 minutes each. The number one “trollish” thing I’ve heard complaints about in _DbD_ is camping hooks. I don’t know if it’s actually trolling, but it seems un-fun and counter to the spirit of the game. (The Trapper setting traps in front of hooks and outside windows, on the other hand, strikes me as fair and in character.) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/43 "2017-02-13T20:20:22Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > The number one “trollish” thing I’ve heard complaints about in _DbD_ is camping hooks. I don’t know if it’s actually trolling, but it seems un-fun and counter to the spirit of the game. (The Trapper setting traps in front of hooks and outside windows, on the other hand, strikes me as fair and in character.) It’s not that big a problem; camping on a hook is not really a viable strategy unless your only goal is to get your one sacrifice to get a “Win” screen at the end of the session (IMO the single sacrifice win condition for killers is BS; I’ve not found any serious players who consider that a legit “win” for the killer, and I would not consider that a “win” for myself playing the killer, but whatever). If I know the killer is camping on a hook, I’m immediately declaring “easy mode,” taking the opportunity to link up with the other players to gang up on all the generators and open up all the doors really fast, then we go on a rescue mission, and if everyone else is healthy, rescuing one person and getting them to the door is fairly simple. Boldness is key; everyone runs in, someone takes a hit, and while the killer’s attack is in cooldown, someone unhooks the captured player, then everyone scatters in a different direction and works their way around to the doors. One or two people may get tagged, but he can’t chase us all! If someone gets caught, heal up and do it again. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/44 "2017-02-13T21:33:30Z")
I played TSW when it launched, but I’ve been away from it for well over a year. This thread makes me want to start up again. I’ll toss out here that the typical trinity does get knocked off kilter sometimes. IIRC, the Slaughterhouse instance required 4 DPS and a special tank/heal build in which the tank built for aggro and self healing. (“Required” may be too strong, but I recall that being the strongly preferred build for nightmare runs.) I also loved running the "first three"nightmare dungeons with a leach healer, which is kind of a DPS healing hybrid. It made the bosses go much faster, which was really a boon on the last boss of Polaris. (I hate the blue phase.) I really loved the classless system. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/45 "2017-02-13T23:11:29Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I played TSW when it launched, but I’ve been away from it for well over a year. This thread makes me want to start up again. I won’t lie, I’ve only played intermittently for the last couple of years, often logging in only when some new event is active then logging out after a few days. This thread has inspired me to put in some solid play lately. I forgot how fun progression was. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/46 "2017-02-13T23:24:13Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > It’s not that big a problem; camping on a hook is not really a viable strategy unless your only goal is to get your one sacrifice to get a “Win” screen at the end of the session (IMO the single sacrifice win condition for killers is BS; I’ve not found any serious players who consider that a legit “win” for the killer, and I would not consider that a “win” for myself playing the killer, but whatever). I think that’s why it’s considered borderline trolling–it’s not playing to win, and it’s not pitting hunting skill versus evasion skill, it’s just being a nuisance. I don’t play the game myself, so I can’t really say. I’ve just watched people play and gripe about it. > [@HookerChemical](#): > > I’ll toss out here that the typical trinity does get knocked off kilter sometimes. IIRC, the Slaughterhouse instance required 4 DPS and a special tank/heal build in which the tank built for aggro and self healing. (“Required” may be too strong, but I recall that being the strongly preferred build for nightmare runs.) I also loved running the "first three"nightmare dungeons with a leach healer, which is kind of a DPS healing hybrid. It made the bosses go much faster, which was really a boon on the last boss of Polaris. (I hate the blue phase.) Yes, there are places where the mechanics make unusual builds more useful. I think your example may be the encounter where the “boss” is actually a containment unit that the players need to reactivate by powering up shield nodes. The usual strategy is for a healtank to run around like a maniac, keeping the adds busy while everyone else clusters around each node in turn. There are also encounters, mainly in the raids, that generally call for two tanks. The good thing about the system is that you can swap out functionality like that on the fly. In fact, switching builds around is so common that there are actually achievements for completing the Nightmare dungeons without anyone on the team changing their build. (The Master Planner achievements, which unlock special outfits related to the dungeons.) As for leeching–my “hey, this is tough to solo” build is a leech build. It’s designed for a solo war of attrition on things with big sacks of health, like dungeon bosses and some of the bigger rare mobs. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/47 "2017-02-14T01:06:32Z")
Hook camping in Dead by Daylight has an obvious counter: rush the generators and leave. Except people (especially groups of friends) can’t get over the idea that sometimes someone doesn’t make it out. Apparently all the slasher flicks they’ve ever seen end with all the teenagers high-fiving while the killer tosses his knife on the ground like an angry sheriff. In theory, the killer would eventually get sick of Petty Victories and learn to move around. In reality, the survivors usually buzz around the hook like wasps on an apple core and the killer takes several people out. Then everyone rages about hook camping jerks. I played DbD for a while and it’s fun but it also has some of the most whiny player base I’ve seen in a game. Everyone has a self-serving idea of how the game “should” be played and then throws a fit when you don’t share it. You caught someone who jumped off a hook? You’re a jerk. You sabotaged a hook? You’re a jerk. You chased someone you chased earlier? You’re a jerk. You’re playing the Survive with Friends mode? You’re a jerk. Everything counts as griefing or trolling to half of those people. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/48 "2017-02-14T01:50:01Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > The good thing about the system is that you can swap out functionality like that on the fly. In fact, switching builds around is so common that there are actually achievements for completing the Nightmare dungeons without anyone on the team changing their build. (The Master Planner achievements, which unlock special outfits related to the dungeons.) This deserves reiteration. You can swap builds and equipment at (almost?) any time you’re not in combat. Once you’ve unlocked your chaos magic and hammer skills for tanking and your claw/blood skills for healing, you can move between those builds with nothing but better build management standing in your way. (Is there an official solution to build/gear management?) Which brings me to the fact that I hate you all. I’ve reinstalled the game. I may have an answer to my own question by tomorrow. My main is StGermain. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/49 "2017-02-14T18:20:54Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > This deserves reiteration. You can swap builds and equipment at (almost?) any time you’re not in combat. Once you’ve unlocked your chaos magic and hammer skills for tanking and your claw/blood skills for healing, you can move between those builds with nothing but better build management standing in your way. (Is there an official solution to build/gear management?) Personally, I find the standard gear manager sufficient, but there are a lot of mods that offer alternatives. I use the Meeehr-UI Topbar mod, which puts a ton of useful stuff, including gear management, on the bar at the top of your UI. (You may need to unlock the UI placement and rearrange things to make it look the way you want.) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176/50 "2017-02-14T18:33:01Z")
> [@Balance](#): > > I use the Meeehr-UI Topbar mod, which puts a ton of useful stuff, including gear management, on the bar at the top of your UI. I do too, and Viper Deck Manager. Curse has a lot of good mods, though some are obsolete and you have to find an unofficial update (check the TSW forums, people will upload fixes). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmo-recommendations/779176.md?page=2)