# Mockingjay - \*\*Spoilers \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 3, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892 "2012-12-03T19:41:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/41 "2012-12-06T20:16:18Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > The more we talk about it the more I think that my deep dissatisfaction is more with the lack of info about the final government in the Epilogue. I want to know whether they succeeded in creating a fair society. By the end of the third book, I thought the central theme could be summed up along the same lines as the three rules of thermodynamics: 1. You can’t win. 2. You can’t break even. 3. You can’t get out of the game. What looked like victories for Katniss turned out to be fleeting. What looked like victories for society were fleeting. The best thing Katniss was eventually able to do was to try to get out of the game entirely, and even then, there’s no avoiding the effects of the government. My guess about the final government is that it was imperfect in many ways, but, lacking a charismatic leader, wasn’t as effective, and so it didn’t hurt people as much as either of its predecessors. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/42 "2012-12-06T20:17:20Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > I think that Haymitch’s return to drinking was due to his intractable alcoholism, rather than any kind of political disappointments. Yeah, just because the government changed doesn’t mean his entire family wasn’t murdered. Those demons are still there. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/43 "2013-01-16T15:09:21Z")
(late to the party, as usual) Just finished the last book and I’m suprised nobody has brought up this point: Why bother attacking the capital at all? It was a massive loss of lives on the rebels part as well as innocent capital civilians. They already made the explicit point that the capital’s survival was dependant on all the other districts. Districts for food, a district for energy, a district for weapons and soldiers, etc. etc. All the districts were free at this point. So why not just let the capital implode on itself? ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/44 "2013-01-18T04:39:16Z")
iirc, the one who ran District 13 wanted to rule. so she had to take the Capitol and install herself. they were running propaganda videos even as they were attacking the Capitol to unite the districts to 13. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/45 "2013-01-18T11:30:20Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Having an 11 year old daughter, I got sucked into the Hunger Games series and I found the ending to be one of the biggest steaming piles of fetid crap I could ever remember. From the emotional manipulation to the plot holes, to the stupidity and poor logic skills of the characters, I would be hard pressed to find anything good to say about the ending of Mockingjay. Well, it is the rare YA book that ends with the main character being deflowered. There’s _that_ at least. 😉 I actually liked the book. Katniss was an emotional wreck, wasn’t an inspiring leader, and spent most of the time at the mercy of greater forces than her. Rather refreshing that she was quite human and not some typical sci-fi superhero who saves the day through their meticulous plotting, amazing ability to forecast people’s reactions, and feats of inhuman physical strength and perseverance. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/46 "2013-01-18T13:51:07Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, it is the rare YA book that ends with the main character being deflowered. There’s _that_ at least. 😉 I don’t remember that. (unless I’ve just been whooshed) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/47 "2013-01-18T14:35:23Z")
We sold our copy but I’ll see if I can get the wording later. But, yes - in the end of the book, she settles for Peeta and, the first time they’re doing it, he asks her a question of some sort, whereupon she answers affirmatively (I can’t remember the question, but I had my wife read the passage and she agreed it’s strongly implied that they’re in the midst of love-making during the sequence.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/48 "2013-01-18T14:50:34Z")
I looked it up and it was the “do you love me for real?” question. This might not have been the exact end of the book, but it was in the last few pages. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/49 "2013-01-18T15:22:13Z")
this is the exact end, the last lines right before the epilogue with their kids. > [@](#): > > … “So after, when he whispers, “You love me. Real or not real?” > I tell him, “Real.” so yeah. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892/50 "2013-01-18T18:32:24Z")
I didn’t care for Katniss thru the entire series - she was too much like Forrest Gump, just pushed along by events or the manipulations of others. The only decent thing about her was her desire to protect her sister and then the author had her fail at that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mockingjay-spoilers/642892.md?page=2)