Know what else is passive aggressive? Constantly whining about a warning you got 3 months ago.
It would be. Except when I got it I didn’t run to ATMB like certain butthurt little girls do. I didn’t PM the mod pleading for it to be taken away. And in the months since, I never mentioned it even once, until this situation which is very similar prompted it being mentioned.
Constantly? We must have different definitions of that word.
To be honest the accusation of trolling isn’t the bit that worries me (it was more a moderator putting his mod hat on for no good reason - apart from the fact that it would shut up the people disagreeing with him in a discussion), but it does show a massive double standard in the moderation. RickJay came flying in the with moderator-issue size twelves when it really wasn’t required, accused me of trolling (as he has now done about three times now as well as accusing me of having a history of nationalistic insults despite not offering any proof of such) and ignored someone else accusing me of trolling.
So my very, very mild discussion about how something is arrogant and makes you look like a laughing stock, which I have since backed up with a quote from an NBA coach saying the same thing and have also corrected RickJay about who it was directed at (surprise, surprise, he had got it wrong), gets moderated, but the accusations of being a troll, something which I believe is specifically against board rules outside the pit, is ignored.
That, sir, is a double standard and merely serves to support my reasoning why I was moderated in the first place.
I’d really like to know how what I did was trolling, why another user has not been moderated for implying that I have a history of trolling, what this history of trolling and national insults that you claim I have is all about and whether you can accept that you were mistaken when you thought I was aiming something at all Americans.
An apology for overzealous moderation would go a long way too.
Or you could just quit bitching about it, as you weren’t given a warning, and just let it go.
I have answered these questions, but for the sake of clarity will do so again.
- You did not quite cross the line into warnable trolling, which is why you haven’t received a warning. You did stick a toe over the line though, by stating that Americans are “laughingstocks” for no good reason. That’s why I stepped in with a relatively mild moderator reminder.
I would further like to clarify that it is of course perfectly acceptable for a moderator to accuse someone of trolling for the purpose of enforcing the rule against trolling.
- The reason “another user” has not been warning for calling you a troll is presumably that no moderator has seen that. In fact, I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. Perhaps I and the other Game Room moderators have missed it. If you would direct our attention to the post we will review the case and make a decision, and furthermore, we will answer you by PM regarding what our decision is and the reason for it.
(SDMB mailing list emails, which notify us of reported posts, have been on the fritz for a few days, so if you have reported a post very recently I will not have gotten to it. If you would re-report it or send a PM with a link, I can act on it.)
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I have posted a link to the thread in which you and other posters engaged in the same sort of insulting, nationalistic nonsense. It’s not a long history or else you’d have been warned by now, but a history it is.
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Whether or comment was aimed at “all Americans” or just many of them is frankly of no consequence. Either way, your comment was inflammatory and threatened to derail the discussion, and so I asked you to stop. I am pleased to note that the thread has continued without nationalistic flames, at least the last time I checked.
You do not deserve an apology and you will not receive one. You are welcome to appeal the matter to the board’s administration if you disagree with my position.
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…he linked to the post by Covered_In_Bees! in the very first post of this thread!
Ah, I see. I was looking for a link and glossed over the quote. I’ll have to examine that.
It is encouraged, but not required, to give a note before a formal warning. If the offence is strong enough in the moderator’s opinion, a formal warning is within their powers and rights. Just because you got a formal warning and someone else in a different situation got a note first does not mean the moderator acting wrongly in either case.
When I read the specific incident in question, the moderating does seem a bit stringent. Observing that a certain behavior gives the appearance of arrogance doesn’t seem to violate any rules.
Its just fantastic that you cleared that up for me.
…just curious, now you’ve had a few days to examine the quote what your thoughts were?
I just think that moderators who are involved in the situation should just give out Notes, unless a specific rule is violated (and the “jerk” rule doesn’t count because it’s so vague*). You can always have another mod come in and change it to Warning if appropriate. And if they don’t listen to your Note, then that’s a direct violation of the rules, and you get to give them a Warning.
Now, if this was a different board, then I’d say you could go ahead and give out a Warning, and then allow another mod the power to rescind it. But we know how reluctant you guys are to doing this. Once a Warning is given, it pretty much stays, due to the need to present a unified front.
*Heck, I’ve been a jerk several times and have been told so by others. Yet none of those ever crossed the line. (The ones that did, no one told me were jerkish but a mod.)
It is indeed a good idea for a different mod to issue warnings, should any be necessary, in a discussion a mod is involved in. (Voice of experience here, alas.)
That said – there was no warning issued here, the admonition was in the form of a mod note.
Interesting, amanset, I was the one who ended up with a warning in that thread, foolishly not realizing a mod had already strongly suggested no further nationalistic views were to be posted, yet you’re here complaining about a non-warning. Also it would’ve been better for me to start a thread somewhere else to discuss the whole “American” label topic anyway, not a thing to talk about in the Game Room, even though it is highly relevant as far as I’m concerned (I do live in the USA, BTW).
I wouldn’t worry too much about a mod moderating in a thread he/she is participating in, as long as it is done without bias I think it’s just fine. There’s so many people on here, so many threads, so much to do and look over, why bother someone else to issue judgement? If we were all running around willy nilly this whole place would be one giant mess, the fact that it was caught and handled quickly keeps things from getting out of hand and forcing someone to close the thread entirely. I sheepishly backed off and bowed to Rick Jay’s authority in the matter, sure I came away a little bruised, but that’s what happens when you go off and nearly cause a total Thread-Down (yes, feel free to use that, it’s not copyrighted :))
It is now, and my lawyer will be contacting you.
Darn it, I knew that would happen…