# Moderator Actions! Come one come All! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 6, 2001, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334 "2001-02-06T10:27:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/61 "2001-02-08T05:36:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > **And I do think that Shayna, catooniverse and oldscratch all need to know whether > [list=A][li]the threats should be taken seriously[/li][li]Given A true, if those who made the threats are welcome on the board[/list=A]I know that this particular case is not really my business. As a precedent however, I’d quite like to know the answers to A and B.**[/li] > and also: > > **As a general rule though, I’m guessing that threatening to sue fellow posters for harassment will not exactly be smiled upon.** You’re right, **kabbes** , it’s really not your business, but I’ll answer your questions anyway, primarily because you have grossly misinterpreted my post and, as **Cartooniverse** did, attributed statements to me that I did not make. [list=A][li]Yes, I expected **Cartooniverse** to take my “threat” seriously. Had I actually called him a Mother Fucking Liar or any other such thing, and he responded in kind, I’d have deserved his vitriol. However, as I stated to him then, I never even so much as cursed at him and nothing I _did_ say was deserving of the bile he spewed at me. Because he proved himself completely incapable of actually reading what I wrote, I didn’t (and don’t) want him replying to me any further _anywhere_ under any circumstances. I refuse to be the target of his **unwarranted** anger.[/li] [li]I’ll have to answer this one _Jeopardy_ style. Why on earth would I not be welcome on this message board for having told someone who showed such utter rudeness to me (as **Coldfire** so eloquently put it) to _back the fuck off_?[/list=A]And now for the clarification of _your_ misinterpretation of my words. Nowhere did I ever threaten to **sue** anyone! As has been previously pointed out to you, there was no “legal” threat either stated or implied in _my_ post. However, if I ask him not to respond to me further and he continues to do so, I would consider that harrassment and as such, it would put him in violation of the Terms of Service that he agreed to when signing up with his ISP. Therefore, I would certainly report him for said violation. What they’d choose to do about it would be entirely up to them.[/li] I hope that sufficiently clears things up for you. And **Coldy** , I loves ya! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/62 "2001-02-08T10:03:53Z")
It certainly explains for me your side of things, **Shayna**. I can’t blame you for getting fed up with abuse and though surely you expect such to a certain extent in the pit, there certainly is a limit. I just have a vision in my mind of a future in which every poster has to keep a list by his or her computer of all the posters they are not allowed to address, on pain of being reported for harassment. I can see **oldscratch** , for example, thinking “Hmm. I really want to refute **Nacho4Sara’s** points in this measured political debate, but I can’t since that would result in my ISP suspending my services.” Meanwhile **N4S** didn’t really get across the full thrust of her argument anyway since she couldn’t fully respond to **Upham’s** points for the same reason. **Upham** himself on the other hand wasn’t allowed to respond to **any** of the previous posts, so his argument was a bit incongruous and bitty, attempting to address some points whilst carefully skating the fine line of not actually mentioning the specific points he is addressing. Your disagreement with **cartooniverse** , as I acknowledged, isn’t my business. A board that goes in the above direction however would be, and would be more than a little unfortunate. Like I said, I can’t blame you for taking the action you pursued. I will ask though if, in retrospect, it was _really_ necessary? (Invoke slippery slope argument here). Anyway, I’ve no wish to piss anybody off here. Your choices are your choices and I respect them. Finally, to clarify - I never thought that anyone had _actually_ threatened to sue anyone. My last remark was just meant to be a little lighthearted, hence the big grin that went with it. Furthermore I _personally_ never thought that the board should take any action against you **or** **cartooniverse**. It was merely the fact that **Euty** seemed to be threatening **cartooniverse** with banning that prompted the question. pan ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/63 "2001-02-08T10:50:02Z")
> [@](#): > > . However, if I ask him not to respond to me further and he continues to do so, I would consider that harrassment and as such, it would put him in violation of the Terms of Service that he agreed to when signing up with his ISP. Therefore, I would certainly report him for said violation. What they’d choose to do about it would be entirely up to them. Let me get this straight…if this one particular member posts in response to you on a message board you intend to narc him out to his ISP? What? I can see if he’s emailing you and you ask him to stop, but hey, he can’t even respond to a word that you post? Sheesh! Is this what you are saying Shayna?..or do I misunderstand? Oh, and I do consider this my business based upon how you might answer these questions. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/64 "2001-02-08T12:00:54Z")
Takes nacho over his knee [spank! spank!] I asked for things to be kept civil in this thread. I know its the pit, but the point of this thread is to keep things nice and easy, in a pit like setting, if you can understand. [/spank! spank!] puts oldscratch over his knee [spank! spank!] young man, chill a little. I don’t care who started it, I will not have this turn into a sniping festival or I will turn the thread around and no one gets to see the Dancing Capybara’s petting zoo on ice. [/spank! spank!] now sit there quietly and think about what you did 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/65 "2001-02-08T15:07:29Z")
are we there yet… are we there yet… are we there yet? I gotta go to the bathroom!!! ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/66 "2001-02-08T15:11:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > Takes nacho over his knee > > [spank! spank!] Damn. I wish **I** could get in trouble with Twist jarbaby ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/67 "2001-02-08T15:13:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bear\_Nenno \* > \*\*are we there yet… are we there yet… are we there yet? > I gotta go to the bathroom!!! \*\* [Cosby] We have placed a hundred black poisonous snakes all over the floor of your bedroom… If you so much as take one step out of that bed, why they’ll eat you right up and you’ll be dead until morning. [/Cosby] ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/68 "2001-02-08T23:30:08Z")
I think the recent decision of Chronos to close my thread in GQ that asks questions regarding the memorization of eye chart tests was wrong. He asserts that memorization of an eye chart test is “dangerous” and “probably illegal”. I’d like to see some factual basis for this wild assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2001, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/69 "2001-02-08T23:42:28Z")
…and also, why is Manny deleting links to the Erowid Experience Vaults? How in the heck is that justified? I wasn’t the one providing those links (I already have the site bookmarked), but I’ve seen him delete those links twice now. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/70 "2001-02-09T00:59:14Z")
It’s decent of you to put these complaints in here, **Krispy** , but a link to the threads at hand might help. I -and probably a lot of other people- don’t really feel like looking them up myself. ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/71 "2001-02-09T01:34:18Z")
[Here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=59059) the eye test link. Don’t say moderators don’t do anything nice for ya KO. But I agree with Chronos’ action. You’re being daft again. You are announcing your intention to help your friend cheat on a mandatory eye test at the DMV. I’m sure a lawyer will correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that qualifies as knowingly giving a government agency fraudlent information. That would be illegal. And requesting assistance in or declaring your intention of breaking the law is not something we are comfortable allowing. Come on, Krispy. If you had left it at your OP you would have been fine. ---
**Author:** ![Upham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Upham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Upham)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/72 "2001-02-09T01:35:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Upham himself on the other hand wasn’t allowed to respond to any of the previous posts, so his argument was a bit incongruous and bitty, attempting to address some points whilst carefully skating the fine line of not actually mentioning the specific points he is addressing. How was i not allowed to post? I post where and when i fuckin well feel like it, provided i have something to say. I wasn’t even paying attention to this thread till i did a little Ego search for my name and this thread came up. That just happens to be all i have to say. Do you honestly think i’m _scared_ of what somepeople will say to me or what i might say to other posters? There are no specific points because the thread to which i reas refering (to the best of my knowledge) has been deleted. I was just pointing out that, as far as i can recall, **Nacho** was none too kind to me there. It’s not like i’m bitching about it, after all (again, as i recall) later in that same thread i told her to bite my ass. I pretty well consider us even. It was just a point of information, take it as such, i have no arguement here nor any with either **Nacho** or **oldscratch**. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/73 "2001-02-09T01:45:10Z")
Thanks for doing **Krispy** s homework, **'Gene**. **Krispy** , upon reading that thread, I can’t disagree with **Chronos** decision to close it. It seems pretty obvious to me that you were asking for ways to let your friend commit an illegal act. Now, be a good lad and provide the second link yourself so we can get on with our clarifications. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/74 "2001-02-09T02:33:00Z")
Gee Coldie I guess since you mods aren’t allowed to disagree in public with one another anyway (according to Ed; Re: the Melin incident), why even waste your time in typing that sentence? But hey Alpha, I _didn’t_ state that I had intentions of helping someone to pass their eye test. I think you’ll see that I refered to the situation in hypotheic terms. Yes, I do know someone that has a vision problem and was going to take the test, but hey, by the time the thread got underway he had already taken the test. I learned this evening that he passed the exam although he couldn’t read even the biggest symbol with the left eye. He told me that they graded him 20/300 in his bad eye and 20/30 in his good one. I wasn’t going to try to procure a copy of the chart, and the person in question (believe me) wouldn’t have wanted to try to memorize it anyway. You guys spend way too much time speculating on motives, especially mine, and you prove it time and time again. Besides, even if your deepest, darkest fear about me actually \*were[/] true, just how in the heck do you supose that the SDMB is liable anyway? Paranoia on your part I say. Manny knows what the two threads were in which he deleted links to the web site mentioned in my earlier post. He can answer if he wants to, or ignore me if he’d prefer…I’ll accept any level of particpation or non-participation that he gives me. On the other hand, like I’ve already said, I’m not the least bit interested in the opinions of other mods, because I’ve never seen anything other than parroting where these things are concerned. But hey Coldie, if it would score me enough points with you to get you to treat me as fairly as you’d treat someone else (but I’m not holding my breath), here is the latest thread in which the link was deleted: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=58923](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=58923) I would be interested in reading the opinions of other members…although a certain percentage of them are known moderator butt-kissers, there are actually many that will still give you an honest opinion…which is why I keep coming back. ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/75 "2001-02-09T02:42:24Z")
I’ll take a stab at it. If indeed the link was to specific instructions on how to make LSD from plants, I agree. If he makes it a policy to delete any link to the erowid site, I’d have to disagree. Also, if it was linked to information on the site that simply showed how you couldn’t create controlled substances from Morning Glory seeds, I’d have to also disagree. ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/76 "2001-02-09T02:49:42Z")
**Krispy** : In both of these cases the Moderator’s actions are in line with their past actions. The administration has consistently closed threads and deleted links that were references to illegal activity. They do this consistently. Regardless of who the poster might be. In your thread you would have been on more solid ground had you left it in the world of the hypothetical, instead of bringing up the real person who had an upcoming eye test. Of course, I didn’t see the link that was deleted, so I can’t really comment on that. But, as I have said before **manhattan** is a good egg. I have no doubt that the link was borderline, at best. I don’t consider myself a Mod ass kisser, but if a few of the pretty female mods would like, I would be happy to offer my services. (Heck, if the male ones are pretty enough… Not you, **UncleBeer!** Joph told me alllllll about your wandering tounge.) pat ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/77 "2001-02-09T03:56:46Z")
I don’t venture into the pit very often. And when I do, I seldom feel that there is any point in posting, since it is my considered opinion that most of the time it is useless. It is useless because usually, no one involved REALLY wants to resolve anything, most times they just want to be contentious. People need to vent, and this is a forum for them to do so. I have no problem with this. Although, I have to say that I think it would be best, and nice, if people really WERE trying to resolve things. But I would like to say that this is the best message board on the net. Largely, I believe, because of the moderators. We are lucky enough to have intelligent, caring and witty moderators here. They donate their time to make this board a reasonible place to be. I am getting tired of the petty stuff that gets elevated to Olympian heights by people who should know better. Our moderators are trying to make this place a CIVIL place for people to express differing opinions, and at the same time they are trying to keep the peace. I commend their efforts, and (I know that this is going to be flamed, and I don’t care much) I wish that we could just all make an effort to agree to disagree here and there without it escalating into a war. It CAN be done, if we make an effort. Scotti ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/78 "2001-02-09T04:12:52Z")
Ah, c’mon, Krispy, you’re generally a good guy. Don’t start another bitch against the mods. Just shrug it off, man, just shrug it off! ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/79 "2001-02-09T09:47:32Z")
er **Upham** - if you had actually read this thread rather than just done a ego search for your name, you would have seen that I was just randomly using your name in a **hypothetical** example of what **could** happen if we all went down **Shayna** ’s route of slapping orders on eachother preventing people from addressing us. I happened to use you, **N4S** and **oldie** in my little example because you three had just been having a little bitch at eachother - but it is nothing personal, really! All friends now? pan ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/80 "2001-02-09T13:43:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krispy Original \* > **Gee Coldie I guess since you mods aren’t allowed to disagree in public with one another anyway (according to Ed; Re: the Melin incident), why even waste your time in typing that sentence?** Because, evidently, neither Ed or anyone else is going to kick my ass out of here _should_ I have disagreed with Chronos. The fact that moderators are all human beings means that mistakes are sometimes made. I remember **manhattan** , in true style, admitting to a mistake just a few weeks ago. What happened with the Melin incident was something else altogether. You can look it all up if you want - although looking things up apparently isn’t your _forte_. Bottom line: I reviewed the thread, and wholeheartedly agreed with **Chronos** ’ actions. Any conspiracy theories you further choose to attach to that are your business. Perhaps some people will be slightly amused. Who knows. > [@](#): > > **But hey Alpha, I _didn’t_ state that I had intentions of helping someone to pass their eye test. I think you’ll see that I refered to the situation in hypotheic terms. Yes, I do know someone that has a vision problem and was going to take the test, but hey, by the time the thread got underway he had already taken the test.** Let’s assume for arguments sake that this is true (I fuckin’ doubt it). **Chronos** had no way of knowing that. He saw you ask if it’s possible to memorize an eye exam, and he saw you say it was for a friend of yours that needed to pass such an exam for his drivers license. He closed it because that was all the info he had. And no matter what claims you make _now_ can put **Chronos** ’ decision in a different light. So you might as well stop it. > [@](#): > > **You guys spend way too much time speculating on motives, especially mine, and you prove it time and time again.** Krispy, **you** brought this complaint up. If it were up to me, I wouldn’t be spending any time at all on you. It’s just my job (as well as all of the other mods) to respond to questions about moderator actions. Well, it’s not a _duty_, since this isn’t a democracy, it’s a _courtesy_. The other part is keeping illegal shit, as posted by idiots like yourself, away from the SDMB. What part of it don’t you understand? > [@](#): > > **Besides, even if your deepest, darkest fear about me actually _were_ true, just how in the heck do you supose that the SDMB is liable anyway? Paranoia on your part I say.** We have no _fears_ about you. We’re merely deleting or discouraging information that might be considered, or is, illegal. > [@](#): > > **Manny knows what the two threads were in which he deleted links to the web site mentioned in my earlier post. He can answer if he wants to, or ignore me if he’d prefer…I’ll accept any level of particpation or non-participation that he gives me. On the other hand, like I’ve already said, I’m not the least bit interested in the opinions of other mods, because I’ve never seen anything other than parroting where these things are concerned.** Why do I have a feeling you’re going to challenge me to do it anyway, even though you claim to be “not the least bit interested” in my opinion? > [@](#): > > **But hey Coldie, if it would score me enough points with you to get you to treat me as fairly as you’d treat someone else (but I’m not holding my breath), here is the latest thread in which the link was deleted: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=58923](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=58923)** Couple of points, Mr. Martyr(#7 :rolleyes: ): [ul][li]You are **not** treated differently from any other poster here.[/li][li]You are, however, **watched** more closely because of your disastreous past on these boards.[/li][li]Do **not** insinuate you have to live up to different standards unless you can substantiate it.[/li][li]The thread you linked did, of course, not contain the deleted links anymore. But if these links provided information to extracting LSD from whatever plant it was, **manhattan** was fully justified in closing it, since LSD is a controlled substance in the United States. What you fail to understand about this, is a mystery to me once more.[/ul][/li] > [@](#): > > \*\*I would be interested in reading the opinions of other members…although a certain percentage of them are known moderator butt-kissers, there are actually many that will still give you an honest opinion…which is why I keep coming back. \*\* And if you keep inane behaviour like this up, you just might **not** be coming back. You’ve been (occasionally) walking the line ever since the SDMB gave you a second (third? fourth? How many screen names did you have after you were banned the first time??) chance. I think it’s time to evaluate your progress towards the Good Citizen you promised to be in your begging e-mails back in the day. Of course, shaping up and not acting like a complete dolt all the time might help improve your chances. Good luck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334.md?page=5)