# Moderator Actions! Come one come All! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 6, 2001, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334 "2001-02-06T10:27:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/81 "2001-02-09T15:19:08Z")
I’m not an “idiot”…and I certainly don’t “act like a dolt all the time”. Oh, and FWIW, you can’t extract LSD from a plant. duh. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/82 "2001-02-09T15:21:59Z")
…and another thing…I didn’t post “illegal shit”. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/83 "2001-02-09T15:34:32Z")
KO said: > [@](#): > > I’m not an “idiot”… Opinions vary on that one. > [@](#): > > and I certainly don’t “act like a dolt all the time”. Yeah, he really overstated his case there. I mean, I’m sure it’s no more than 95, 96% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/84 "2001-02-09T15:42:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krispy Original \* > **…and another thing…I didn’t post “illegal shit”.** True. You invited _others_ to do so. My humble apologies. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/85 "2001-02-09T15:46:39Z")
No, I simply asked if there was more than one version of an eye chart. That’s it. Asking this question is in no way any kind of an invitation to others to “break the law”, or post “illegal shit”. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/86 "2001-02-09T15:56:37Z")
Since I’m such an “idiot”, perhaps someone can point out specifically where it is in these 3 posts that I made to that thread that I “invited people to post illegal shit” Post #1, the OP: Is the eye test chart standard, and therefore could you memorize it line by line in order to pass the test? Post #2: You presume correctly galt…hypothetically of course. How many different versions of the chart are there? Post #3: I’m not asking on my behalf…I’ve got 20/20. Someone I know though is getting a license for the first time and has one bad eye and will have to read the chart one eye at a time. …so the question remains…how many versions of the chart exist? Sorry for dragging this out, but I feel that I must defend these wild and baseless accusations against me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/87 "2001-02-09T16:14:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krispy Original \* > Since I’m such an “idiot”, perhaps someone can point out specifically where it is in these 3 posts that I made to that thread that I “invited people to post illegal shit” > Post #1, the OP: > > Is the eye test chart standard, and therefore could you memorize it line by line in order to pass the test? That’s fine. But then, Chronos didn’t close the thread after this post. > [@](#): > > Post #2: > > You presume correctly galt…hypothetically of course. > > How many different versions of the chart are there? Again, Chronos didn’t close the thread after this post. > [@](#): > > Post #3: > I’m not asking on my behalf…I’ve got 20/20. Someone I know though is getting a license for the first time and has one bad eye and will have to read the chart one eye at a time. > > …so the question remains…how many versions of the chart exist? Okay, now look at this. I mean, honestly, Krispy. You’re asking about how many versions there are and how one could memorize the charts because you’ve got a friend who is about to get their liscence. By stating that he has a bad eye, you openly draw the inference that he couldn’t pass the test normally. Therefore, your own words leads anyone reading to assume that you’re trying to help him cheat the test. Bingo, you’re soliciting information to commit a crime, and Chronos appropriately closes the thread. > [@](#): > > Sorry for dragging this out, but I feel that I must defend these wild and baseless accusations against me. No, if you were defending the wild and baseless accusations against you, you’d be stating that **Lexicon** has every right to state that you hide in his closet every night with a butcher knife. You’re trying to defend _yourself__from_ allegations you consider wild and baseless. Though, for wild and baseless allegations, I have yet to see a single other poster state anything other than their belief that Chronos was right in this situation. As a further note- should this thread reach 5 pages, I’ll close it down and start a continuation thread. But I wanted to announce that now rather than have Krispy claim on page 5 that we’re closing the thread to keep him oppressed. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/88 "2001-02-09T16:25:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Therefore, your own words leads anyone reading to assume that you’re trying to help him cheat the test. Bingo, you’re soliciting information to commit a crime, and Chronos appropriately closes the thread. Assumption incorrect. …and still the question remains…where am I “inviting others to post illegal shit”?.. Oh, and great nit-picking on my ommision of the word “from”…maybe I misspelled something to eh?..punctuation?..how about grammatical errors? ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/89 "2001-02-09T16:25:58Z")
I’d also like to add to John’s analysis of post #3 is that your scenario ceased to be hypothetical at that point. There is nothing to indicate that the situation with your friend is hypothetical. That’s where you messed up. We’re not trying to interpret your motives. Had Chronos closed the thread after your first or even your second post then you’d have a case for claiming that. But in your third post you **provide** us with your motive in detail, and that motive is illegal and generally sketchy. You may not like the fact that Chronos closed the thread, but we’ve done it before in similar situations with posters who weren’t you, Krispy, and we’ll probably do it again. You may choose not to believe this Krispy, but it’s nothing personal. It’s strictly business. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/90 "2001-02-09T16:26:30Z")
Illegal shit? Last time I checked, shit was legal. Back to the topic… ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/91 "2001-02-09T16:35:28Z")
What would John Corrado do? yet again, the right thing. BTW, the suggestion about closing the thread is a good onje. I should have put that in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/92 "2001-02-09T16:41:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krispy Original \* > **Oh, and great nit-picking on my ommision of the word “from”…maybe I misspelled something to eh?..punctuation?..how about grammatical errors?** And: > [@](#): > > **…and still the question remains…where am I “inviting others to post illegal shit”?..** I’ll just let the powerful forces of sheer irony do their work here while I laugh my fucking ass off. Krispy, drop it. You’re not convincing anyone here. ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/93 "2001-02-09T16:41:51Z")
In late breaking news today, a local man was arrested at his home on the charges of intent to commit a crime. The suspect was caught asking how many versions of an eye chart existed. During the course of an extensive investigation, police learned that the suspect did in fact know someone with poor vision. Further, the suspect admitting to knowing a vision challenged person who was soon to apply for a drivers license. District Attorney Smith was quoted as saying “We just can’t tolerate these types of thoughts”. “If we were to overlook something like this, who knows where things could lead? Next thing you know, someone might admit to be thinking about jaywalking”. More at 11… ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/94 "2001-02-09T16:49:10Z")
Cite? 😃 I think you’re taking this to personally Krispy. We closed a thread. I don’t think you’ll find too many privately owned message boards that would be too happy about posters requesting assistance to commit a crime, regardless of how harmless you may consider that crime, Krispy. [Edited by Alphagene on 02-09-2001 at 10:53 AM] ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/95 "2001-02-09T16:49:53Z")
Q. what should you do when your carrying a dead horse to a flogging? A. Drop it. thank you! thank you! Take my wife. Please! ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/96 "2001-02-09T16:55:43Z")
Yeepers! I have to come to the defense of **Sue Dunhym** and \*\* Kyberneticist\*\* here. The site to which they linked does _not_ contain instructions on the manufacture of LSD. It does, however contain instructions on extracting LSA from morning glory seeds. LSA is a controlled substance in the United States, illegal to manufacture or possess without the requisite licenses/prescriptions/whatever. As a matter of policy, **Chronos** and I close threads or edit posts in cases where it seems clear that there will be instructions on how to commit an illegal act and that there is a reasonable possibility that a normal person would/could follow those instructions (that proviso is why the atomic bomb threads are allowed to live, for example). So I edited out the links. I’ve done it before, I did it yesterday, and I’ll do it next year, unless or until I receive instructions from **Tuba** or **Ed** that our policy has changed and that “borderline” illegal stuff is OK. But LSA, illegal as it is, is no LSD. I have complete confidence that neither poster would in a million years link to a site with instructions on the manufacture of LSD. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/97 "2001-02-09T17:01:32Z")
LSD? Least Significant Digit? ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/98 "2001-02-09T17:02:26Z")
I’m ready to drop this now. We’ve heard from manny who has corrected Coldfire’s inaccurate statement, and I’m satisfied with the fact that I’ve made it clear that I didn’t “invite others to post illegal shit” and that nobody has proven how I did. This is my last post on these topics. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/99 "2001-02-09T17:11:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > **The thread you linked did, of course, not contain the deleted links anymore. But if these links provided information to extracting LSD from whatever plant it was, manhattan was fully justified in closing it, since LSD is a controlled substance in the United States. What you fail to understand about this, is a mystery to me once more.** > _(underlining added - CF)_ What’s inaccurate about my statement, **Krispy** , knowing that I did not have access to the link at hand? **manhattan** merely corrected the _substance_ he referred to in the relevant thread. Either substance (LSD or LSA) is a controlled one in the US. What’s invalid about my statement? You wouldn’t be, I dunno, trying to get a rise out of me, would you? Have you already forgotten about what I told you regarding making baseless allegations? Scroll up a little. And re-read the part where I say you’re acting like a dolt as well. It applies. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2001, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334/100 "2001-02-09T20:36:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > …if we all went down **Shayna** ’s route of slapping orders on eachother preventing people from addressing us… Once again you have misconstrued not only my words but the intent of my post to **Cartooniverse**. Nowhere did I “slap orders on him,” I merely **requested** that he refrain from addressing me further. Of course he is under no obligation to heed my **request** , but I let him know that if he didn’t **I would consider it harrassment** and would therefore let his ISP know that he was in violation of his TOS. > [@](#): > > I just have a vision in my mind of a future in which every poster has to keep a list by his or her computer of all the posters they are not allowed to address, on pain of being reported for harassment. I can see **oldscratch** , for example, thinking “Hmm. I really want to refute **Nacho4Sara’s** points in this measured political debate, but I can’t since that would result in my ISP suspending my services.” Meanwhile **N4S** didn’t really get across the full thrust of her argument anyway since she couldn’t fully respond to **Upham’s** points for the same reason. **Upham** himself on the other hand wasn’t allowed to respond to any of the previous posts, so his argument was a bit incongruous and bitty, attempting to address some points whilst carefully skating the fine line of not actually mentioning the specific points he is addressing. > > Your disagreement with cartooniverse, as I acknowledged, isn’t my business. A board that goes in the above direction however would be, and would be more than a little unfortunate. What you fail to grasp here, **kabbes** , is that **everyone** is **always OBLIGATED** to abide by their ISP’s TOS wherever they go and whatever they do on the internet, **without regard to whether someone “warns” them that they could be in violation of said terms.** Therefore, depending on how one conducts themselves when participating in a forum such as this, one is **always** “on pain of being reported for harassment” by anyone at any time, request to stop or not. That makes my **request** to **Cartooniverse** completely irrelevant to whether the “board goes in [that] direction.” It’s already there, like it or not, and you agreed to understand those rules when you signed up with your ISP (as did every other participant here). And the little scenario you outlined above borders on the ridiculous as far as examples of this goes - at least as it compares to my encounter with **Cartooniverse**. Heated debates are not, in and of themselves, harrassing and do not constitute violations of any ISPs TOS that I’m aware of. I’ve participated in quite a few on these boards and will probably stick my two cents into some more. Name-calling in the 'Pit kindof goes with the territory, _if_ it’s warranted in some way. However, **Cartooniverse** was _not_ debating with me. As he posted each subsequent reply, I could _feel_ him becoming more and more **angry** and this uncontrolled **anger** seemed to me to be **escalating** in a direction that I was not comfortable with. I could practically _see_ him sitting there shaking voilently, ready to punch his fist through the monitor at me, **for no reason whatsoever**. > [@](#): > > …I will ask though if, in retrospect, it was really necessary? (Invoke slippery slope argument here). It’s really not up to you to question whether or not **I** felt it necessary to get what I viewed as a rabid dog off my ass. Obviously I _did_ think it was necessary at the time or I wouldn’t have done it. I was merely **paying attention to the warning signs** that an **unprovoked attack** seemed iminent and taking steps to ensure I would not be **bitten.** I really, really hope we’re clear on all of this now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderator-actions-come-one-come-all/53334.md?page=6)