Moderator behaviour (not by a newbie)

OK, there are several parts to the question as I see it. I shall take each in turn.

  1. Did grienspace deserve a slap upside the head?

Yes. He had been on a “mod-kick” for a while, complaining when his moderator thread in MPSIMS caught heat for being in the wrong forum, and repeating the complaint elsewhere. Add that to his admission that he was trolling, and this is pretty clearly a guy who didn’t care for our rules and needed to be reminded in no uncertain terms that intentionally mis-posting a thread is a bunch of work we just don’t need and an insult to every other member of the boards. When he responded to the question “what is the point of your question” with that “what if Hitler’s mom had an abortion” stuff and started ruminating about how history would have been different if the entire rest of the universe didn’t exist, it became clear to me that this was yet another instance of him not caring whether he followed our rules.
2) Did I slap him too hard?

Yeah, probably. I intended to slap him pretty good, but the reaction here seems to indicate that I might have thrown a punch, not a slap. ::shrug:: All I can do is the best I can. I didn’t come down hard enough on dippymonger, and now some huge portion of the continent of Australia is unable to post to the boards until we track that guy down and get him tossed from his ISP. We didn’t slap Jack Dean Tyler hard enough and got an emailed virus for our trouble. We’re all just doing our best here, and sometimes we do too little or not enough. I can’t promise perfection, just my best.
3) Did I threaten his wife’s internet access?

On this one I plead not guilty. When I sent the email to him, I simply picked up an old email he had previously sent to my moderator account and hit “reply.” If he is using his wife’s email account without her knowledge or permission, I suggest that perhaps the problem, if any, lies beyond the scope of this board.
4) Should I tone it down somewhat in GQ?

Actually, yes I should, at least sometimes. Most of my admonitions are pretty mild, but from time to time I come down on somebody pretty hard. When I do that, there is a specific reason. The two most common reasons are because the infraction is particularly grievous or because the offender is repeating something for which s/he has been warned before. I’ve lowered the threshold recently at which I come down hard, simply because the increased traffic in GQ means that an improperly placed thread drops a legitimate GQ thread off the front page (in under two hours during peak periods), harming our good members. The simple fact is that the forum can no longer afford intentional repeat offenders.

Unfortunately, what I sometimes forget is that the target of my admonition and I are not the only people reading my post. In the future, I should either tone down my remarks or make specific reference to the reason I am coming down so hard in a particular case.

Well let me say that I find Manny’s response completely reasonable. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

That shows class, manny.

And the vast majority of this board knows that’s what you and all the other mod.'s give all the time.

manhattan you’ve gone up another notch in my book with that post.

Good post, Manny.

Seriously. Good points. Everyone.

I may not always agree with the mods, but I do respect them. That’s different from bitching them out.

It’s nice to see the Mods ARE human, not gods.

Excellent post, manhattan. As someone who spends 99% of their board time in GQ, I very much appreciate the effort to keep non-GQ threads from pushing real questions off the front page. In fact, I’d be in favor of more threads being moved out of GQ and into IMHO or MPSIMS!

Anyway, thanks for keeping GQ clean :slight_smile:

Arjuna34

:::stares in drop-jawed amazement, looking like a beached carp:::

You mean there was a chance people would have believed that and we just blew the whole scam!?

Know all that stuff said before? Lies, pitiful lies, I tell you! Ignore Manny; he’s New York, he’s Wall Street, he’s stressed and obviously hysterical. He probably tucked into some bad cappucino. Coldy? Give me a break! He’s Amsterdam, he’s high finance, he’s stressed and probably got into some bad weed.

Really! It was all a joke! And ignore that woman behind the curtain…

Frantically trying to re-claim Oz-ish mystique,
Veb
P.S. The above post was intended with tongue so far in cheek I look like a chipmunk with mumps. FWIW, this thread encouraged me a lot that reasonable, rational discussions are possible about “board stuff”. A most sincere, respectful tip 'o the hat to all participants.

Thanks, Veb. FWIW, I don’t think you should tip your hat toe all the participants. There were a few replies that cannot bear the dignity of a response. But in any case, it does seem as though a good time was had by all.

Can we move this thread to IMHO?

What? Oh, yeah. That whole “comments on administration” thing…

Nevermind.

Seriously though, it was interesting to see the range of comments here and the general agreement, couched so differently depending who you asked.

I’m sorry, i would have been earlier but i’ve only just noticed that i’d been dredged up (i think this is going to replace the “oldscratch thinks i’m funny” line in my sig)

Anyway, i wrote a big ol’ honkin thing, all very self important and what not, but there’s really not much i can say that hasn’t been said already (and my computer ate it, so i’m stuck with this dinky little thing). All i really can say is it’s nice to see people have sort of settled this out. And i was damn impressed with Manny’s post of a while back, it pretty well cleared up the whole mess in exactly the way a mod should, in my opinion.

We all know what it’s like to be new, we all know what it’s like to deal with a jack ass.

Now we know what it’s like to deal with a new jackass.

Anyway, i’m going to bed cause i’m fuckin tired. Dredge not, lest ye be dredged.
Upham

COldfire:

I think that I made it abundantly clear that I was using the word “right” in the same way that “priviledge” was being used. The word “right” can refer to more than just the contents of the Geneva COnvention. I don’t know where this idea that the set of “rights” and the set of “privlidges” are well defined and distinct came from.

Threatening someone for expressing unpopular position on race is not silencing dissent?

Classy post, manny.

Only the terminally stupid would expect perfection. Considering the shit you guys have to put up with, the wonder is that you don’t blow your tops more often.

So what’s the problem?

<<<MysterEcks leaves in a hurry>>>

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harsher punishment only resolves in greater retribution!
has history tought us nothing?

bj0rn - …

Bad weed?
Right. In Amsterdam, there is no bad weed, Vebbie. We export all that crap to the US, ya know :wink:

I’ll tell you what: we’ll chalk it up to my poor knowledge of the English language. There I was, thinking that rights and privileges are per definition different things. How sadly I was mistaken!

…so who’s playing semantics games here?

Confused,
Coldfire

If Griennie broke a rule or pissed in the wrong mods coffee then it’s the mods and his/her business to sort it out. The only problem I have with it is that the mod chose to aire it in public and sling a threat and an insult along with it. Thats kinda’ a punk move. You want to shut someone down thne shut them down, but you call someone out in public like that when you have all the power you are just boosting your own ego.

Maybe Hatty was in the zone on calling dude’s ISP for all we know he could be spoofing or mailbombing or whatever nastiness but telling him he was going to jack him up in a public arena was a show of muscle for us on the sidelines. You mods allready talked about doing all the other shit in private E-Mails so what other purpose could there other than showing your power when you shut someone down and then get the last work in?

I say if Grien was Mr.Bad Guy then call his fuckin’ ISP and have them pull his ticket, or shut the fuck up about it. If he is bad enough to be yanked he should be yanked, if he is not bad enough to be yanked then don’t play your drama out in public because you just look like a fuckin’ punk trying to show out for the crowd.

oh and before you mods get around to it, of course I’m wrong and there was a lot of shit going on that we didn’t see, yaddah yaddah yaddah. Not that that has one whit to do with what I just said but I’m sure it’s all applicable.

Any of you current or former law enforcement types can recognize a blue wall happening when one mod trips on his dick, gets called on it and all the other mods-types come in to cover? This thread would have been forgettne in about two hours is someone had shown up and said “yeah, I kinda’ overstated something in public that should have remained private. You know it gets frustrating dealing with about a million things at once and sometimes it just does not seem like some people are listening. you know?” and every person in here who talked shit about a mod (including me) would have been thinking “hey, no sweat. Who dosen’t stick his foot in it once and a while? No prob dude.”.

it obviously takes me too long to finish writing and hit “post”.

Good nuf’ Manhattan. But I still think this shit should be kept private.

The rest of you mods shoulda’ fucken let Manhattan say his bit before getting involved. It may have still gotten hot in here but some of the crap you guys sling in defence of your decisions reeks like ripe monkey shit.

Names, zen101. Vague empty assertions won’t win us the war, ya know.

Coldfire have I ever pretended to thing you were anything other than an asshole? I may agree with you from time to time and I let it be known if I do otherwise when I’m talking shit about “mods” in general and you have a moment of self doubt you can just chuck your name in there on GP. k? As for my statement about “mods jumping in prior to Manhattan saying his bit” well that should be pretty obvious to you. You piped in prior to that didn’t ya? Threw up the vague and empty line about goings on behind the scenes of which us mortals be unaware didn’t ya? If you ask me what 1 and 1 equals do I need to show you the work or can you get it on your own? Are you prone to bouts of forgetting the contents of your own posts and I need to go over it slowly?

Here is the limbo pole you tell me if you fit in under the bar: You are a mod. You posted your defence of Hatty’s actions before he even poseted his own accounting of it. You post generalized reasons which may or may not have anything to do with the specific OP here but all serve to justify any actions a mod takes because they are so vague.

If that smells like you the it is you and anyone else who fits under the bar. Don’t bait me coldy I’m almost off work and I can’t get stuck here responding to you all morning. This ain’t a debate, you know my opinion and I know yours.

Hey zen101 why don’t you stop pissing around the subject and tell us how you really feel. All this wishy-washy stuff is starting to get on my tits.