# Moderators seem biased \[Moved to the Pit for continued inter-poster bickering\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820 "2010-06-03T19:30:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/61 "2010-06-04T06:33:36Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > See, now you guys are starting up _the same damn arguments all over again_ in this thread that you were complaining about in the other - and it’s not **Finn** ’s fault - he’s responding to you! 😃 > > For people who claim not to like **Finn** ’s style of argument, you people sure have a wierd way of showing it. There isn’t an ignore button next to Finn’s name. I swear Finn is driving further and further away from even wanting to understand Israel’s point of view. With Friends like Finn, Israel doesn’t need any enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/62 "2010-06-04T06:38:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Interestingly enough, when I responded in context to your claims about Lebanon the absolute entirety of Lebanon being flattened, you insist on taking my remarks totally literally. But your remarks are obviously not to be taken literally. He was pointing out your hypocrisy. > [@](#): > > That’s part of the problem with using bombast to sell a rhetorical point. You could have engaged in a measured discussion about the actual bombing campaign, how much damage it did and how many buildings were estimated to be hit. He wasn’t making a rhetorical point. He was stating how he used to support Israel and how he changed his mind when Israel “flattened” lebanon, it was not germane to the discussion but that is what you focused on. > [@](#): > > I also pointed out that, in context, I’d been responding to your claim and my comment about the North not being touched was a comment about it not being touched by the kind of bombing your were alleging. Thats not what you originally said and if you expect a chance to clarify yourself, why do you think Capt does not deserve a chance to clarify himself? Which is all besides the point that you latched on to an irrelevant detail because you saw an opportunity to impeach Capt on some irrelevant point and then use that overstatement to impeach his credibility in other areas. I saw you do the exact same thing with me when I was off by a day on when the invasion of Israel occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/63 "2010-06-04T06:44:12Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > That’s a blanket statement. It does not become a non-blanket because you meant to imply “is not the occupying power in Gaza” rather than “is not an occupying power”. We were talking about Gaza neh? If I said that Israel was blockading the Palestinians, do I really NEED to say “in gaza” Can’t you figure that much out for yourself? > [@](#): > > No, you don’t. But if you make a claim that Israel says it is not an “occupying power” when, in fact, Israel says it _is_ an occupying power but that it is not occupying _Gaza_ then that can be pointed out. As I brought to your attention, an occupying power is an occupying power as long as they occupy _something_, even if they don’t occupy the territory in question. When you are discussing Israel’s obligations to Gaza (which turns on whether or not Israel is occupying gaza), how the hell does it make sense to quibble about Israel’s status as an occupier in the West bank? You seem too smart to be this obtuse which leads me to think you are doing it intentionally. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/64 "2010-06-04T06:49:49Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I know from my own perspective that some of what I think of as knee jerk opposition to anything Israeli sets my teeth on edge I don’t think I used to be a knee-jerk Israel criticiser but Finn is quickly turning me into one. I don’t sepdn time slowly digesting new facts into my gestalt of what is going on in the middle east, instead I find myself trying to fifure out how new facts can be incorporated into a narrative against Israel and I have to make a conscious effort to retain objectivity and that really bothers me. I don’t think this was the case before I encountered Finn. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/65 "2010-06-04T06:58:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s the same way we moderate everyone. Why does Capt. get moderated right along with Finn when it is clear that Finn is the one that keep dragging these things out? I don’t get into these pissing matches with Malthus or Alessan, I don’t think I’ve seen either Capt or Amanta get into these pissing matches eith anyone other than Finn either. At some point don’t you have to ask yourself if maybe the commonality isn’t the topic but the common participant and just tell THAT participant to knock it off? > [@](#): > > The mods and any number of posters - including a few in the current thread - have tried to tell **FinnAgain** that some of his tactics are counterproductive. Counterproductive is putting is very mildly. > [@](#): > > Your comment about **FinnAgain** “precipitating all shitstorms” suggests we should deal harshly with **FinnAgain** because other posters just can’t help themselves when he’s around, they just have to cross the line and insult him. That’s not a reasonable attitude, and it borders on excuse-making. When he is the common element of all these shitstorms, doesn’t it graduate from excuse-making to something more? > [@](#): > > His complaints about bias and lies on the part of other posters are overblown in my opinion, but fairness requires me to point out they are not totally invented. But why do you let him imply that people liars and anti-semites? > [@](#): > > He defends Israel a lot, and more so than I would do personally, but he does not do it unfailingly, uncritically, or unthinkingly. I don’t think he’s mindless or stupid. I think he uses some cheap tactics to score peripheral points in arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/66 "2010-06-04T07:01:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You’re claiming that your argument based on an admittedly exaggerated and thus not strictly-factual claim about the actions of Israel wasn’t a “rhetorical point” and discussing your reasons for a conclusion, in \* Great Debates\*, wasn’t in the _context of debate_. That’s right because he wasn’t trying to make a point by saying that Israel flattened Lebanon. He was prefacing his arguments about the flotilla and the blockade by explaining that he used to support Israel but now he doesn’t ever since Israel “flattened” Lebanon. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/67 "2010-06-04T07:03:38Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > To be fair, it was fairly clear that the OP was “playing catch-up” by responding as he(?) read **and had not yet read the warnings** about continuing the Lebanon hijack when he did just that. This point was acknowledged by the mods as the reason **why** no severe action was taken against him, and it seems reasonable. Damuri isn’t a guy’s name where you come from? Noone is a girl’s name here (try to pronounce noone like you are trying to say naomi) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/68 "2010-06-04T07:08:24Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > Starvation is a such a loaded term to use. It exaggerated the situation, sensationalized it. It was used to create an emotional response. Yes that’s true just like saying “You are denying that Israel has a right to defend itself” is kind of a loaded statement. Amanta has walked back from “starvation” I have yet to see Finn not try to rationalize some way to avoid saying he was wrong about something unless faced with incontrovertible fact. > [@](#): > > FinnAgain made more sense to me during this conversation arc because he wasn’t using such loaded words. But its ok for him to go around distorting what people said and picking on irrelevant shit to impeach credibility? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/69 "2010-06-04T07:09:55Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ahhh, the oft-heard Liberal’s Lament. > Of course, during the Bush years I was accused of being an anti-American traitor due to my opposition to the US policy on torture and such. > It’s interesting that whether I’m a “conservative” or a “traitorous Liberal” or a “neocon” or whatever depends on whether or not I agree with someone on a specific subject. Does it seem like the whole world hates you? Well, its not because you are Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/70 "2010-06-04T07:28:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > That’s the nicest compliment I think I’ve ever been paid on the Dope. It wasn’t meant as a compliment. > [@](#): > > Anyways, your characterization of the intial stages of the discussion is inaccurate, but I’ve already pointed out why. Not really. > [@](#): > > This second bit displays that you are using the exact same error, again. … OK fine you didn’t call them anti-semites you said the map wasn’t reliable because the map was drawn by people who called Israel occupied Palestine, but its not the point. You were saying the map is unreliable not because you could prove anything is wrong with the map but because of who drew the map. Why does it matter if you said it was because they were anti-semites of because they were hamas sympathizers, the point is you were impeaching the veracity of the map based on who drew it. > [@](#): > > I pointed out that absent reliable confirmation, the map should not be taken as accurate. And I pointed out that the map is on wikipedia and has been on wikipedia since the war. On hot topics, false information does not survive on wikipedia very long. > [@](#): > > I never, ever, ever claimed that it was inaccurate. You cannot quote me saying that, because it is not true. then WTF is the problem. You were wrong when you said that North Lebanon wasn’t touched and your hypocrisy in criticizing Capt is revealed. Now we can move on. [/quote] Now, under your own standards, you deserve moderator action. [/quote] I don’t think you understand your problem. > [@](#): > > Likewise, this is a very strange error that is based on nothing that I ever said, anywhere, at all. You cannot cite or quote me saying that, because it’s not real. OK then why is it NOT ad hominem to impeach the veracity of the map based on who drew it? > [@](#): > > Captain opens up the war in Lebanon for debate by using dramatic exaggerations to prop up his rhetoric. What rhetoric was he propping up? {quote]“Israel should drop the blockade” = “Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself” [/quote] spare me from your victimization complex. > [@](#): > > I’ve explained what I believed I was responding to in context, and that I was stating that the north was not touched by the type of bombardment which really some areas to rubble. You’re quibbling about what I meant, do your own standards apply to your own arguments? No because in this case i am employing your tactics against you to show you your own hypocrisy. > [@](#): > > Likewise, this too is incorrect, do you require moderator action? I was off by one day. I guess at the time i didn’t realize that I couldn’t make these sort of footfaults around you because you would beat me over the head with them. If your picayune nitpicking was relevant then that would be one thing but too often it is not. > [@](#): > > If a clear factual refutation does not have the power to alter your argument, expect me to bring it up. How would my argument have been altered by the difference of that one day? ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/71 "2010-06-04T07:50:24Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Damuri isn’t a guy’s name where you come from? > > Noone is a girl’s name here (try to pronounce noone like you are trying to say naomi) Actually, I’ve never heard the name before. Yes, it sounded like a guy, but I wasn’t sure. The questions mark wasn’t intended as some kind of subtle “remark on your manhood” or something – on the contrary, it was merely me guessing at your gender, and leaving the possibility open that I was wrong. If I came over as belittling or insulting, I obviously didn’t write clearly enough; that was not my intention; and I apologize. And yes, I’ve been assumed to be female now and then on the boards 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/72 "2010-06-04T08:05:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why does Capt. get moderated right along with Finn when it is clear that Finn is the one that keep dragging these things out? Because Capt. was also dragging it out. At any point, either could have simply walked away from the pissing contest, (with or without some final dismissive comment), and let the actual thread go on without further interruption. That, by the way, was why we Mods called you out. Not for taking one side or another in the pissing contest, but for wandering through a multiple page thread, responding to every post that caught your eye, without reading to the end to see which issues might have already been resolved and which issues had already received Moderator action. I don’t care which side of the fight you are on, but when I have posted that a hijack has to be taken to another thread and you come in pages later and restart the hijack after my post and then post a couple of more times after I have addressed _you_ directly, (because you cannot take the time to see how the thread has progressed before you add your opinions), then you are asking for a more personal response from the staff. In general, we do not get involved with the sort of semantic nitpicking that Finn enjoys (or feels compelled to post). If you read a lot of ATMB threads about Mod actions, they often are based on reactions against too much Mod involvement. Some portion of the SDMB population would prefer that Mods never intervene in threads except to halt egregious rule violations. In this case, we did intervene, but only because the pissing contest was driving a multi-page thread even longer to no purpose. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/73 "2010-06-04T08:06:59Z")
> [@Noone\_Special](#): > > And yes, I’ve been assumed to be female now and then on the boards 🙂 I’ve always figured you just dropped your first name, Peter. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/74 "2010-06-04T08:12:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have yet to see Finn not try to rationalize some way to avoid saying he was wrong about something unless faced with incontrovertible fact. Zounds! I have the audacity to disagree with you unless I’m proven wrong? Obviously, the mods must do something. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t sepdn time slowly digesting new facts into my gestalt of what is going on in the middle east, instead I find myself trying to fifure out how new facts can be incorporated into a narrative against Israel You just made the “good faith” argument that when I pointed out that you were engaging in exactly that behavior, that you had a conclusion and you were working backwards from the conclusion to try to find facts that would support it… that I was wrongly suggesting that you had an agenda, and I must have been suggesting that it was anti-Semitisic. \*\*_And all along you knew I was right._ \*\* Weak. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No because my engaging in the tactics you use is an attempt to show you your own hypocrisy. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > No because in this case i am employing your tactics against you to show you your own hypocrisy. Interesting. So you think the tactics that I allegedly use are bad, and you don’t agree with them, and in fact you think that they’re so bad that the moderators should step in… but you use them in any case because you want to ‘give me a taste of my own medicine’. They’re bad enough that they warrant moderator action, but it’s okay when you use them deliberately. Hrmmmmmm… quite interesting given your admission above. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I saw you do the exact same thing with me when I was off by a day on when the invasion of Israel occurred. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I was off by a day. You went on for pages about how that lack of knowledge of basic facts makes everything I say suspect. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I was off by one day. […] > How would my argument have been altered by the difference of that one day? Yes, again you prove my point. You were not off by a day. I did not point out that you were off by a day. I pointed out that you were off by _months_. I did so again in this very thread. And yet even now your argument remains unchanged. No shit I pointed that out. No shit the fact that you continually get the basic timeline incorrect, especially while repeatedly claiming that timeline proves your point, is evidence of the quality of your argument. The fact is that, even now, you seemingly are _still repeating the same error_. And you claim that _I_ am debating in bad-faith, because I’m honestly disagreeing with you and other people in a manner that you don’t like. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Capt. was explaining why he no longer supported Israel and you picked up on a rhetorical flourish in the explanation (which had NOTHING) to do with the flotilla) and commenced to beat the crap out of it and not let it go. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why does Capt. get moderated right along with Finn when it is clear that Finn is the one that keep dragging these things out? Again you display your very odd double standards. Captain brought something up and I responded. Who was at fault? Me. Then Captain responded to what I’d said. Who was at fault? Me. Then Captain and I each responded to the other for a while. Who was at fault? Me. Obviously this is a good-faith argument about how very disruptive I am. Obviously. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You were wrong when you said that North Lebanon wasn’t touched Yet another one of your good-faith arguments? I have pointed out to you, many times, that I was responding in-context to what I saw as Captain’s claims about the whole of Lebanon being reduced to rubble, and pointed out that the bombing campaigns that really had reduced parts of the south to rubble had not touched the north. Yes, he later claimed that he’d really meant that “flattened” just meant to be hit with a bomb. But then he talked about various zones being “completely flattened”, which would be impossible if he was actually using it to mean “hit by a bomb.” It’s a bit like virginity, actually. There is no point to saying “She is completely not a virgin!” because it means the same thing as “she is not a virgin.” But Captain directly contrasted something being “completely flattened” with something else only being partially “flattened”. To say nothing (well, actually to yet again repeat a dynamic that you’re still ignoring) the fact that Captain’s own metric should have mean that he’d say that Hezbollah “flattened absolutely all of Israel within range!”. But of course he didn’t say that. Yes yes, “But Captain clarified that he wasn’t claiming that the South was completely reduced to rubble. What’s that? Later on he did indeed say that the south was completely obliterated? You should be Warned for talking about this for so long!” ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/75 "2010-06-04T08:30:51Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I’ve always figured you just dropped your first name, Peter. How **dare** you insinuate that I am British! :mad: For shame, sir, for shame! 😃 (FTR, nothing against real Brits. Would have done the same for any other nationality!) ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/76 "2010-06-04T09:25:08Z")
**Damuri** , I got warned for a post that went too far in attacking **FinnAgain** personally. I can’t claim to be shocked that I got a warning; it was I who reported the post after I realised it was too late to edit it. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Captain made up a definition of the ad hominem whereby pointing out that a source isn’t credible and their mere say-so isn’t proof without confirmation is a fallacy. Dismissing what a source states because _you_ don’t think it’s credible is a fallacy (notice the italicisation of the important part: _you_ don’t get to unilaterally declare what cites are credible or not). Let’s make a familiar analogy: dismissing tobacco company funded reports on the carcinogenic effects of tobacco because of who funded them is a fallacy. Those reports aren’t incorrect because big tobacco funded them, they’re incorrect because they play fast and loose with the facts and engage in shockingly bad science. For instance, here’s a [textbook](http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html) definition of an _ad hominem_ fallacy: > [@](#): > > the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of _trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument_. (Italicisation mine.) Now has it clicked in your head what point I was advancing in accusing you of making an _ad hominem_ attack? This was, again, the point I was getting at. You want to unilaterally declare cites as biased and therefore _ipso facto_ worthless, whilst at the same time relying on cites from the Israeli press to make your own points (when in fact you do bother to cite your own claims, I note with some amusement you still haven’t been able to dig up a cite demonstrating that the Hezbollah spokesman stated what you claimed he did, that isn’t ultimately from an Israeli source). _In this debate, there are no unbiased cites_. However, what’s even stranger is your schizophrenic approach to the map. The map was produced to show, excuse me, that you were full of shit when you claimed only a portion of Lebanon had been affected by the Israeli bombardment. Belatedly, you accepted, that in fact, the north of Lebanon had been bombed. Therein, the origin of the map is a complete diversion. It was sufficient for me to bring up a single instance of bombing in northern Lebanon to demonstrate what you claimed was false. The map, thankfully, led me to search for “bombing, Israel, Tripoli” in Google, which pointed me to a Fox news report detailing Israel taking out the bridges in Tripoli with an airstrike. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/77 "2010-06-04T09:56:25Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > When the 2008 verdict was brought up, I immediately responded and admitted that I’d been unaware of it. (Although not before Amanset waited a whole 32 minutes after his post, when I hadn’t responded to anybody in the thread, to demand that I respond and talk about how they were all “waiting for me” to get back to him.) Two things: 1. It was 92 minutes. I posted about the decision at 5:25pm and my next post in the thread was at 6:24pm (Swedish time). I first mentioned waiting for your answer at 6:57pm [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12525998&postcount=641](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12525998&postcount=641) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12526523&postcount=650](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12526523&postcount=650) 2. You posted in the thread between those two posts at 5:43pm, 77 minutes before I inquired as to wether you were going to reply: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12526091&postcount=645](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12526091&postcount=645) Again, facts are clearly not FinnAgain’s strong point. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > He then brought it up, I think, close to have a dozen times in two or three other posts, up to the point where he claimed that my being unaware of the 2008 verdict meant I was totally unaware of the basics of the situation. Except while he, himself had been unaware of the verdict until about 1 hour before I was, that he wasn’t going to claim that he was totally unaware about the basic facts of the matter. The difference being, as I have said several times, is that I researched the answer before making any statements regarding it. You didn’t. Now he’s bringing it up again. It seems that pointing out the one factual error he’s found from me, that I immediately agreed was an error and retracted, is a very big deal. 🆒 > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Exactly, so should you be moderated? As I have said already, I have made no comment on moderation. I have merely responded to specific points brought up in this thread about other things. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > You were ignorant of the exact same issue, and yet you claimed that it only made me totally unaware of the basic facts while you, being unaware of the very same ruling, hadn’t been totally unaware of the basic facts. Again, I researched the exact answer instead of just making wild claims without the relevant knowledge. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > Should the moderators have Warned you for that? See above. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > That’s a blanket statement. It does not become a non-blanket because you meant to imply “is not the occupying power in Gaza” rather than “is not an occupying power”. Should you be Warned for this too? > > No, you don’t. But if you make a claim that Israel says it is not an “occupying power” when, in fact, Israel says it _is_ an occupying power but that it is not occupying _Gaza_ then that can be pointed out. As I brought to your attention, an occupying power is an occupying power as long as they occupy _something_, even if they don’t occupy the territory in question. No it isn’t. I’ve explained to you why it isn’t. I’ve given you another example showing why it isn’t. Regarding warning, see above. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/78 "2010-06-04T10:05:10Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > In my experience the only problems **FinnAgain** creates are for people who find it unpleasant to have their high-flown and heated rhetoric undermined by bothersome facts. > > Long may he continue to create such problems. Except with me FinnAgain’s “facts” appear to be “fictions”. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/79 "2010-06-04T10:07:35Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > Your example here kind of highlights why I have trouble following your side of the argument (but really, the fault could be on my end.) > > It wasn’t, from my point of view, the definition of ‘starve’ that was the issue. > > Starvation is a such a loaded term to use. It exaggerated the situation, sensationalized it. It was used to create an emotional response. In my defence I moved to discussing malnutrition when it became clear that FinnAgain wasn’t going to accept the dictionary definition of starve. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moderators-seem-biased-moved-to-the-pit-for-continued-inter-poster-bickering/541820/80 "2010-06-04T10:09:46Z")
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