# Modern Family 12/7 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456 "2011-12-08T02:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/21 "2011-12-09T00:47:44Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Ok seriously I thought it was funny. Phil naming the reindeer, the Target prank and holy hell that girl is 22?!? Finally I can not feel creepy having a crush on her. Sorry, apparently I was mistaken, she is actually only 21, not 22 as I thought. Still, she could easily pass for 16 or 17 if she wanted to… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/22 "2011-12-09T03:47:41Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Still, she could easily pass for 16 or 17 if she wanted to… Partly because she’s so short. Claire towers over her. I was never a big fan of Shelley Long on _Cheers_ or anything else but I like her as Mitch and Claire’s mom; she’s basically Diane in full manic episode. I was actually hoping she’d have a cameo on the video chat at the end. Loved Claire’s two “Your entire life has been leading up to this moment…” scenes and Haley’s “No!.. this way…” as she turned off her sensors and used the Force to find gifts. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/23 "2011-12-09T12:50:55Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > I couldn’t watch past the opening scenes. I like Modern Family over-all, but I dislike the scenes where they are all together, and speaking rapid fire in turn. It feels extremely constructed to me, and I couldn’t get past it. I dislike the scenes where they’re all supposed to act frivolous, like the final scene in the snow. They had a similar scene in the Thanksgiving episode, where the entire family was chunking pumpkins, and it all feels very phony to me. That said, I liked the episode overall. Some LOL moments. Loved that Jay brought the snow in. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/24 "2011-12-09T13:02:53Z")
Every once in a while we get to see that Jay is a good man. BUT- anyone selling a valuable vintage autographed baseball card would have it in an protective case. Almost took me out of the story. (Good to see the Return of the Dog Butler.) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/25 "2011-12-09T13:06:59Z")
I don’t know what you mean. He’s always a good man. I didn’t catch whose card it was. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/26 "2011-12-09T13:10:38Z")
_“I have two daddies.”_ and Manny’s identification with the Butterball were hilarious. _“45 seconds?”_ ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/27 "2011-12-09T13:15:06Z")
Cute episode — I loved all of Hailey’s scenes in the Target, and the Gloria/Look interaction. I still miss flat-affect-baby but Lily’s inopportune “I have two daddies!” was just too cute. Two things I didn’t like: I’ve been hit with a stun gun (okay, I hit myself while playing with it, shut up) about as briefly as Phil, and his reaction was so over-the-top as to be unbelievably stupid. And when exactly did the fake snow guy start spraying everything? Phil and Manny only walked through the door like three minutes prior. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/28 "2011-12-09T13:17:28Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > \*“I have two daddies.” “She gets it” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/29 "2011-12-09T13:19:07Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I’ve been hit with a stun gun (okay, I hit myself while playing with it, shut up) about as briefly as Phil, and his reaction was so over-the-top as to be unbelievably stupid. People have different reactions to it. Phil’s wasn’t as extreme as dying, which occasionally happens. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/30 "2011-12-09T13:22:54Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I didn’t catch whose card it was. The guy selling it called it out as he walked up and Phil said “No, but I get that a lot.” I’m trying to remember… DiMaggio perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/31 "2011-12-09T14:20:30Z")
We replayed the “On Dasher! On Dancer! On Prancer! On Vixen! Hey, that really worked out!” bit a couple times, but on the 1st replay we caught the look that Jay gives Phil at the end, which we missed the first time since we were laughing so hard. The look was the perfect capper to the whole sequence. And I can’t help wondering how Haley convinced the guy to give her his Target uniform. Ok, she probably just asked, but I like wondering about it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/32 "2011-12-09T15:05:59Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t know what you mean. He’s always a good man. > > I didn’t catch whose card it was. I agree. Jay is a good man. He doesn’t put up with crap, and won’t play along with anyone else to spare their feelings, but he’s a good man. “From the look of those stains, you’re the Christmas sweater.” It was a signed Joe Dimaggio card (as stated by Phil when he was telling Manny how craigslist works). It absolutely should have been in a hard plastic case. Without some kind of certification it’s probably worth less than a plain card. Phil did knock one out of the park with the gas station dog antlers. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/33 "2011-12-09T15:06:24Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > The guy selling it called it out as he walked up and Phil said “No, but I get that a lot.” I’m trying to remember… DiMaggio perhaps? It was Joe DiMaggio. No question. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/34 "2011-12-09T15:07:42Z")
“Let it scab, Jay…let it scab…” ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/35 "2011-12-09T16:46:25Z")
Jay’s very much a good man, and he never seems otherwise to me. He’s gruff, sure, but his sons-in-law\* are both so clingy and emotional it’s hard not to sympathize with his reactions. (Actually, did this seem a little out of character for Cam? I don’t recall him having such an attachment to Jay before.) [sub]\* I began thinking of a way to rephrase that, but screw it, I’m just gonna call Cam his son-in-law.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/36 "2011-12-09T16:47:43Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Jay’s very much a good man, and he never seems otherwise to me. He’s gruff, sure, but his sons-in-law\* are both so clingy and emotional it’s hard not to sympathize with his reactions. (Actually, did this seem a little out of character for Cam? I don’t recall him having such an attachment to Jay before.) > > [sub]\* I began thinking of a way to rephrase that, but screw it, I’m just gonna call Cam his son-in-law.[/sub] I wonder if Mitch and Cam are married. If not, that could be a great episode. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/37 "2011-12-09T17:18:11Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder if Mitch and Cam are married. If not, that could be a great episode. They always refer to each other as “partner” or “boyfriend”. California had a very small window for legal gay marriage; they must have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/38 "2011-12-09T18:29:21Z")
You are all correct. “Good” is not the best word, but it was faster to write than “we see what Gloria sees in him.” ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/39 "2011-12-09T19:31:53Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > “She gets it” I thought it was “He gets it” - as in, the tree guy gets it. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456/40 "2011-12-09T19:42:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder if Mitch and Cam are married. If not, that could be a great episode. Jay actually referred to Cam as “my son’s boyfriend” this episode, and I found it kind of jarring. Maybe not Mitchell so much, but Cam strikes me as the marrying type. Even if it’s not legal, many gays go ahead and have the ceremonies and use the titles and whatnot after a certain point. At least the ones I know do, am I nuts? Anyway, I just think it’s a bit odd that with one child and another in the planning, they’re not more formal about it. “Partner” is better, but “boyfriend” has always sounded temporary to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-family-12-7/605456.md?page=3)