# Modern video games with lasting impact **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 23, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-video-games-with-lasting-impact/746890 "2016-02-23T16:52:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-video-games-with-lasting-impact/746890/41 "2016-03-01T15:40:08Z")
> [@Miltonyz](#): > > Dota is much older than LOL. It started as a Watercraft 3 mod. Dota2 is essentially a graphical and engine update to Dota with official support. Its a fairly complex story but I believe that the creators of LOL started as Dota modders. What League did to change the game was to monetize it and create a sport out of a genre that up until that point was fairly obscure. Without League I am sure that Valve would have never became invested in Dota and it would still simply be a niche game. I’m familiar with the history, and there’s a reason I only mentioned DotA2 - that was the suggestion I was arguing against. I did not claim that LOL was the genre progenitor, merely the game that had the impact. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-video-games-with-lasting-impact/746890/42 "2016-03-02T07:21:54Z")
> [@Miltonyz](#): > > Dota is much older than LOL. It started as a Watercraft 3 mod. Dota2 is essentially a graphical and engine update to Dota with official support. Its a fairly complex story but I believe that the creators of LOL started as Dota modders. What League did to change the game was to monetize it and create a sport out of a genre that up until that point was fairly obscure. Without League I am sure that Valve would have never became invested in Dota and it would still simply be a niche game. This in itself is incomplete. The Dota that Dota 2 comes from is actually Dota Allstars, which is a Frozen Throne update of the original DOTA for WC3 which in and of itself was in a well established map genre called “AoS-type” maps after Aeon of Strife – the original map in this paradigm for Starcraft 1. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-video-games-with-lasting-impact/746890.md?page=2)