# Modern Warfare 2 general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 4, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608 "2010-09-04T18:36:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/41 "2010-09-06T00:51:56Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > I’m sure your information is reliable, but it runs counter to my experience. > > However, most of my Sniping is done in Hardcore, not core. The rare times I do break out a sniper rifle in core, it’s typically a stopping power/intervention class (trying to chug along and eventually get those 2500 kills). > As for the reason I like the EBR more than the WA2000 – field of view and recoil. IME the recoil on the EBR is slightly less than the WA, and this allows for _faster_ double taps. Which is especially important for the way I snipe. > > I’ll get onto the roof of the white building on High Rise in Hardcore Headquarters, and hardscope down the hallway into the red building, I can take out 3-5 guys at a time as they usually run in a group down that hallway, I can also spray a bit more, which is important for defending myself considering the spawns flip back and forth ridiculously. > On a map like Wasteland where being a sniper often involves closer fight as close SMG range, a faster shooting rifle is important. Both the M21 EBR and the WA2000 max out at 600 rpm. (Fun fact: Who knows the fastest-shooting weapon in the game? The vector at (1000 rpm) you say? Nope! The .44 magnum will fire as fast as the trigger is pulled, so assholes with modified controllers can empty it as fast as platform can process the client commands!) And **Lobsang** , I don’t really know the answer to that question. My guess would be that no, the perk doesn’t apply any more. I know that if you switch to danger close pro, it will make your killstreaks do more damage, even if you didn’t earn the killstreak with that class. So I assume that damage modifiers are applied based on your current class. But again, I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/42 "2010-09-07T01:57:11Z")
laughoutloud: I found out today I’d inadvertandly been using NO killstreak rewards for an unknown amount of time. I did wonder why I was having such a hard time, and why when I did get a succession of kills I didn’t seem to be getting any killstreaks. I just assumed I was dying just before getting them. The event that caused me to realize was attaining the “ten kills with no kill streaks selected” reward. But I’d been having so much fun up to that point racking up kills I failed to notice that I hadn’t been getting killstreak rewards! I think I ended up getting a 13 or 14 killstreak without using killstreak rewards. And RIGHT after I turned them back on my game ‘adjusted’ to being fail… so I continued to not get any killstreak rewards! On another note: Is there any indication that VAC is bothering to do its job? The PC game seems to be almost permanently infested with hackers of some kind. Many of them quite blatant. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/43 "2010-09-07T02:04:20Z")
VAC? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/44 "2010-09-07T02:06:20Z")
VAC just bans accounts. It can’t stop people from cheating if they don’t care about their account. Valve Anti-cheat. The PC version’s anti-cheat software. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/45 "2010-09-07T02:18:35Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > VAC just bans accounts. It can’t stop people from cheating if they don’t care about their account. > > Valve Anti-cheat. The PC version’s anti-cheat software. Ah. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/46 "2010-09-07T21:26:05Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > VAC just bans accounts. **It can’t stop people from cheating if they don’t care about their account.** > > Valve Anti-cheat. The PC version’s anti-cheat software. It can. It can ban them. I take it you mean it can’t act quickly if someone decides to cheat knowing they risk inevitable banning but being prepared to take the risk because of the delay in getting banned. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/47 "2010-09-07T22:12:32Z")
Yes, that’s what I meant. I don’t why I jumped over that important point. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/48 "2010-09-07T22:39:34Z")
Also, for killstreaks, I liked to run Harrier, Pavelow, Chopper Gunner. Get to 7 and if it’s Deathmatch, the game’s over. This is where someone says “Nuh uh! I’d have shot down your killstreaks!” You probably wouldn’t have had a chance. We’d have rolled over you, unless you did it immediately off of spawn. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/49 "2010-09-07T22:47:45Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Also, for killstreaks, I liked to run Harrier, Pavelow, Chopper Gunner. Get to 7 and if it’s Deathmatch, the game’s over. > > This is where someone says “Nuh uh! I’d have shot down your killstreaks!” > > You wouldn’t have had a chance. We’d have rolled over you, unless you did it immediately off of spawn. Most people can get more chopper gunners going Pred-Harrier-Chopper. Harrier-Pavelow-Chopper is bad for a few reasons. 1. Harrier-Pavelows allow them both to be taken out with 1 stinger, if you blow up the Harrier when it’s within about three lengths of the pavelow, they’ll both go. You can also aim at the pavelow, and the chaff will make the stinger hit the harrier, or aim at the harrier and it’ll just hit the pavelow. Stingers act funny with Harrier-Pavelows both in the air. 2. You can’t call in the Chopper gunner while the pavelow is in the air, anyway. 3. Harriers and Chopper gunners are often competing over the same kills, if there’s 6 on the enemy team, and 5 aren’t running cold blooded and at best half their team aren’t hiding inside, that leaves you 2.5 people. That means that almost 40% of the time, your Harrier and Pavelow will be gunning (or rotating to gun at) the same person when they switch targets. This means a loss of overall efficacy of your air support. 4. 5-7-11 gets more Chopper gunners than 7-9-11, because you get to 7 more frequently, and you end up having to get the same amount of kills – or less – yourself to get to the chopper gunner. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/50 "2010-09-07T23:41:15Z")
Hmmm. I mostly use Cold Blooded. I think I may have 2 builds without it but the rest all have it. Nothing worse than being chumped by a harrier or a pave low more than once. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/51 "2010-09-08T00:32:20Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > > [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > > > Also, for killstreaks, I liked to run Harrier, Pavelow, Chopper Gunner. Get to 7 and if it’s Deathmatch, the game’s over. > > > > This is where someone says “Nuh uh! I’d have shot down your killstreaks!” > > > > You wouldn’t have had a chance. We’d have rolled over you, unless you did it immediately off of spawn. > > Most people can get more chopper gunners going Pred-Harrier-Chopper. > > Harrier-Pavelow-Chopper is bad for a few reasons. > > 1. Harrier-Pavelows allow them both to be taken out with 1 stinger, if you blow up the Harrier when it’s within about three lengths of the pavelow, they’ll both go. You can also aim at the pavelow, and the chaff will make the stinger hit the harrier, or aim at the harrier and it’ll just hit the pavelow. Stingers act funny with Harrier-Pavelows both in the air. > > 2. You can’t call in the Chopper gunner while the pavelow is in the air, anyway. > > 3. Harriers and Chopper gunners are often competing over the same kills, if there’s 6 on the enemy team, and 5 aren’t running cold blooded and at best half their team aren’t hiding inside, that leaves you 2.5 people. That means that almost 40% of the time, your Harrier and Pavelow will be gunning (or rotating to gun at) the same person when they switch targets. This means a loss of overall efficacy of your air support. > > 4. 5-7-11 gets more Chopper gunners than 7-9-11, because you get to 7 more frequently, and you end up having to get the same amount of kills – or less – yourself to get to the chopper gunner. I had no problem with 7-9-11. 2 was no problem, because I didn’t like having two methods of air support out there at the same time anyways. This also addresses number 3. This is applicable to core, of course. Hardcore is a different ball of wax, and it’s pretty much UAV, airdrop, and UAV jammer/Predator for that. **Ike** : people on your team don’t switch over. They’ll get mowed down. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/52 "2010-09-08T01:27:26Z")
Are kidding? In hardcore the killstreaks are 7-11-25. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/53 "2010-09-08T02:17:08Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > Are kidding? > > In hardcore the killstreaks are 7-11-25. 😃 I confess, though, I didn’t play much hardcore. The camping was a whole lot worse then. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/54 "2010-09-08T02:25:07Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > > [@Todderbob](#): > > > > Are kidding? > > > > In hardcore the killstreaks are 7-11-25. 😃 > > I confess, though, I didn’t play much hardcore. The camping was a whole lot worse then. Thats because you played hardcore team D. If you want fun on hardcore, Headquarters or Moshpit. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/55 "2010-09-08T02:32:44Z")
Headquarters isn’t too bad. Hardcore is way too much camping for me, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/56 "2010-09-08T02:43:24Z")
I love hard core HQ. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/57 "2010-09-08T03:16:32Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Hmmm. > > I mostly use Cold Blooded. I think I may have 2 builds without it but the rest all have it. Nothing worse than being chumped by a harrier or a pave low more than once. That’s why I use a stinger. Harrier and helicopters - shoot them down. Ac130 - stay indoors 🙂 Also there are tactics you can use to avoid them whilst outside, for harrier you can simply pay attention to where it’s pointing on the mini map. For helis you can put buildings between yourself and them. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/58 "2010-09-08T03:26:27Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I love hard core HQ. Are you on aaa SDMBs list? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/59 "2010-09-08T11:29:05Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > > [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > > > I love hard core HQ. > > Are you on aaa SDMBs list? I play on the PC and am in the SDMB group thing. I have never really figured out how all that crap works on Steam. I am usually under the name Ike Witt. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608/60 "2010-09-08T13:34:16Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > > [@Todderbob](#): > > > > Are you on aaa SDMBs list? > > I play on the PC and am in the SDMB group thing. I have never really figured out how all that crap works on Steam. I am usually under the name Ike Witt. darn, I’m on the 360. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modern-warfare-2-general-discussion/552608.md?page=4)