# Modest Proposal to Let DACA People Stay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069 "2017-09-11T17:02:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/61 "2017-09-18T04:12:59Z")
While we’re discussing BIG DOGS, it was PET DAYS at the Minnesota Renaissance Festival. The Northstar Irish Wolfhound Club was there with a half-dozen Wolfies. Many Danes/pits/Dobies(be still my heart) and other large dogs were in attendance. I was so excited I nearly peed myself and made dozens of doggy friends. I even convinced my younger brother, who has been attacked twice by dogs, to pet one of the Doberman pups. Vaya couldn’t go because large crowds scare her, and it sucked that she didn’t get to meet all the doggos I did. She’s been spoiled rotten with new treats and toys though - sorry checking account. Also, Corgi and Daschund races are just about the most adorable thing ever. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/62 "2017-09-18T04:51:20Z")
We all know what the solution to the illegal immigration problem is: Enforce the laws about hiring undocumented workers on _everyone_ who can be shown to have hired them, _regardless_ of whether they were “fooled” by documentation. Destroy the demand, destroy the supply. Not something someone like **JBGUSA** would think of, of course, but he doesn’t dog-whistle very well, either. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/63 "2017-09-18T11:41:40Z")
I was reminded of this thread by another post. And I reread the OP. > [@JBGUSA](#): > > … Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage. > > I feel this kind of proposal would put the Democrats (in the nature of full disclosure I am an extremely liberal Democrat) on the spot big time. They would have to choose between their buddies in the union or importing more knee-jerk Democratic voters. I’m still confused. What exactly does the “$75 … Or fixing hurricane damage” mean? Do other extremely liberal Democrats agree with **JBGUSA** that unions, while necessary to fix hurricane damage if we assume OP’s 1st paragraph is sensical, are a major problem today? And what’s with importing knee jerks for the votes? It takes a while before wetbacks are even allowed to vote. I only _wish_ our politicians planned that far ahead. :rolleyes: > [@JBGUSA](#): > > [ol] > [li]…[/li][li]I’m in favor of wolf reintroduction to Yellowstone, having scratched the head of an animal closely related to the wolf.[/li][li]I favor full funding of courts and education.[/li]… > [/ol] So you’re a dog-lover with onerous student loans. I used to have a cat and got a tax rebate once. Does that make me an extremely right-wing Republican? > [@A Tale of Two Persecutions & Discriminations Through History; Blacks and Jews](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tale-of-two-persecutions-discriminations-through-history-blacks-and-jews/796602/1): > > … some black … were engaged in systematic enslavement and barter of other blacks > … popularized in Fiddler on the Roof… > > Yet the Jews are usually derided for having too much influence, too much affluence and indeed for dominating policy at local, state and Federal levels. … > Police are not afraid to go into Jewish areas, and there is rarely a struggle between Jewish communities and police authorities. > > The victimization of Jews has been among the most systematic of any group. I think Jews and blacks need to pull together again, as Martin Luther King eloquently urged. And I think minority leaders need to deal with their own community problems and focus less on inanimate symbols such as statues and problems of the past such as the history of slavery and racism. Like others, I wondered what the Debate is here. Was it just a chance for **JBGUSA** to show off his extreme liberalism? He’s seen _Fiddler on the Roof_ and thinks MLK was eloquent? Many of those calling for removal of racist statues were white; are those whites in a “minority”? Which minority is that? Certainly not “extremely liberal Democrat” since that’s what **JBGUSA** is. He even voted for Clinton! ETA: While I was typing here, we got clarifcation from the other thread. > [@JBGUSA](#): > > What is wrong with other people doing what the Jews doe regarding education, family structures, etc.? More important whould we subsidize the drug use, truancy and pregnancies of other cultures or call it what is is, social pathology? ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/64 "2017-09-18T11:44:23Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > We all know what the solution to the illegal immigration problem is: Enforce the laws about hiring undocumented workers on _everyone_ who can be shown to have hired them, _regardless_ of whether they were “fooled” by documentation. > > Destroy the demand, destroy the supply. > > Not something someone like **JBGUSA** would think of, of course, but he doesn’t dog-whistle very well, either. The reason I don’t “think” of that is the cost to helpless elderly people and infants being taken care of by them. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/65 "2017-09-18T11:48:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m still confused. What exactly does the “$75 … Or fixing hurricane damage” mean? Do other extremely liberal Democrats agree with **JBGUSA** that unions, while necessary to fix hurricane damage if we assume OP’s 1st paragraph is sensical, are a major problem today? My point is that little work can get done with wages set so high. > [@septimus](#): > > And what’s with importing knee jerks for the votes? It takes a while before wetbacks are even allowed to vote. I only _wish_ our politicians planned that far ahead. :rolleyes: Try as an experiment going on the California voting website, making up a name, social security number, address, and you can become a California voter. I stopped before hitting the “submit” button but it’s scarily easy. > [@septimus](#): > > So you’re a dog-lover with onerous student loans. I used to have a cat and got a tax rebate once. Does that make me an extremely right-wing Republican? I haven’t had a student loan since I paid it off in the late 1980’s as a prudent use of a rather small inheritance from a not very wealthy uncle. Could have bought a BMW but chose not to, much to my mother’s consternation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/66 "2017-09-18T12:08:45Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > Try as an experiment going on the California voting website, making up a name, social security number, address, and you can become a California voter. I stopped before hitting the “submit” button but it’s scarily easy. I know! And I once made myself a fake driver’s license with some crayons and cardboard. I mean, I didn’t show it to anyone or drive using it, but it definitely proves how easy it is to forge one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/67 "2017-09-18T12:12:19Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > Try as an experiment going on the California voting website, making up a name, social security number, address, and you can become a California voter. I stopped before hitting the “submit” button but it’s scarily easy. Go fill out the paperwork to get a drivers license and put your name down as Bugs Bunny and your address as 1234 Loony Tunes Drive…then put your application in your pocket and walk out the door. Oooooh! Isn’t that _scary!!!_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/68 "2017-09-18T13:09:25Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > Try as an experiment going on the California voting website, making up a name, social security number, address, and you can become a California voter. I stopped before hitting the “submit” button but it’s scarily easy. Filling out any form online is “scarily easy”. Filling out a form is the beginning of the process, not the end. After you hit “submit”, lots of other stuff happens. “Submit” doesn’t mean that you are becoming a California voter. “Submit” means you finished the form and are submitting it for the next step. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/69 "2017-09-18T13:39:56Z")
It is always amazing how on this Board the transparent and obvious troll wearing a fake masque is engaged with in the deepest sincerity and it is forbidden even the soupçon of the acknowledgement of the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/70 "2017-09-18T13:57:50Z")
Except here in the pit, where we are free to acknowledge the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/71 "2017-09-18T14:07:35Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > My point is that little work can get done with wages set so high. OK. It’s unemployed workers refusing to take $70/hour jobs (or $75/hour but with no benefits) that slow down recovery. Got it. Not to nitpick but do you see that … > [@](#): > > Bye bye union jobs at $75 or more per hour plus benefits.Or fixing hurricane damage. … appears to mean the opposite? Can you rephrase this? > [@JBGUSA](#): > > Try as an experiment going on the California voting website, making up a name, social security number, address, and you can become a California voter. I stopped before hitting the “submit” button but it’s scarily easy. Serious question: Roughly how many knee-jerked illegals do you think risked deportation or felony arrest in order to increase Hillary’s margin of victory in California to 4,269,978 from a mere 4,269,977? Do you agree that it was “3 to 5 million”? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/72 "2017-09-18T14:42:04Z")
I’m fascinated why the OP, who claims to be an “extremely liberal Democrat”, is spewing right-wing Republican talking points. Like the bullshit about illegal voting. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/73 "2017-09-18T15:12:51Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is always amazing how on this Board the transparent and obvious troll wearing a fake masque is engaged with in the deepest sincerity and it is forbidden even the soupçon of the acknowledgement of the obvious. You are correct. It is blatantly obvious that he is trolling. Recipe for Mud Pie. Not that kind. Real mud pie. Good for trolls. Dirt. Water. Mix to a useful consistency. Shape. Leave in the sun. And [here’s the other kind.](http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/mud-pie-recipe0-1941538) Ingredients 1/2 pound butter, melted 3 cups chocolate sandwich cookie crumbs (recommended: Oreos) 1 gallon coffee ice cream (amount varies depending on size of the bowl) (I prefer using chocolate ice myself) 2 cups chocolate fudge sauce Whipped cream Chocolate sauce Directions Melt butter. Grind cookie crumbs in a food processor. Add butter to crumbs to make a formable consistency. Press into a very large pie pan leaving a slight mound in the center and the crust going all the way up on edge. Freeze the crust for several hours. Pack ice cream into a mixing bowl the same diameter as the pie pan. Freeze the ice cream in the bowl for several hours. Invert the ice cream onto the crust and work the ice cream out of the bowl. Pour fudge sauce on top of the mud pie. Cover with plastic and freeze again. Cut into slices to serve. Decorate with whipped cream and chocolate sauce. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/74 "2017-09-18T21:29:57Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is always amazing how on this Board the transparent and obvious troll wearing a fake masque is engaged with in the deepest sincerity and it is forbidden even the soupçon of the acknowledgement of the obvious. Mocking trolls is one of my favorite pastimes. I refuse to stop, especially with such winners as “I filled out a form, but didn’t even submit it! I’m so bad, and that means other people are bad!” So much winning, it’s making me sick. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/75 "2017-09-19T08:59:06Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Mocking trolls is one of my favorite pastimes. I refuse to stop, especially with such winners as “I filled out a form, but didn’t even submit it! I’m so bad, and that means other people are bad!” Even that pales in comparison to “I’m a Democrat because I once touched a large dog.” There’s so much going on there, and it’s all wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/76 "2017-09-19T15:57:24Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Mocking trolls is one of my favorite pastimes. I refuse to stop, especially with such winners as “I filled out a form, but didn’t even submit it! I’m so bad, and that means other people are bad!” > > So much winning, it’s making me sick. Wolf reintroduction is a touchy issue with the right. See: [http://www.nowolves.com/Vinyl%20Decals/SOS%20window%20vinyl.png](http://www.nowolves.com/Vinyl%20Decals/SOS%20window%20vinyl.png) [http://www.nowolves.com/Vinyl%20Decals/Shoot%20Shovel.jpg](http://www.nowolves.com/Vinyl%20Decals/Shoot%20Shovel.jpg) **[Wolves, livestock clash all around Wyoming]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/Wolves](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/Wolves), livestock clash all around Wyoming)** I guess you’re environmentalists when it suits you. Note, the pictures wouldn’t post; you’ll have to click the links. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/77 "2017-09-19T17:32:00Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > Wolf reintroduction is a touchy issue with the right. > I guess you’re environmentalists when it suits you. Note, the pictures wouldn’t post; you’ll have to click the links. 😕 😕 Plenty of right-wingers are nature fans. We don’t object to your canine love; we’re just a little flabbergasted that this is what you come up with as evidence that you’re “extremely liberal Democrat.” Oh. That and you claimed to have voted for Hillary. Whippeee! Even the **Brickhead** claims to have voted for Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069/78 "2017-09-19T18:27:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 Plenty of right-wingers are nature fans. Ignoring the GOP’s insistence that AGW is a myth, of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/modest-proposal-to-let-daca-people-stay/796069.md?page=3)