# Mods: What do you see in december? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2002, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562 "2002-05-06T16:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/61 "2002-05-09T16:45:43Z")
**Sam** , please clarify your objections to “drive-by invective blasts”. Then reread that last post of yours. :rolleyes: Anyway, although it was probably inevitable that this thread would turn into a december-bash, it really was intended as a request to the moderator community to discuss enforcement standards. Unfortunately, the only mod to respond nonflippantly utterly failed to get the point anyway, and has not replied further. Ah well, that was probably inevitable too. It seems we all just have to disagree on whether or not december is a deliberate, habitual baiter (if he is, the rest follows). That means some of you are able to think his wave of Muslim-bashing posts, for simply one example, are honestly meant to initiate reasoned discussions, and I simply don’t understand how you can think that. It’s a big world, though. 'Nuf sed. Mods, if you don’t wish to address the questions raised, there’s no need to keep this thing open. Either respond to it or lock it, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/62 "2002-05-09T17:53:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway, although it was probably inevitable that this thread would turn into a december-bash, it really was intended as a request to the moderator community to discuss enforcement standards. Unfortunately, the only mod to respond nonflippantly utterly failed to get the point anyway, and has not replied further. Ah well, that was probably inevitable too. Sorry, but I did address the OP. I just didn’t read it in the way you now say you intended it; I read it literally. So, yeah, I did get your point; you just failed to effectively communicate exactly what your point was. And after re-reading th OP twice, I see no indication that anything more than a literal interpretation is possible. If you have a question about enforcement standards, why obscure it with repeated references to a single poster? Why not simply state it clearly? We can perhaps then address your actual concerns without the emotional baggage you’ve attached to the OP; you’ve already seen the results of doing that. Anyway, I’ve not seen december do anything I’ve not seen a number of other current posters have done in the past, or do now. I’ll admit I haven’t spent much time in GD in the past couple months though, so I’m not the best judge, though. Apparently december’s specific OP’s aren’t really the issue you wish addressed anyway, but given nothing more than that initial post to go on, I’m at a loss to determine exactly what your gripe is. Perhaps you’d like to try again. I just won’t be available to answer. I’m going out of town for the weekend in just a few short hours. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2002, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/63 "2002-05-13T16:33:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps you’d like to try again. Guess not. This leaves me with the conclusion my original interpretation was indeed correct. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2002, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/64 "2002-05-13T18:20:14Z")
**UncleBeer** , you seem at a loss to understand how any criticism of one of your fellow conservatives could be for anything but his conservatism. I am also at a loss to find a way to explain it to you any more clearly than I already have (hint: I have more than one post in this thread). Your own admitted lack of time in GD makes it even more difficult to discuss with you what GD is. Other people also have to spend time away from SDMB once in a while, ya know. Me for instance. Again, unless there is going to be a _thoughtful_ response from the moderator community, I think we’re done here. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2002, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/65 "2002-05-13T19:09:32Z")
> [@](#): > > UncleBeer, you seem at a loss to understand how any criticism of one of your fellow conservatives could be for anything but his conservatism. Yeah, given the OP. As I said, I read it literally. There was no indication that it was meant to be read any other way. But perhaps as you say, it’s better I don’t address this issue. One, I’ve not been too active in GD recently; and two, the mods over there have jurisdiction anyway. If I may respectfully make another suggestion, you might consider discussing this with them directly through e-mail since they seem reluctant to post here. You’ll likely have better luck getting their attention. I’m aware this is the proper forum for discussion of these topics, but again, given the lack of response, e-mail is another option. I’m sure they’d be happy to take time to respond to you had this not appeared to be a “witch hunt.” I know that’s not how you intended it, or at least _now_ I do, but that’s how it initially appeared. > [@](#): > > Other people also have to spend time away from SDMB once in a while, ya know. Me for instance. My apologies. > [@](#): > > Again, unless there is going to be a _thoughtful_ response from the moderator community, I think we’re done here. Go fuck yourself. My responses here have been anything but thoughtless. I’m sorry the expenditure of my time hasn’t been to your liking. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2002, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/66 "2002-05-14T03:14:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* it really was intended as a request to the moderator community to discuss enforcement standards. Unfortunately, the only mod to respond nonflippantly utterly failed to get the point anyway, and has not replied further. Ah well, that was probably inevitable too. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*\*Again, unless there is going to be a \*thoughtful \*response from the moderator community, I think we’re done here. \*\* If we played a game, where you had no information but the above two quotes, and you had to guess whether the poster most readily identified with The Left, The Center, or The Right, why is it that I would have picked correctly? Or, Why Milo Rarely Wastes His Time Anymore. [sub]With apologies to those who espouse a similar ideology, who can manage to engage someone whose opinions don’t agree with theirs without coming off like, well, that. You know who you are.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/67 "2002-05-14T03:22:55Z")
“Ah ha!” said Milo, pointing to the moss growing on top of the rock. “That proves a liberal has been here!” Milo, WTF are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/68 "2002-06-01T01:37:57Z")
I’ve tried and I have tried and tried again to reason with this guy. Due to the tone that he maintains I thought for long that the majority of his contributions to the threads had a value in as much that I hoped that debate with him would lead somewhere. However, in his most recent arguments re Reuters I can only say that I retract any opinion in that direction. The man is a troll. An awful bigoted piece of vehement shit troll if you ask me, who refuses to argue on any respectable level. I couldn’t care less about his opinions. I know several members by now that share some of them. I am for instance more than willing to debate DSeid on the issue of Israelis vs. Palestinians, because it leads to an informed and balanced exchange – even if I beg to differ re DSeid’s stand. Debating with dipshit ‘last month of the year’ on the other hand just leads to complete and utter outrage. He never fucking furnishes an argument. He trolls and then he trolls some more and then he repeats it all over, and gets away with it. No one of in the administration makes even the slightest show of reaction. I thought trolling was an offense that carried banning. Was I wrong? Therefore I must join **Elvis** in questioning the board, however much I understand that no mod nor admin will reply. Let’s be real here, even **Power\_Station** was less offensive and provocative than this piece of shit, at least he was stupid. This town is too small for the two of us. I’ll happily fuck off and leave the stage to december and his likes if that is the nature of the SDMB. That is no threat (who am I to forward them in the first place) it is a simple observation. The mods and admins do a great job here, rarely have I seen such clean and well maintained a message board. This guy on the other hand is like a cancer in its midst. And when you get cancer you take to the knife. Where is that knife? Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/69 "2002-06-01T02:15:03Z")
**december** is like **Stoid**. Say what you like - at least the threads get going quickly. I think it is just easier for me to see with **Stoid** because I tend more to **december** ’s ideology. But the board needs people around who can get the party started. God forbid that the administrators start banning people who have not broken the rules - and in my view, he has not. I have been on boards where people get banned for starting discussions by questioning the prevailing attitudes. They aren’t very interesting, and they aren’t any fun. If the SDMB turns into another one of those places where the prevailing ethos is copied from a ‘struggle session’ at the height of the Cultural Revolution, I will find other places to annoy and be annoyed by those who are too dispicably dim-witted to see the self-evident truth of every word I say. \ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/70 "2002-06-01T02:15:58Z")
**december** gets on my last nerve. He has an obsession with black people that borders on the unhealthy. As has been said before, debating with him without getting frustrated is close to impossible. But I don’t agree with banning him from the site. We don’t have to shell out any bucks to enjoy the services of the SDMB, so if suffering through **december’s** posts is the only price of being here, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/71 "2002-06-01T02:23:06Z")
I second Monstro’s last point. Ya can’t ban him nomatter how much he is annoying. _he is annoying_ ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/72 "2002-06-01T02:28:55Z")
But he _has_ broken the rules goddamned! He trolls. He is a TROLL as in that he refuses to provide cites and does not answer to posts, but just goes on and on and on with one unsubstantiated post after the other. He is a TROLL as in the net that drags the bottom for anything that will catch. He is a TROLL as in the creature that sprouts another head when one is cut off. He is a TROLL as in the creature that lurks under the bridge to pounce on the easiest prey. He is a TROLL in as much as that no matter if right or wrong he repeats his argument ad nauseam and takes sickly pleasure in the reiteration of arguments against him. He is a troll and trolls are usually banned. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/73 "2002-06-01T02:38:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sparc \* > \*\*But he _has_ broken the rules goddamned! > > He trolls. > > He is a TROLL as in that he refuses to provide cites and does not answer to posts, but just goes on and on and on with one unsubstantiated post after the other. > > He is a TROLL as in the net that drags the bottom for anything that will catch. > > He is a TROLL as in the creature that sprouts another head when one is cut off. > > He is a TROLL as in the creature that lurks under the bridge to pounce on the easiest prey. > > He is a TROLL in as much as that no matter if right or wrong he repeats his argument ad nauseam and takes sickly pleasure in the reiteration of arguments against him. > > He is a troll and trolls are usually banned. > > Sparc \*\* I liked this one. You say he is a troll because he repeats himself. In a post where you repeat that he is a troll - six times. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/74 "2002-06-01T02:46:01Z")
I see the humor in it, but no that was not my point. I accuse him of being a troll not based on repetition, but based on unsubstantiated and provocative rhetoric, as it would be repetitively. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/75 "2002-06-01T02:48:36Z")
Damn it! I couldn’t stop the message board. On second thought, my previous was a completely pointless and stupidly petty post. I should never have gotten into this thread. I apologize to **Sparc** for my latest piece of idiocy. And to **december** for adding to the thread. I should have known better than to get into one of these “So-and-so is a big poo-poo head” pig piles. Sorry. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/76 "2002-06-01T07:42:51Z")
I’m curious why this was brought up publicly. I thought if we had trouble with another poster we were to email **two** mods/admin people and report it that way. Also we were supposed to be specific. With the new board the ‘report this post to a moderator’ also serves that purpose. I haven’t been here that long, certainly not as long as most of the other posters in this thread, but if you don’t have people like **december** and **stoid** you’re going to have a very unexciting message board, IMHO. ☹ If you really can’t stand someone, put them on your ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/77 "2002-06-01T10:25:17Z")
Why public? Well for starters I think it’s fair that the someone in question should get a chance to defend himself. Further I’ll be honest and say that even in the light of my questioning that mr D hasn’t been banned I’m on the fence regarding if he really should be and for instance you just pointed out that maybe there is value in having him and his ilk around, which I needed to hear someone say. This thread was opened as a question to the mods. They have already said that they will not reply. I understand and respect that. Actually I would surmise that anyone posting here making that request makes it all the more likely that they will _not_ ban him as it would look like coercion if they now did. Why am I so extremely outraged at D? Well, beyond the facts that I have listed above I’m European and he just will not stop sending bigoted slurs in my direction. I am deeply offended by his unfounded opinion re me and the rest of the people that happen to be citizens of the EU or inhabitants of this continent. I’m equally offended on behalf of people of Muslim creed. I suspect he thinks that my blowing my top at him has to do with me being anti-Israel and hence anti-Semite. I have repeatedly tried to hammer through the point that I am not. His thickheaded idiocy and paranoid delusions seem to inhibit him reading those lines every time I post them and he just replies with another set of arguments that imply that I have no base to stand on and that I am in fact what he says. Summa summarum, I think his capacity to debate is deplorable enough to wonder what purpose he serves here and the opinions he expresses about my fellow countrymen, Arabs and Muslims are so offensive that I am on the verge of invoking Godwin every time he takes to the keyboard. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/78 "2002-06-01T11:04:57Z")
[hijack] I never realized this before **Sparc** , but you have an astonding 360 posts (8.23 posts per day). With ten more then me, rven though you registered in April. I’m impressed. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/79 "2002-06-01T13:53:15Z")
Well, it’s not the size, but the way you swing it remember. 😉 I might be prolific but it’s a little bit like writing long letters because you don’t have time to write short ones like Twain put it. Attribute it to me having no communication filter, a ‘slight’ bend towards procrastination and little need for sleep. It’ll change when I’m not sitting in my office (supposedly writing on more essential things) but on the road working later on this summer. 😉 Sparc ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2002, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562/80 "2002-06-01T14:52:52Z")
Let’s see… **december** consistently offends black people, Europeans, Muslims, Israel critics, liberals, and recently [women](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116181). Did I forget anyone else? I think **december** should be kept around if anything because he represents the ignorance that we’re supposed to be fighting. He makes a perfect poster child for this site. And I think the more we chip away at him, the more likely he is to change a little. Maybe when he drives around in Newark, he’ll see a black chick and think maybe that’s me–a strong, independent, competent if not intelligent woman–rather than a welfare queen, crackhead, or gangbanger. Maybe when he’s at a party and gets ready to jump into one of his anti-European or anti-liberal screeds, he’ll think of **Sparc** or **tomndebb**. I don’t think the guy is as unmalleable as we may think he is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-what-do-you-see-in-december/107562.md?page=5)