# Mods, you are playing their ignorant game if "climate change deniers" is offlimits. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 9, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-you-are-playing-their-ignorant-game-if-climate-change-deniers-is-offlimits/630931 "2012-08-09T03:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-you-are-playing-their-ignorant-game-if-climate-change-deniers-is-offlimits/630931/1 "2012-08-09T03:49:27Z")
> **[Why Is It Called Denial? | National Center for Science Education](https://ncse.ngo/why-it-called-denial)** > > There is a debate among those involved in social controversies surrounding climate change about how to refer to the positions that reject, and to people who doubt or deny, the scientific community’s consensus on the answers to the central questions... > [@](#): > > Recognizing that no terminological choice is entirely unproblematic, NCSE — in common with a number of scholarly and journalistic observers of the social controversies surrounding climate change — opts to use the terms “climate changer deniers” and “climate change denial” (where “denial” encompasses unwarranted doubt as well as outright rejection). The terms are intended descriptively, not in any pejorative sense, and are used for the sake of brevity and consistency with a well-established usage in the scholarly and journalistic literature. Well, IIRC even moderators before came to report in other threads that the use of “AGW denier” was kosher as even scientific organizations are realizing that they are encountering the same “logic” as creationists apply to biologists. But it seems that something has changed in this message board: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15364353&postcount=54](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15364353&postcount=54) As scientific organizations and even skeptics do not mind the term, it seems odd to jump to justify a censorship that only few of them demand. > [@](#): > > **“Denial” is the term preferred even by many deniers. “I actually like ‘denier.’ That’s closer than skeptic,” says MIT’s Richard Lindzen, one of the most prominent deniers. Steve Milloy, the operator of the climate change denial website [JunkScience.com](http://JunkScience.com), told Popular Science, “Me, I just stick with denier … I’m happy to be a denier.” Minnesotans for Global Warming and other major denier groups go so far as to sing, “I’m a Denier!”.** And I do think the reason is simple, most of the skeptical scientists do realize it is \*\*dumb \*\* what some followers attempt to do: to claim that proponents are just calling them like “holocaust deniers” :rolleyes:, because that is precisely the boiler plate point they what to make, it is an effort to avoid a term that fits and is proper. One more point: As the Aji points in the thread with his taunts that I’m not calling him that in his face, it is clear that even he understands that I’m not calling him a denier in the thread, that he is embracing the ones that show a total disregard for the evidence is not my problem. And he is still calling the proponents of AGW deluded. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-you-are-playing-their-ignorant-game-if-climate-change-deniers-is-offlimits/630931)._