# Mole II: 06/18 - Warm-up and debriefing! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2002, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556 "2002-06-17T17:32:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/21 "2002-06-19T16:06:26Z")
Well, I was going to point out that Myra probably wasn’t the mole, since she was the one that invited the interpreter along with them on the pizza hunt, but that’s kind of a moot point now, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![newbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/dc4da7/32.png) [@newbie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newbie)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/22 "2002-06-19T17:12:53Z")
I really think it is Bill or Heather. Last week’s episode made me very suspicious of her. Throwing the tennis shoe in the bucket was so risky, and she disn’t seem to hesitate. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/23 "2002-06-19T17:24:27Z")
Does anyone here think the Mole is probably male just because the last one was female? I know, I know, they could say, “Well, the fans will think it’s male, so WHAM, it’s female again,” but it does seem like it’d be male this time. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/24 "2002-06-19T18:21:13Z")
I felt bad for Dorothy in this episode…she’s a lot like me, IMHO. Kind of mysterious…an engima, one might say. And really bad at physical tasks- I probably would have been the same way running, or trying to get on a bike. There always seems to be two components to a game (well, not always but a lot of the time)- a physical part, and a more creative one. Like with the swimming/running game, or this last one. Which is why the Mole is a more interesting show than certain nameless shows which feature naked (bad naked!!) contestants eating insects… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/25 "2002-06-19T21:57:35Z")
When I was watching in Fall, my gut reaction was that it was Bill. (My gut reaction on Mole I was that it was Jim.) I haven’t seen anything that makes me change my mind. Although, I want to know how can anybody be as bad at physical activity as Dorothy?? Good god. Last week she couldn’t run more than 3 ft. w/o puking over herself. This week she gets on a bike and becomes a complete retard! I think she is trying to play that up though to get people to vote for her. In my opinion, the Mole has got to be sneakier than that. I don’t remember Kathryn doing anything too overt last time, and this time won’t be much different. Plus, the players are doing all the Mole’s work by throwing the different games themselves so that others vote for them. Also… I think they know that they’re not supposed to eat anything outside of “the game”. I want to know why nobody in the cooking group told them they could only make 3 pizza’s, becaue the bikers were complaining about the lack o’ food. Here’s what I want to know… How come… since Katie is a **Spanish** teacher do you guys assume she should know Italian? Sure some concepts are probably the same, but they are still different languages. It’s like saying… “Why wasn’t that French guy able to talk to the German?” Or maybe… “Why doesn’t that Japanese guy ask the Chinese one… they speak similar languages.” I agree her language background should have allowed her to get the Romeo and Juliet thing a little easier just by sheer logic. But in talking to other people, I wouldn’t imagine she would have that much of an easier time. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/26 "2002-06-19T22:29:41Z")
See, it is driving me nuts because the clue I refered to earlier causes me to believe that Dorothy is mole, but my gut just doesn’t want to say it. I think Al, Darwin and Bribs are out because they just try too hard. It doesn’t appear that they goofed up in the challenges yet (refresh my memory if someone disagrees). Ice cream treat notwithstanding. I still like Katie due to reasons stated in the other thread. However, the darn clues just don’t point to her. I really like Bill (not as the mole, I just think he’s a cool person). Same with Heather. If Elavia isn’t the mole, I almost hope she wins because she seems to be the loner. ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2002, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/27 "2002-06-19T22:35:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by monster \* > \*\*If Elavia isn’t the mole, I almost hope she wins because she seems to be the loner. \*\* If I had been voted least favorite player, I wouldn’t be too happy. Then again, I’m more like Jim (the gay one who came in second) from the first Mole, so the players would like me. He was so totally my type… And the fact that he once won a “prettiest penis” contest at a NYC gay bar seals the whole thing. ::swoon:: Also, wasn’t it great how Anderson was being bitchy? “What part of ‘Do not touch the bikes’ did you not understand?” “These hills are a bitch!” Gotta love the Coop. He’s really loosened up since the first edition. - s.e. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/28 "2002-06-20T01:27:21Z")
**scott** - I loved Anderson this ep- well, as always. Drinking it up in the truck all relaxed, while the others were pumping their lungs out. Actually, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal. Getting to hang out and be around the show (and I guess know who the mole is), but not have to do any of the grueling physical labor or be worried about elimination. 🙂 Did Jim really win a prettiest penis contest? Hehe. Back when I watched, Jim was my favorite, too…he had a certain, je ne sais quoi quality. I wanted him to win so much (well, I only watched the last 3 episodes or so, but still…). Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/29 "2002-06-20T02:19:36Z")
I loved Anderson this last episode! “These hills are a bitch”, while drinking an ice cold beverage just cracked me up!!! And Jim was TOTALLY my boyfriend, (well if I were a man or if he were straight ;)) from the first mole. I adored him! ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/30 "2002-06-20T02:26:37Z")
Jim memories: “Smart car, smart car.” (as he humps the car) “I’ve got smart crumbs all over me.” Jeans hanging down, plaid boxers showing as he runs into the library: “Stop!” Sucks that Jim didn’t win. He was only three questions off from Steven. I’ve heard that he and Anderson would hang out at L.A. and NYC gay clubs… 😉 - s.e. ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/31 "2002-06-20T02:32:08Z")
And who can forget Charlie always bitching out Gramma Kate? Here’s a song parody a friend of mine wrote. Sung to the tune of “Lady Marmelade.” LADY MARMADUKE sung to the tune of Lady Marmalade Hey Sister, mole Sister, old Sister, mold Sister Hey Sister, mole Sister, old Sister, mold Sister He met Marmaduke down in Old Southwest Spain Lookin’ for Moles on the street She said ‘Hello, here’s a curse you can throw.’ Mmm Hmmm Bitchy Bitchy Ya Ya Grandpa Bitchy Bitchy right in my e-ar Foul words flyin’ like puta Cursin’ Lady Marmaduke. Voulez-vous curser à moi ce soir? Voulez-vous curser à moi? Stayed by the pool while watch he cursin’ up Old boy drank all that night don’t know why Oh the last night he peaked, he started to freak Bitcyi Bitchy Ya Ya Grandpa Bitchy Bitchy right in my e-ar That you ain’t lost is a fluka? Cursin’ Lady Marmaduka. Voulez-vous curser à moi ce soir? Voulez-vous cursee à moi? Heh, Heh, Hehhhh Seeing her ass in those pants Color of cafe au lait Made the savage beast inside Roaring till it cried Whore, Whore, Whore! Now she’s at home, doing 9 to 5 Living her brave life, she tries But when she turns off to sleep Old memories creep Whore, Whore, Whore! Bitchy Bitchy Ya Ya Grandpa-pa Bitchy Bitchy right in my e-ar Many insultata ya ya Cursin’ Lady Marmaduka! Voulez-vous curser à moi ce soir? Voulez-vous curser à moi? Voulez-vous curser à moi ce soir? Cursin’ Lady Marmaduke! 😃 - s.e. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/32 "2002-06-20T20:39:12Z")
LOL, awesome. I ADORE the mole page on [abc.com](http://abc.com), and I love downloading the video clips. Yes it’s everything I have already seen before, but it’s fun D/Ling stuff. It was always my running joke when my bro and I watched- well, watch- it to say that Anderson was the mole. Yeah I know, lame joke, but I thought it was cool if they would do something like, “Guess what, we were screwing you over the whole time, it was the host! Bahahaha!” I’d do that if it were my show, but that’s probably why no one’s given me an ABC reality show just yet. Hehe. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/33 "2002-06-20T22:21:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Screeme \* > \*\*Here’s what I want to know… How come… since Katie is a **Spanish** teacher do you guys assume she should know Italian? Sure some concepts are probably the same, but they are still different languages. It’s like saying… “Why wasn’t that French guy able to talk to the German?” Or maybe… “Why doesn’t that Japanese guy ask the Chinese one… they speak similar languages.” > > I agree her language background should have allowed her to get the Romeo and Juliet thing a little easier just by sheer logic. But in talking to other people, I wouldn’t imagine she would have that much of an easier time. \*\* I just wanted to mention that Spanish and Italian are sorta derived from the same thing, so that many of the words are VERY similar. I took Spanish thru high shcool and that rudimentary knowledge made it very easy for me in Italy. Knowing how much Italian I knew from my basic Spanish, I am VERY shocked that Katie doesn’t/can’t/won’t figure out more Italian. I really enjoyed the episode. Dorothy is ticking me off with the inability to do anything physical at all. She’s so NOT the mole. All the dang clues are screaming Bill but I don’t think it’s going to turn out him. My gut is telling me Al. There’s no way it’s Bribs because he has done too much physically–I can’t believe the mole would tread water with weights or ride that bike up the hill if he didn’t really have to. ---
**Author:** ![lethean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@lethean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lethean)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2002, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/34 "2002-06-20T22:45:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scott evil \* > \*\*I’ve heard that he and Anderson would hang out at L.A. and NYC gay clubs… 😉 > > - s.e. \*\* Wha? Anderson? I…had no idea. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Caesar\_s\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/73ab20/32.png) [@Caesar\_s\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caesar_s_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/35 "2002-06-21T00:05:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lethean \* > \*\* > > Wha? Anderson? I…had no idea. Seriously. \*\* My mom told me he was gay, but I hadn’t heard it from anyone else. So I’m confuzzled as well. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/36 "2002-06-21T00:36:50Z")
Hey I was on-line looking at the old Mole contestants, and I saw that Jim’s last name is actually Morrison. Weird…no? ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/37 "2002-06-21T06:15:18Z")
**Sunshine** , I don’t get that either. I speak Italian and French fluently, and I discovered that I can understand Spanish. So I don’t know what the deal with Katie is. **Caesar’s Ghost** and **lethean** : Anderson’s gayness has been discussed since the first Mole. He just seems even more gay this time around. 🙂 (Disclaimer: don’t get on my case; I’m gay.) As well, I heard that way back when, he said he was gay on some early early early news show he used to co-anchor, but I have nothing to back that up. **Zoggie** : Yes, Jim’s last name is Morrison. “Smart car, smart car!” ::swoon:: - s.e. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/38 "2002-06-21T13:22:29Z")
> [@](#): > > **Caesar’s Ghost:** Another thing I noticed was Al. He seemed preoccuopied with the age of “23”. Al is 33. He’s probably just subtracting 10 years from his age. > [@](#): > > **Screeme:** Here’s what I want to know… How come… since Katie is a **Spanish** teacher do you guys assume she should know Italian? Spanish and Italian are very similar. Several people I know who speak Spanish who have been to Italy say they understood enough of what the locals were saying and that the locals understood them well enough when they were speaking Spanish that they were able to communicate. At least two different people have reported this, so… > [@](#): > > **lethean:** Wha? Anderson? I…had no idea. Seriously. Actually, my biggest surprise with Anderson was when I learned that his mother is Gloria Vanderbilt. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/39 "2002-06-21T13:37:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scott evil \* > \*\ ***Sunshine** , > > I don’t get that either. I speak Italian and French fluently, and I discovered that I can understand Spanish. So I don’t know what the deal with Katie is. > > \*\* Could it be that she’s the mole? Hmmmmm?? 😉 [sub] I just can’t let it die yet![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2002, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556/40 "2002-06-21T15:21:34Z")
Man, if Katie’s the Mole then she is a super actress. My gut feeling with her is that she doesn’t have enough common sense to be…but she’s doing a great job if she is. Clearly the mole would not cry so much, so… And as for Anderson…well, I flatly refuse to believe this whole “gay” conspiracy. If he’s gay, then I lose a lot of shower material, if you know what I mean. [sub]Anderson gay…I never! Harrumph![/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mole-ii-06-18-warm-up-and-debriefing/114556.md?page=3)