# Mollie Tibbetts missing college student (allegedly) killed by illegal alien **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030 "2018-08-22T06:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/21 "2018-08-22T08:20:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Too late, the OP put Trump in the menu. If you don’t like that me and others can talk about how Trump is likely to grossly mishandle this “gift” do not reply then. You’re saying you think he’s “likely to” “arrest ten million people for” the murder of Molly Tibbetts? That’s insane. Literally a post straight out of bizarro-world with absolutely no basis in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/22 "2018-08-22T08:23:59Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Listen miss, if the laws on the books were followed and enforced like other laws are enforced and followed, we wouldn’t have had this happen. > > Yes/No? Well, murder’s enforced, yet it still happens. Yes/No? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/23 "2018-08-22T08:25:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Too late, the OP put Trump in the menu. If you don’t like that me and others can talk about how Trimp is likely to grossly mishandle this “gift” do not reply then. How is Trump’s narrative that illegals are a burden to our society instead of an asset hurt by this incident? It directly feeds into that argument. \*\* On preview, what HurricaneDitka is saying - (your post is) “Literally a post straight out of bizarro-world with absolutely no basis in reality.” ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/24 "2018-08-22T08:41:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Really? How did you conclude this?. . . I don’t conclude this, It’s borne out in the [statistics.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate) overall rate of violent crimes (2015) Chicago = 903.8/100 000 Houston = 966.7 I can’t account for Chicago’s recent spike in homicides, but [smarter people than me](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/chicago-homicide-spike-2016/514331/) are also at a loss to explain it. I will point out, however, that LA has [twice as many unauthorized immigrants](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/09/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/) and has 2/3 the violent crime rate as either Chi or Hou, so what does that say about illegal immigration and crime? mc ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/25 "2018-08-22T08:41:50Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > How is Trump’s narrative that illegals are a burden to our society instead of an asset hurt by this incident? It directly feeds into that argument. It does feed into it, and that’s unfortunate. But, fundamentally, there’s not much that we can do on this site but fight ignorance and point out the actual statistics. If reality can’t win, then that’s all there is to it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/26 "2018-08-22T08:42:22Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > How is Trump’s narrative that illegals are a burden to our society instead of an asset hurt by this incident? It directly feeds into that argument. > > \*\* On preview, what HurricaneDitka is saying - (your post is) “Literally a post straight out of bizarro-world with absolutely no basis in reality.” The bizzarro world started by telling us that this will be a gift for Trump. It is like being aware that this will be harmful to America, but that it would be bad to discuss why it is that it will be harmful. It looks as if we should not talk about the gross misdirection this will be if Trump does use this “gift” as expected. ---
**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/27 "2018-08-22T09:26:08Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Look dude, when you can show me statistics that show “Illegal aliens” commit murder at a significantly higher rate than American born citizens, then I’ll consider changing my views on immigration. I think they’re ranting about the additive effect, so comparative rates don’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/28 "2018-08-22T10:23:42Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Surprised (not really) there isn’t a topic on this board already discussing the implications of the illegal alien allegedly killing the (up until now) missing Iowa student Why should this be a topic of discussion? No, seriously, can someone explain this to me? An illegal immigrant allegedly murdered someone. Even if we leave out the “alleged” part and assume he did it, _so what_? Should we make a thread every time someone gets murdered? That’d be a lot of threads; there are tens of thousands of murder cases _per year_ in the USA. Most murders aren’t newsworthy. What’s newsworthy about this one? > [@](#): > > It’s an anathema to (what I consider) this boards consensus, or general zeitgeist, that unfettered immigration is good and anything outside of that (a wall, enforcement of illegal immigration) is morally (among other things) wrong. …No, that ain’t it. Such arguments are based on _statistics_. One single murder? That’s not even 0.1% on the chart. > [@](#): > > Does any of these happenings change anyone’s opinion on immigration, or is this just an anomaly that can be easily ignored? It’s not even an anomaly. Why would it be? Immigrants, like all people, make up a diverse cast of characters. It’s fair to assume that given a large enough group of _any_ demographic, someone’s going to murder someone else. It’s a thing that happens. This is “dog bites man” news at its finest. If “one illegal immigrant kills someone” is news enough for you that you feel the need to bring it up in this discussion forum, one of two things is going on: 1. You really don’t understand the statistics surrounding murder and other crimes and legitimately think this is a big deal. 2. You _really_ want to make illegal immigrants look bad, and branding them all with a crime committed by one of them is the best way you can think of to do that. (Is there a third option I’m missing here? Feel free to fill me in if it is.) Also, your framing on this issue is just a little weird. Actually, it’s a lot weird. You’re posting this thread as though the opinion in the OP is not one you share. Why is that? Because given your avatar and your posting history that would kind of surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/29 "2018-08-22T10:50:39Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Listen miss, if the laws on the books were followed and enforced like other laws are enforced and followed, we wouldn’t have had this happen. > > Yes/No? If you aborted every white male in utero except for a small number you keep as breeding stock, your overall murder rate would be much lower. Yes/No? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/30 "2018-08-22T10:58:11Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Why should this be a topic of discussion? No, seriously, can someone explain this to me? An illegal immigrant allegedly murdered someone. Even if we leave out the “alleged” part and assume he did it, _so what_? Should we make a thread every time someone gets murdered? That’d be a lot of threads; there are tens of thousands of murder cases _per year_ in the USA. Most murders aren’t newsworthy. What’s newsworthy about this one? [Missing white woman syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome). ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/31 "2018-08-22T11:00:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If you aborted every white male in utero except for a small number you keep as breeding stock, your overall murder rate would be much lower. Yes/No? If you decreased the top speed limit by 5 miles per hour across the country, you’d save more lives than are lost to murder each year. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/32 "2018-08-22T11:06:07Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It’s an anathema to (what I consider) this boards consensus, or general zeitgeist, that unfettered immigration is good and anything outside of that (a wall, enforcement of illegal immigration) is morally (among other things) wrong. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/33 "2018-08-22T11:34:47Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > [Missing white woman syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome). Well, I mean, _I_ know that. Does **HeweyLogan**? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/34 "2018-08-22T11:48:37Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > [Missing white woman syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome). It seems like a better descriptor would be: “Missing rich white woman syndrome”. Cuz you know, I don’t think I’ve ever seen 20/20 or Dateline do a piece on a white girl that worked at Waffle House and lived in a trailer park. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/35 "2018-08-22T11:54:03Z")
Good that they apparently have the culprit. Bad that now it’s going to be used as anecdotal evidence that immigration is a priority. Immigration reform should be a priority, but shutting down immigration should not be. I’m afraid that Republicans are going to use this as distraction from the criminal in the White House and also use it as “one of them killed one of us” fodder for ginning up their base for the midterms. We don’t use every white guy murderer as proof that we should be suspicious of or fear white guys, neither should we use this alleged killer as proof that we should be suspicious of all immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/36 "2018-08-22T12:09:28Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > We don’t use every white guy murderer as proof that we should be suspicious of or fear white guys, neither should we use this alleged killer as proof that we should be suspicious of all immigrants. You do if they are cops. Or at least BLM or their ilk do. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/37 "2018-08-22T12:11:29Z")
Because all things must be politicized by party now, it seems Christhain Rivera has been working on a farm owned by Republicans for the last 4 years. The Washington Post is reporting that: “Rivera worked at Yarrabee Farms in Brooklyn, Iowa, the farm’s president Eric Lang told The Associated Press. He was in good standing, according to Lang, and had passed the government’s e-verify system. Lang is the brother of Craig Lang, a “prominent Iowa farmer and GOP official” who recently lost the 2018 Republican primary to become Iowa’s agriculture secretary.” [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-has-been-found-dead-a-month-after-she-vanished-authorities-say/?utm\_term=.46464fb1851d](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/08/21/mollie-tibbetts-has-been-found-dead-a-month-after-she-vanished-authorities-say/?utm_term=.46464fb1851d) If true, and the farm owner says it is, this would prove that Republicans are hypocrits on illegal immigrants- they say in public that we need to stop illegal immigration, but hire illegal immigrants as employees instead of good ol Americans. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/38 "2018-08-22T12:19:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You do if they are cops. Or at least BLM or their ilk do. > > Regards, > Shodan I disagree. Nobody says all cops are killers. Just that many cops who are killers get away with murder. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/39 "2018-08-22T12:36:06Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Surprised (not really) there isn’t a topic on this board already discussing the implications of the illegal alien allegedly killing the (up until now) missing Iowa student I’m not sure how surprising this is. More than ten thousand people are murdered in the USA every year. It’s hard to keep track of them all. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/40 "2018-08-22T12:42:53Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you decreased the top speed limit by 5 miles per hour across the country, you’d save more lives than are lost to murder each year. Sure, you’d save a few lives, but millions will be _late!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030.md?page=3)