# Mollie Tibbetts missing college student (allegedly) killed by illegal alien **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030 "2018-08-22T06:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/141 "2018-08-23T10:36:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > @ **Little Nemo** , This ain’t Twitter. > [@](#): > > If I gave you a big bowl filled with ten million Skittles and told you that only 1,000 or so contained a lethal poison, but you couldn’t distinguish them from the other Skittles, how many would you eat? I dunno. Now suppose there’s a bowl of Skittles with 150,000,000 Skittles, and 20,000 Skittles have a lethal poison, and can’t be distinguished from the others, only this time the Skittles are white American males, what are you going to do, leave the country? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/142 "2018-08-23T13:26:39Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, most are just moving here for a chance at a decent job. Is that our fault or there home countries? A prospective immigrant, yes, almost certainly. “Let me in, and I will settle myself and my family, and prove myself a worthy citizen.” The _asylum seeker_ is saying something more akin to “Let me and my children in so that we don’t die.”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/143 "2018-08-23T13:28:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > … [Archive of Serious Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens](http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens) > 9 homicides, 3 of which appear to be American citizens(sparse details), the others were against other immigrants or gang violence. That second article is actually titled “EXAMPLES of Serious Crimes by Illegal Aliens”, not “Archive”, and I suspect it is not even remotely comprehensive. > [@running\_coach](#): > > So by your logic, the entire population of the US should be incarcerated as a precaution. Not at all. I’m not suggesting we incarcerate the entire population of illegal immigrants either. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/144 "2018-08-23T13:34:05Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Isn’t that how the US vets applicants for formal immigration already? > > Ohhh, of course, you’re talking about keeping out the brown-skinned folk who swim across the Rio Grande seeking asylum. Yeah, gotta keep them out, right? > > Gotcha. :rolleyes: Well, no, I was talking about _legal_ immigrants, but since you brought it up, yes, we should definitely do a better job of keeping out the _illegal_ immigrants. Do you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/145 "2018-08-23T13:39:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A prospective immigrant, yes, almost certainly. “Let me in, and I will settle myself and my family, and prove myself a worthy citizen.” The _asylum seeker_ is saying something more akin to “Let me and my children in so that we don’t die.”. Which one was Rivera? Or is there a third category you neglected to mention? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/146 "2018-08-23T13:43:34Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > It’s justified though. Trump’s base is stupid and/or racist enough that they can’t and/or don’t want to figure out that out of a population of 11 million people there will be some rapists and murderers. #MAGA "And some, you assume, are good people.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/147 "2018-08-23T13:44:29Z")
OK, then, can we admit the _asylum seekers_ on a temporary basis? On the assumption that they will behave themselves and not give us cause to regret our generous humanity? Perhaps we could best demonstrate our benign intent by not tearing children from their mother’s arms. Be a pretty good start, I think. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/148 "2018-08-23T14:19:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That second article is actually titled “EXAMPLES of Serious Crimes by Illegal Aliens”, not “Archive”, and I suspect it is not even remotely comprehensive. > **Not at all. I’m not suggesting we incarcerate the entire population of illegal immigrants either.** Click on the 2016 section. It’s a site in favor of immigration reform. Why wouldn’t it be comprehensive? Actually you are by way of using the Skittles analogy. If you don’t know which one is poison, you reject the whole bowl. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/149 "2018-08-23T14:50:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Click on the 2016 section. > It’s a site in favor of immigration reform. Why wouldn’t it be comprehensive? Because it’s titled “Examples” for starters, and secondly because FAIR has no way to comprehensively track and tabulate every serious crime by illegal aliens. They’ve grabbed a few newspaper stories, that is all. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Actually you are by way of using the Skittles analogy. If you don’t know which one is poison, you reject the whole bowl. Wrong. I’m not suggesting we _incarcerate_ the whole bowl, I’m suggesting we send it back to its respective home countries. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/150 "2018-08-23T14:52:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Wrong. I’m not suggesting we _incarcerate_ the whole bowl, I’m suggesting we send it back to its respective home countries. So… “deport all immigrants”? Or just the brown ones? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/151 "2018-08-23T15:04:05Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “potential”? I don’t know. I suspect that no more than a handful per 100,000 will end up committing such a serious crime as rape / murder. Illegal immigrants don’t commit crimes at higher rates than the rest of the population. So effectively this whole line of reasoning is “If we want fewer crimes, we should just have fewer people.” This kind of “solution” would be laughable in any other context – doesn’t any such measure get defeated by population growth? Somehow it only stops being laughably dumb when the “fewer people” are nonwhite. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/152 "2018-08-23T15:17:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > So… “deport all immigrants”? Or just the brown ones? No, I didn’t say “all immigrants” either. If you read back through the conversation, you’ll notice that I’ve been talking about _illegal_ immigrants. Larry Borgia mentioned “a population of 11 million people”, which is certainly too low a number for all immigrants, but just about right for the figures I hear thrown around for the size of the illegal immigrant population ([cite1](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/), [cite2](https://www.npr.org/2017/03/07/518201210/how-did-we-get-to-11-million-unauthorized-immigrants), [cite3](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-trumps-new-plan-affects-the-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-the-u-s/)). The article running coach linked to was titled “examples of serious crimes by illegal immigrants”. etc. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/153 "2018-08-23T15:19:53Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Illegal immigrants don’t commit crimes at higher rates than the rest of the population. … I don’t think this point is as clear-cut as you seem to think so. For starters, I think you’ve slipped up here, because the normal phrasing I hear is “immigrants don’t commit crimes at a higher rate …”. By adding in the adjective “illegal” and focusing on that subset of immigrants, I suspect you’ve made the case harder for yourself to prove (but perhaps I’m wrong). What’s your cite for this? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/154 "2018-08-23T15:23:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > For the record, I’m delighted to still live in a land where people still have a right to free speech and cousins and aunts of dead women aren’t given veto power over what others say or discuss. You’re certainly free to leave if you no longer wish to participate in the discussion. Morality is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/155 "2018-08-23T15:31:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Morality is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. _shrug_ I’ve recently been educated in another forum that this place is all for running right up to the line of what the rules allow, regardless of the morality or rightness of doing so. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/156 "2018-08-23T15:40:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > _shrug_ I’ve recently been educated in another forum that this place is all for running right up to the line of what the rules allow, regardless of the morality or rightness of doing so. Can you link so we can see if it contradicts **RickJay** ’s point in any meaningful sense? I don’t get around to all the interesting threads the way I used to. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/157 "2018-08-23T15:42:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Can you link so we can see if it contradicts **RickJay** ’s point in any meaningful sense? I don’t get around to all the interesting threads the way I used to. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860923](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860923) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/158 "2018-08-23T15:46:23Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, most are just moving here for a chance at a decent job. How did that work out when your ancestors came to America? Do you feel that they were a problem for America and shouldn’t have been allowed in? Do you feel like they were a burden on America? Immigration is what built America. Cutting off the flow of new immigrants hurts America’s future. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/159 "2018-08-23T15:46:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860923](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860923) Seems strange for a person to use their own ignorance of the rules as a factor in their arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030/160 "2018-08-23T15:49:22Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Seems strange for a person to use their own ignorance of the rules as a factor in their arguments. Exactly! I LOL’d when I clicked the link. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mollie-tibbetts-missing-college-student-allegedly-killed-by-illegal-alien/820030.md?page=9)