# Mom's "Apology" To Friends Without Kids **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487 "2014-05-28T18:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/401 "2014-06-04T20:12:50Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So, a quick hijack question particularly to the childfree: are you all really into pets, or just most of you? Because more than one of you have mentioned your animals in this thread, and it piqued my interest. I don’t have a pet at present, but I have owned dogs, fish and a canary in the past, and am very much looking forward to having a dog again someday. I’m also an avid though haphazard gardener, which isn’t really the same thing but I think it does have a bearing on the whole “varieties of the nurturing mindset” issue. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/402 "2014-06-05T03:28:07Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > Curlcoat, a question, do you intend to stop getting your government payment once the amount that you have paid in has been exhausted? If I live that long, yes. However, it’s approximately 15 years in the future, so much can happen between now and then. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I do understand how pensions work. The problem is that [Social Security is not a pension](http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-difference-between-a-pension-and-social-security.htm#didyouknowout), so once again your post is irrelevant. And stupid. Whatever. Social Security encompasses an old age pension, and it isn’t available to those who didn’t pay into it, unlike welfare programs. > [@MissTake](#): > > And even beyond the fact that it’s not a pension plan, there’s a huge difference between RSDI and SSI. I’ve asked her before to clarify which one she receives and have never received a response. Well, I’m not receiving either one of those, and if you asked before I’d have told you. I get SSDI. > [@](#): > > The montly amount received varies and can be attached (for purposes of child support, back taxes, etc). It is considered income and is finite. What do you mean by finite? > [@](#): > > However, her continued denial that she receives a BENEFIT is frustrating. I have not said that. What I have actually said is that I am not receiving any form of welfare. > [@MrDibble](#): > > So, a quick hijack question particularly to the childfree: are you all really into pets, or just most of you? Because more than one of you have mentioned your animals in this thread, and it piqued my interest. I don’t know about the rest, but I have always preferred animals to people. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/403 "2014-06-05T10:40:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Whatever. Social Security encompasses an old age pension, and it isn’t available to those who didn’t pay into it, unlike welfare programs. I just provided you one of the many links I could have provided explaining the difference between SS and pensions, and this is your response? You’re kind of awesome. > [@](#): > > I have not said that. What I have actually said is that I am not receiving any form of welfare. To be clear, you said you weren’t receiving government assistance, and when I pressed you on this, you said SS wasn’t assistance. Given the link you supposedly just read showing that SS isn’t a pension, and that you’re not getting back the money you put into it, are you still gonna defend that claim, or will you admit you receive assistance? ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/404 "2014-06-05T12:20:32Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Whatever. Social Security encompasses an old age pension, and it isn’t available to those who didn’t pay into it, unlike welfare programs. Yes, RSDI or your SSDI is available to those who paid into it. SSI is available to anyone deemed too disabled to work. None are a pension plan. > [@](#): > > Well, I’m not receiving either one of those, and if you asked before I’d have told you. I get SSDI. SSDI = Supplemental Disability Insurance. It’s essentially the same as RSDI. > [@](#): > > What do you mean by finite? Eventually what you paid in will run out. When you were awarded your benefits, it was calculated to last a certain amount of time. If you live past when they figured you would, RSDI/SSDI will end and you will receive SSI. In many cases, they will split your benefits - you’d receive partial SSDI, partial SSI - prior to just receiving flat SSI. > [@](#): > > I have not said that. What I have actually said is that I am not receiving any form of welfare. Correct. As a SSDI recipient, you _currently_ are not a welfare recipient. However, it is a government program, subject to means and standards. Your SSDI can be stopped at the Agency’s discretion. > [@](#): > > I don’t know about the rest, but I have always preferred animals to people. 😃 I feel the same. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/405 "2014-06-06T06:17:59Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I just provided you one of the many links I could have provided explaining the difference between SS and pensions, and this is your response? You’re kind of awesome. > > To be clear, you said you weren’t receiving government assistance, and when I pressed you on this, you said SS wasn’t assistance. Given the link you supposedly just read showing that SS isn’t a pension, and that you’re not getting back the money you put into it, are you still gonna defend that claim, or will you admit you receive assistance? So, you don’t understand how pensions work then, and you apparently also don’t understand what government assistance is either… Fine, I guess that makes you some kind of awesome. > [@MissTake](#): > > Yes, RSDI or your SSDI is available to those who paid into it. SSI is available to anyone deemed too disabled to work. None are a pension plan. > > SSDI = Supplemental Disability Insurance. It’s essentially the same as RSDI. No, it isn’t. RSDI is all of Social Security, SSDI is disability payments only. No, SSDI isn’t a pension plan, but my SSDI is coming out of my Social Security, which [was](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_Insurance_Benefits) supposed to be a pension plan. I will not get my SS when I am old enough to be eligible, and I will not get the amount that I would have had I been able to wait to quit working until then. > [@](#): > > Eventually what you paid in will run out. When you were awarded your benefits, it was calculated to last a certain amount of time. If you live past when they figured you would, RSDI/SSDI will end and you will receive SSI. In many cases, they will split your benefits - you’d receive partial SSDI, partial SSI - prior to just receiving flat SSI. Excuse me if I don’t believe you over what I was told at the time, since you don’t even seem to know what RSDI is. > [@](#): > > Correct. As a SSDI recipient, you _currently_ are not a welfare recipient. However, it is a government program, subject to means and standards. Your SSDI can be stopped at the Agency’s discretion. Uh, yeah. What does that have to do with the fact that I don’t receive welfare? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/406 "2014-06-06T06:43:07Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, you don’t understand how pensions work then, and you apparently also don’t understand what government assistance is either… No, **LHoD** is quite right: SSDI **is** a form of government assistance. [Cite 1:](http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=19088) > [@](#): > > When you are receiving government assistance through SSDI, SSI or SSRI, you can work, but the amount of wages you receive will affect your benefits. [Cite 2:](http://www.rabinsslaw.com/Articles/Intersection-of-SSDI-and-SSI-can-affect-other-government-assistance.shtml) > [@](#): > > switching from SSI benefits to SSDI benefits can affect eligibility for other types of government assistance [Cite 3:](http://www.dispartilaw.com/practice-areas/social-security-disability/#axzz33q1QWQY5) > [@](#): > > If a disease, condition or disability limits or prevents you from employment, you may be eligible to receive government assistance in the form of Social Security Disability benefits, also known as “SSD.” [Cite 4:](http://www.caring.com/questions/help-with-basic-living-expenses-for-cancer-patients) > [@](#): > > Apply for Social Security Disability Income (SSDI). > This government assistance is available to those who have been unable to work for six months or more. [Cite 5:](http://www.cumberlandtrust.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=20:special-needs-trusts-and-government-assistance&Itemid=77) > [@](#): > > The four main sources of government assistance are: > Social Security Disability […] > Supplemental Security Income […] > Medicare […] > Medicaid […] Yes, **curlcoat** is on government assistance. There’s no shame in that; the shame is in her “the only moral government assistance is my government assistance” attitude, where she imagines that other people paying taxes to provide her SSDI benefits is somehow fair but her paying taxes to help provide other people’s government benefits isn’t. No part of Social Security is a pension. Rather, it’s a pooled social insurance benefits program (as even **curlcoat** ’s own link makes clear). Many people call it a pension because they think it somehow sounds more dignified to be “receiving a pension” than to be “getting government benefits”, but that doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/407 "2014-06-06T07:01:55Z")
That mindset isn’t all that unusual. The word ‘welfare’ has become terribly loaded (due to efforts by the ruling classes\* and the media they control) so that it’s only the poor (and by extension, the undeserving) people who receive ‘welfare’. In fact, all modern economies make all sorts of provisions for all sorts of people. Whether it be tax breaks for certain classes of people, investment enticements, even tariffs so that primary producers can compete in the market…they’re all a way of re-distributing the ‘wealth’ and every single one of them are forms of welfare. So, the lesson is that before pointing the finger at the ‘welfare’ families, perhaps look more closely at your _own_ personal situation, and critically evaluate how much help **you** get! (The royal you by the way). \*Sorry for the Marxist jargon! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/408 "2014-06-06T22:50:54Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > So, the lesson is that before pointing the finger at the ‘welfare’ families, perhaps look more closely at your _own_ personal situation, and critically evaluate how much help **you** get! (The royal you by the way). This is the sort of thing I have a problem with. Welfare is charity; tax cuts etc are things those folks earned by being productive members of society. I personally don’t have a problem with welfare/charity per se, what I have a problem with is people equating Social Security with welfare. I suppose this is why people living on the dole can end up with the entitlement attitude, if they are being told that they are the same as seniors getting their monthly SS, even tho SS is earned money and welfare isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/409 "2014-06-06T23:35:51Z")
Why is anyone interacting with **Curlcoat**? Did we learn nothing from her prior insane comments on vaccines? My own grandmother was on SSDI because of really awful arthritis. At least she had the grace to be grateful for it. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2014, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/410 "2014-06-07T00:40:43Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > This is the sort of thing I have a problem with. Welfare is charity; tax cuts etc are things those folks earned by being productive members of society. I personally don’t have a problem with welfare/charity per se, what I have a problem with is people equating Social Security with welfare. I suppose this is why people living on the dole can end up with the entitlement attitude, if they are being told that they are the same as seniors getting their monthly SS, even tho SS is earned money and welfare isn’t. Did you even read a word of my post? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/411 "2014-06-07T14:36:11Z")
I don’t get all this “do you understand how pensions work?” stuff when the current recipients of pensions do actually depend on people of working age paying in. People of working age are those who were children when you started work, or they weren’t even born yet but were once children. Pensions do actually depend on other people having children. Obviously pension funds invest their money too, but that investment income also depends on working-age people who were once children, etc. Some of the investments are in companies in other countries, but not all, because that would be dangerous - the companies would have even less information about the risks of their investments. And if there were no more kids being born, growing up and going out to work, the companies would have no new income to invest. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/412 "2014-06-09T03:39:33Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > I don’t get all this “do you understand how pensions work?” stuff when the current recipients of pensions do actually depend on people of working age paying in. People of working age are those who were children when you started work, or they weren’t even born yet but were once children. Pensions do actually depend on other people having children. I don’t get why this is so hard. For one thing, you are combining two subjects _and_ leaving out an important detail. The business with the pensions is that I am getting money back that I paid in. Therefore, not charity. If the government hadn’t stolen all of the Social Security money to pay for other things (wars I imagine), parents wouldn’t need to be claiming to sell their kids into slavery to pay to fund it. Which of course is a bizarre claim, since I doubt anyone has kids in order to make sure Social Security continues to be funded. I have never said a thing about not having any more children born - this is something that people who lack the ability to reason in the face of any negativity about kids have made up. I do think too many - I guess unqualified is as good a word as any - people are having children, and I’m really tired of having to help them pay to raise them. I am also really tired of children with no manners and parents with entitlement attitudes. That’s it. Will be interesting to see what version of that shows up next. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/413 "2014-06-09T12:23:56Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t get why this is so hard. For one thing, you are combining two subjects _and_ leaving out an important detail. The business with the pensions is that I am getting money back that I paid in. Therefore, not charity. And if that’s how it worked, you’d be correct. That’s not how it works. > [@](#): > > If the government hadn’t stolen all of the Social Security money to pay for other things (wars I imagine), parents wouldn’t need to be claiming to sell their kids into slavery to pay to fund it. Which of course is a bizarre claim, You’re correct here–that’s a totally bizarre claim. Nobody says they’re selling their kids into slavery to pay to fund social security–why would you make such a bizarre claim about parents, other than your nutball beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/414 "2014-06-09T14:27:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t get why this is so hard. For one thing, you are combining two subjects _and_ leaving out an important detail. The business with the pensions is that I am getting money back that I paid in. Therefore, not charity. If the government hadn’t stolen all of the Social Security money to pay for other things (wars I imagine), parents wouldn’t need to be claiming to sell their kids into slavery to pay to fund it. Which of course is a bizarre claim, since I doubt anyone has kids in order to make sure Social Security continues to be funded. > > I have never said a thing about not having any more children born - this is something that people who lack the ability to reason in the face of any negativity about kids have made up. I do think too many - I guess unqualified is as good a word as any - people are having children, and I’m really tired of having to help them pay to raise them. I am also really tired of children with no manners and parents with entitlement attitudes. > > That’s it. Will be interesting to see what version of that shows up next. I never said that you don’t want any more children to be born. I’m saying that, if no more were born, your pension would stop paying out. Not immediately - they have back-up funds, and they have investments in companies that would still keep going for many years with the current adults - but they would stop paying eventually. Long before you expected. They used your money to fund the pensioners who came before you. Your pension money will come from people working while you’re not. (Note: this is not to say you don’t deserve your pension when you get it - obviously you do). A lot of social security is like this - unemployment benefits, especially for people without dependants or disabilities, are far less and sometimes non-existent if you haven’t paid into the system yourself. People on that money are getting back money after paying it in just like people on pensions. Without you helping to find the next generation of people paying into the pension fund, they’d be less likely to be healthy and educated enough to _be able to_ pay into that pension fund. I agree with you about there being too much spending on wars, but does that actually come out of social security money? I’m pretty sure it’s ring-fenced. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/415 "2014-06-10T02:32:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And if that’s how it worked, you’d be correct. That’s not how it works. Uh huh. > [@](#): > > You’re correct here–that’s a totally bizarre claim. Nobody says they’re selling their kids into slavery to pay to fund social security–why would you make such a bizarre claim about parents, other than your nutball beliefs? Because it is one of the go-to excuses parents use when defending their selfish decision to have more children - “if there weren’t any kids, there wouldn’t be anyone to wipe your bum in the old age home” and nonsense like that. > [@SciFiSam](#): > > I never said that you don’t want any more children to be born. I’m saying that, if no more were born, your pension would stop paying out. Not immediately - they have back-up funds, and they have investments in companies that would still keep going for many years with the current adults - but they would stop paying eventually. Long before you expected. So, the inference is that when people defend their decision to have children, it’s because if they don’t, no one will be around to support the pensions. > [@](#): > > A lot of social security is like this - unemployment benefits, especially for people without dependants or disabilities, are far less and sometimes non-existent if you haven’t paid into the system yourself. People on that money are getting back money after paying it in just like people on pensions. I don’t know about unemployment - I think I got it for two months when I was in my early twenties, and one month while waiting for disability to come in. Since I thought I read that unemployment benefits were extended? raised? I didn’t think it was dependent on having paid in. > [@](#): > > Without you helping to find the next generation of people paying into the pension fund, they’d be less likely to be healthy and educated enough to _be able to_ pay into that pension fund. That doesn’t seem to be working that well, so I’d rather than the government focus on babies not being born into situations where tax money is needed to raise them. And maybe some required parenting classes. > [@](#): > > I agree with you about there being too much spending on wars, but does that actually come out of social security money? I’m pretty sure it’s ring-fenced. I don’t know what they spent it on, but [apparently](http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/07/13/what-happened-to-the-2-6-trillion-social-security-trust-fund/)it’s not there any more. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/416 "2014-06-10T13:46:00Z")
No, no, I want the last word! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/417 "2014-06-10T16:11:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Because it is one of the go-to excuses parents use when defending their selfish decision to have more children - “if there weren’t any kids, there wouldn’t be anyone to wipe your bum in the old age home” and nonsense like that. Because that’s exactly the same thing as > [@](#): > > parents wouldn’t need to be claiming to sell their kids into slavery to pay to fund it. EXACTLY the same. ---
**Author:** ![mengvs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f17d59/32.png) [@mengvs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mengvs)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/418 "2014-08-09T23:26:53Z")
How funny to stumble upon a post featuring the psychotic ramblings of **Cat Whisperer** and **Dread Pirate Jimbo** , two people I knew IRL some years back. For anyone who might be wondering, yes, they’re both exactly as they present online: sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory about many of their dubious life choices, not to mention just a wee bit neurotic. (Oh, and let’s not forget about DPJ’s passive-aggressiveness :)) They think the bad things that happen to them are always someone else’s fault, but that they deserve full credit for any good fortune that happens to befall them. (Good job hanging onto your house in a country with entirely different money-lending regulations than the US has, DPJ! I’m sure your brave actions were instrumental in saving Canada from certain economic meltdown.) Thanks for the trip down memory lane, y’all. As you were. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/419 "2014-08-09T23:31:52Z")
> [@mengvs](#): > > How funny to stumble upon a post featuring the psychotic ramblings of **Cat Whisperer** and **Dread Pirate Jimbo** , two people I knew IRL some years back. For anyone who might be wondering, yes, they’re both exactly as they present online: sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory about many of their dubious life choices, not to mention just a wee bit neurotic. (Oh, and let’s not forget about DPJ’s passive-aggressiveness :)) > > They think the bad things that happen to them are always someone else’s fault, but that they deserve full credit for any good fortune that happens to befall them. (Good job hanging onto your house in a country with entirely different money-lending regulations than the US has, DPJ! I’m sure your brave actions were instrumental in saving Canada from certain economic meltdown.) > > Thanks for the trip down memory lane, y’all. As you were. From here, it looks more like the sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory, wee bit neurotic and passive-aggressiveness is coming from a different source… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487/420 "2014-08-09T23:35:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > From here, it looks more like the sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory, wee bit neurotic and passive-aggressiveness is coming from a different source… > > 😃 Yeah but **mengvs** doesn’t know \*you \*IRL. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-apology-to-friends-without-kids/689487.md?page=22)