# Moms for Liberty lose big **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 8, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841 "2023-11-08T18:18:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/21 "2023-11-09T00:24:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “New worlds required, eh? Me thinks, me know, she expected, honourable, exciting, requiring…duty’s.” He’s got my vote! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/22 "2023-11-09T00:26:40Z")
It depends on how you define “lose big”. From the AP: "Tina Descovich, a Moms for Liberty founder, said that 40% of the candidates endorsed by the group won in Tuesday’s elections, bringing to 365 the number of its candidates who have won races in the past two years. “We have to work harder and we have to figure out how to invest in our candidates,” Descovich said, noting that teachers unions — a frequent foe — have decades-old political operations." > **[Liberal and moderate candidates take control of school boards in contentious...](https://apnews.com/article/school-board-elections-moms-liberty-progressives-1e439de49b0e8498537484fb031f66a6)** > > Liberal and moderate candidates have won seats in polarizing elections against social conservatives across the U.S. According to the New Republic, MFL endorsed 130 school board candidates around the country in this election, and MFL says 50 of them won. It’s heartening that a majority lost, but that’s still too many bullshit-infested school boards. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/23 "2023-11-09T02:14:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > “New worlds required, eh? Me thinks, me know, she expected, honourable, exciting, requiring…duty’s.” > > He’s got my vote! That person could be a speechwriter for trump and his drivel would then make more sense, not less. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/24 "2023-11-09T02:15:05Z")
They’ve been heavily terrorizing the next county over from me, Loudoun in Virginia. I’m so relieved the voters showed them the door, threw 'em out on their ear, sent them packing, Cast. Them. tf Out. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You’re approaching this as if rationality would be a defense. Nah, LHoD is a master of satire, turning their own guns back on them. A response like that would leave them too befuddled to think of a comeback. Smart people can think rings around them. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/25 "2023-11-09T02:35:33Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That person could be a speechwriter for trump and his drivel would then make more sense, not less. [![](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3324822674.5555/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg) ](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3324822674.5555/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/26 "2023-11-09T04:08:57Z")
Bragging about what percentage of endorsed candidates won is what you do when you don’t have a really good number to brag about. “Endorsed candidates” include incumbents, candidates in solidly red districts, candidates who didn’t need their help, etc. It’s one of Trump’s favorite plays - to endorse a shoe-in candidate and then tell everybody who’ll listen that the endorsement is the first last and biggest reason for the win. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/27 "2023-11-09T04:21:08Z")
Excellent point. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/28 "2023-11-09T07:20:32Z")
I was surprised to find that certain endorsements are regulated by federal law and you can’t just endorse whoever you want however you want. > **[Endorsing candidates - FEC.gov](https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements-ssf-or-connected-organization/endorsing-candidates-corporation-labor-organization/)** > > Rules for corporations, labor organizations, trade associations, and membership organizations regarding federal candidate endorsements. There are rules about who endorses a candidate and how they do it. I figured it was all protected free speech, but apparently there are still regulations. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/29 "2023-11-09T14:11:02Z")
I find a lot to admire about Moms for Liberty. They are a living embodiment of the progressive, egalitarian nature of our society. F’rinstance: they have similar groups in the Middle East, but their members are _exclusively_ male, and they go by more ominous sounding names like the Taliban. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/30 "2023-11-09T14:56:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > 30 - a person who runs in many elections, and whose submitted biographical statement reads: “New worlds required, eh? Me thinks, me know, she expected, honourable, exciting, requiring…duty’s.” I went go find this person, and had to include the rest of the statement, which certainly clarifies everything. > Eh, Québécois, Queens, First’s, woMEN’s? Yup ??? CANADIAN! Justin Truly our time has coming…holding Ontario hat’s:) Sheer poetry! Her interviews are entertainingly whackdoodle. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/31 "2023-11-09T16:20:43Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Her interviews are entertainingly whackdoodle. That’s what they said about trump until he gained a few million crazed adherents. Then a few tens of millions. Mark my words, this woman will destroy all of Canada some day. j/k. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/32 "2023-11-09T16:23:26Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Bragging about what percentage of endorsed candidates won is what you do when you don’t have a really good number to brag about. “Endorsed candidates” include incumbents, candidates in solidly red districts, candidates who didn’t need their help, etc. It’s one of Trump’s favorite plays - to endorse a shoe-in candidate and then tell everybody who’ll listen that the endorsement is the first last and biggest reason for the win. I think that this will be particularly true in this type of election. You are only going to endorse candidates in red districts where you think your brand is popular enough that it will help get your candidate elected. In swing districts and hostile territory, you might be better off running a stealth campaign, let the only chosen voters know who your candidate is by word of mouth/pulpit and hope that other voters pick them at random from among a bunch of unknowns. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/33 "2023-11-09T16:39:51Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think that this will be particularly true in this type of election. You are only going to endorse candidates in red districts where you think your brand is popular enough that it will help get your candidate elected. In swing districts and hostile territory, you might be better off running a stealth campaign, let the only chosen voters know who your candidate is by word of mouth/pulpit and hope that other voters pick them at random from among a bunch of unknowns. I don’t know. These right wingers probably figure it’s worth it to publicly declare their support for a few candidates they know will lose. Those inevitable defeats will fire up the outrage among their base. And let them claim that the Democrats must be winning elections by illegally stealing votes. Bonus points if they pick minority candidates for these sacrifices; then they can claim that this proves that Democrats are secretly racist or sexist. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/34 "2023-11-09T17:31:33Z")
Wichita, Kansas school district is the largest district in the state. It has a 7-member school board, 4 of which were elected two years ago, and 3 of which were on the ballot this week. In 2021, 3 of the 4 members elected were Mom for Liberty-esque, running on a shared platform of school vouchers, book banning, and CRT fear-mongering. This week, 3 more of these clowns ran for the open positions, but they all lost to moderates, all of whom were endorsed by the Teachers Union. Score another one for the good folks. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/35 "2023-11-09T19:08:54Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I just love these ironic names! That one is up there with the _German Democratic Republic_ and _Democratic People’s Republic of Korea_. Once, just ONCE, I’d sure like to see one of these groups choose a name which _actually_ fits their agenda, like _Fascist Busybodies for Censorship_ or something… One of Stephen Colbert’s books had the progression as something like: Republic Democratic Republic Democratic People’s Republic Shining Happy Democratic People’s Republic ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/36 "2023-11-09T19:17:51Z")
That last one is for when REM takes over your government. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/37 "2023-11-09T20:17:45Z")
And is otherwise known as a REM State. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/38 "2023-11-09T20:49:53Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > a REM State. Well _done._ ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/39 "2023-11-09T23:13:30Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > And is otherwise known as a REM State. I don’t want to applaud this, and yet I have no choice. 👏 ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841/40 "2023-11-10T01:24:53Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Maybe, finally, the left is learning that local successes can rise upward to state and national successes. The leftwing writer and historian Mike Davis has been pointing this out for years. His take is many of the big shots in the Democratic part have been content to ignore grassroots struggles, preferring to put their money and work into the “big” campaigns and running ad-based rather than door knocking campaigns. Davis I not the only one to make this criticism of the Democratic Party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-for-liberty-lose-big/992841.md?page=3)