# Moms of autistic, vaccine-damaged children mount wave of online protest against CDC research fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608 "2014-09-05T20:00:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/21 "2014-09-06T03:57:19Z")
Here’s an alternative title for you: **Antivaxxers Attempt To Kill African-American Children** That _is_ the point of telling Black Americans in particular that medicine that makes them resistant to disease is bad for them, right? Somebody was inspired by the spasms of self-destructive ignorance being displayed by their African equivalents and thought, “There are just too many black people around, wouldn’t it be nice if they all died in a plague”? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/22 "2014-09-06T04:02:12Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > It’s Natural News. If Mike Adams told the world my birthdate, I’d run upstairs to fetch my birth certificate just to double check. They’re the Flat Earth Society of the net. Mike Adams also calls anything more than one share of his links on Facebook to be a ‘groundswell’. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/23 "2014-09-06T04:28:53Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Here’s an alternative title for you: > > **Antivaxxers Attempt To Kill African-American Children** > > That _is_ the point of telling Black Americans in particular that medicine that makes them resistant to disease is bad for them, right? Somebody was inspired by the spasms of self-destructive ignorance being displayed by their African equivalents and thought, “There are just too many black people around, wouldn’t it be nice if they all died in a plague”? Playing the race card … nice … saves money on RFID chips ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/24 "2014-09-06T04:46:15Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Playing the race card … nice … saves money on RFID chips You are a very special sort of snowflake, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/25 "2014-09-06T04:54:54Z")
[Video Link](http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6979707/what-if-google-was-a-guy-part-3) Relevant at the 45 second mark. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/26 "2014-09-06T13:17:34Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Here’s an alternative title for you: > > **Antivaxxers Attempt To Kill African-American Children** > > That _is_ the point of telling Black Americans in particular that medicine that makes them resistant to disease is bad for them, right? Somebody was inspired by the spasms of self-destructive ignorance being displayed by their African equivalents and thought, “There are just too many black people around, wouldn’t it be nice if they all died in a plague”? I’d say less of that and more of trying to raise memories of things like the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment to get a groundswell from a group that normally does not support their cause (anti-vaxxers tend to be white, college educated morons who think they know how things work and how to read stats.) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/27 "2014-09-06T16:45:33Z")
Antivaxer attempts to make black parents suspicious of the MMR vaccine, raising comparisons to the Tuskeegee syphilis trial, is one of the most revolting and contemptible aspects of their campaign. The timing (on the heels of the uproar in Ferguson) is also suspicious. It’s to be hoped that parents will see through this transparent attempt at racial exploitation by the antivax movement.\* _it helps that the “whistleblower” has expressed support for vaccines and for immunizing children of all races. Also helpful is the bizarre irrationality of antivax leaders, who compared the CDC to Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin._\* \*\*ISIS must be feeling left out. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/28 "2014-09-06T18:46:47Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The offending agent here is [thimerosal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal), which [the CDC claims](http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/) has been removed from vaccines in 2001. The autism rate hasn’t changed since then. > > I don’t see the 5% inconsistencies required for proper scientific crackpotism. With all the money spent to brain-wash the children into obedient little tax-paying slaves in our public schools, why would we be trying to kill them too? Besides, the mercury ruins the RFID transmitters we inject into the little darlings. If the “offending agent” has been removed, shouldn’t the rate be going down? ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/29 "2014-09-06T20:07:50Z")
NOVA on PBS on 9/10/14 Vaccines - Calling the Shots Diseases that were largely eradicated in the United States a generation ago—whooping cough, measles, mumps—are returning, in part because nervous parents are skipping their children’s shots. NOVA’s “Vaccines – Calling the Shots” takes viewers around the world to track epidemics, explore the science behind vaccinations, hear from parents wrestling with vaccine-related questions, and shed light on the risks of opting out. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/30 "2014-09-06T20:39:37Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > If the “offending agent” has been removed, shouldn’t the rate be going down? In fact, there were a bunch of large population studies with data taken before and after the discontinuation of thimerosal (a preservative used in MMR vaccines), including studies in Montreal, in California, in Denmark and in Sweden. The timing of the discontinuation varied in different regions, from the early 1980’s to the late 1990s. The rate of autism (or pervasive developmental disorder diagnoses) increased throughout these periods, and the discontinuation showed no effect on the rate of change in autism diagnoses. (It’s not correct to say the rate of diagnosis has stayed the same - it’s been increasing DUE TO changes in diagnostic practices.) Thimerosal has fuck all to do with autism, just as the vaccines themselves have nothing to do with autism. ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/31 "2014-09-06T21:08:24Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Well, sure. They’re in the pocket of Big Science, who see nothing but dollar signs. This made me LOL. The pocket of Big Science. LOLOLOL. Fuck you, that’s funny. 🙂 Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/32 "2014-09-07T14:59:53Z")
Dumbassery of the day. Dr. Bob Sears spoon feeds his wootastic parents the kind of bullshit on vaccines that they want to hear. > **[Vaccination controversy swirls around O.C.'s 'Dr. Bob'](https://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-adv-vaccines-doctor-bob-20140907-story.html#page=1)** > > Maureen Viereck arrived at Dr. He makes me think of this old Muppets sketch: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NtlN7ykIZ_I/hqdefault.jpg "The Muppet Show: Veterinarian's Hospital - Dr. Bob Does a Sketch Twice") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtlN7ykIZ_I) ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/33 "2014-09-07T17:50:59Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > In fact, there were a bunch of large population studies with data taken before and after the discontinuation of thimerosal (a preservative used in MMR vaccines), including studies in Montreal, in California, in Denmark and in Sweden. The timing of the discontinuation varied in different regions, from the early 1980’s to the late 1990s. > > The rate of autism (or pervasive developmental disorder diagnoses) increased throughout these periods, and the discontinuation showed no effect on the rate of change in autism diagnoses. (It’s not correct to say the rate of diagnosis has stayed the same - it’s been increasing DUE TO changes in diagnostic practices.) > > Thimerosal has fuck all to do with autism, just as the vaccines themselves have nothing to do with autism. I’m still glad Thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines, as some people, including myself, are quite strongly allergic to it. If I had had any children (which I didn’t) I would have been wary of giving them Thimerosal-containing vaccines in case they had inherited my allergy. It’s still in the flu shot, I have to get the preservative-free version, and thank goodness it’s available now. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/34 "2014-09-07T18:14:09Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > NOVA on PBS on 9/10/14 > > Vaccines - Calling the Shots > > Diseases that were largely eradicated in the United States a generation ago—whooping cough, measles, mumps—are returning, in part because nervous parents are skipping their children’s shots. NOVA’s “Vaccines – Calling the Shots” takes viewers around the world to track epidemics, explore the science behind vaccinations, hear from parents wrestling with vaccine-related questions, and shed light on the risks of opting out. Should be worth watching. Already, antivaxers are preemptively denouncing it. Hilariously, one commentator on the heavily antivax [Age of Autism website](http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/09/dachel-media-update-c-no-vaccine-injury-span-on-vaccines.html) is fulminating about one of the show’s participants being a “profiteer” (for having developed a lifesaving rotavirus vaccine) - but her column is sponsored by [a compounding pharmacy that markets dubious supplements](https://www.ourkidsasd.com) to parents of autistic kids. See, “profiteering” is OK if you make profits by selling false hopes to desperate parents. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/35 "2014-09-07T18:54:08Z")
I fucking love it. What, do these people think it’s somehow wrong to profit from an invention that makes the world a better place? That everyone making medicine should just do it pro-bono? Of course Offit made a fair chunk of change off the vaccine he made - _he just basically solved a problem that was killing hundreds of thousands!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/36 "2014-09-07T19:45:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I fucking love it. What, do these people think it’s somehow wrong to profit from an invention that makes the world a better place? That everyone making medicine should just do it pro-bono? Of course Offit made a fair chunk of change off the vaccine he made - _he just basically solved a problem that was killing hundreds of thousands!_ Profit is only allowed if you put the words ‘natural’ , ‘holistic’, and/or ‘homeopathic’ in your treatment. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/37 "2014-09-07T19:55:16Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You are a very special sort of snowflake, aren’t you? I’m an \*\*[COLOR=“Navy”]indigo \*\*[/COLOR]snowflake! [/squeaky simpsons voice] ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/38 "2014-09-07T23:45:41Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The offending agent here is [thimerosal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal), which [the CDC claims](http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/) has been removed from vaccines in 2001. The autism rate hasn’t changed since then. > > I don’t see the 5% inconsistencies required for proper scientific crackpotism. With all the money spent to brain-wash the children into obedient little tax-paying slaves in our public schools, why would we be trying to kill them too? Besides, the mercury ruins the RFID transmitters we inject into the little darlings. Wait, what, this _isn’t_ a parody, joke post? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/39 "2014-09-08T18:23:50Z")
[AND NOW THIS IS A THING](http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/933954-autism-parents-reply-to-cnn-hear-this-well/). Please, can we have some massive outbreak of a particularly deadly strain of measles? Some people have it fucking coming. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608/40 "2014-09-08T18:39:58Z")
I wonder who these idiots will blame when their children contract polio? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moms-of-autistic-vaccine-damaged-children-mount-wave-of-online-protest-against-cdc-research-fraud/697608.md?page=3)