# Monica Lewinski, slut or victim ? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 6, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022 "2020-03-06T17:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/161 "2020-03-11T00:05:02Z")
> [@AlTraina](#): > > You need someone else to speak for you, you retarded cunt? What’s up with all the hostility, noob? Is this your first [DEL]sock[/DEL] time here? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/162 "2020-03-11T00:08:13Z")
> [@AlTraina](#): > > You need someone else to speak for you, you retarded cunt? You don’t belong here. You’ve been here less than a day, and you’ve already proven that pretty thoroughly. You will be banned soon, I have no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/163 "2020-03-11T10:53:44Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > I don’t fault Monica. She was a teenager, and was in love. She wasn’t a teenager. > [@bengangmo](#): > > Enjoying sex and having a lot of it is no crime > > On the other hand - deliberately pursuing a married person, giving head in the office and keeping a semen stained souvenair and “bragging” about “big game hunting” - yeah, I’d call that deserving of a derogatory term. She didn’t keep the stained dress “as a souvenir”. Admittedly the fact that she’d left it on the floor of her closet for a long time doesn’t speak well of her cleanliness but being a slob isn’t a crime either. > [@AlTraina](#): > > You need someone else to speak for you, you retarded cunt? He didn’t need it, but the truth is the truth regardless. You seem triggered by it. Do you require a safe space? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/164 "2020-03-11T11:50:43Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I didn’t say that trump. Learn to read You didn’t say “shouldn’t she be charged with XX and YY punishable by 8 years in prison?” You do realize that your typed words are right there in this thread, I just have to scroll to see them again. > [@](#): > > By thew way, that is a pejorative word I know, that sack of crap has ruined the game of Bridge, but we’re talking about how dumb you are right now, let’s keep on track. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/165 "2020-03-11T14:42:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Maybe, but I’m not sure how this would change my point at all. Perhaps it wasn’t the world jumping to the conclusion that Monica Lewinsky is a slut. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton telling everyone that she was a slut. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/166 "2020-03-11T14:46:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Perhaps it wasn’t the world jumping to the conclusion that Monica Lewinsky is a slut. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton telling everyone that she was a slut. Those two things aren’t in conflict (and I don’t recall Hillary Clinton calling her a slut). Society’s treatment of Lewinsky demonstrated extreme misogyny, no matter how Hillary Clinton reacted. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/167 "2020-03-11T15:30:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > After a long ass “investigation” by Starr, the Republican witch finder general, THIS was ALL the asshole could come up with - a blowjob. Had Clinton not committed perjury/lied under oath about it, you’d be correct. The (attempted) coverup was worse than the “crime”. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/168 "2020-03-11T18:27:29Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Yes. > If I’m the getaway driver and I get 20-to-life, while one of the guys who went in the bank, kneecapped the guards, and pushed a little old lady onto the ground where she broke her hip gets a mere 6-months probation because she turned me in, I want her to say “sorry about that.” You could have not participated in the crime. You could have proactively turned yourself in. When the PD started questioning people you could have sung like a canary. Instead you hid & hoped you wouldn’t be found. You played with matches & you got burned. Yeah, technically, it was your partner that caused you to get burned but you had ample opportunity to get away from the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/169 "2020-03-11T19:12:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Those two things aren’t in conflict (and I don’t recall Hillary Clinton calling her a slut). Society’s treatment of Lewinsky demonstrated extreme misogyny, no matter how Hillary Clinton reacted. Yes, with the cooperation of support of feminist groups at the time. And Hillary referred to Monica Lewinsky as “that woman” in a tone that implied that she placed a lot of the blame on the then 22 year old intern. Narcissistic looney tunes was another phrase that Hillary used to describe her. She made it more acceptable to call Monica Lewinsky a slut and whore and it’s ridiculous to think that Hillary didn’t give society a little bit of license to do do so. So no it wasn’t just “society” doing what society does. It made a difference that the feminists circled the wagons around Bill Clinton and said whatever they had to say and threw who ever needed to be thrown under the bus to keep nominating liberal justices. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/170 "2020-03-11T19:17:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, with the cooperation of support of feminist groups at the time. > > And Hillary referred to Monica Lewinsky as “that woman” in a tone that implied that she placed a lot of the blame on the then 22 year old intern. Narcissistic looney tunes was another phrase that Hillary used to describe her. She made it more acceptable to call Monica Lewinsky a slut and whore and it’s ridiculous to think that Hillary didn’t give society a little bit of license to do do so. > > So no it wasn’t just “society” doing what society does. It made a difference that the feminists circled the wagons around Bill Clinton and said whatever they had to say and threw who ever needed to be thrown under the bus to keep nominating liberal justices. I don’t know what your point is – you’re not saying anything that conflicts with my points. There are plenty of threads to shit on Hillary Clinton – why does this need to be another one? Society treated Monica Lewinsky like garbage. So did many individuals and organizations within our society. The actions of Hillary Clinton nor some feminists do not exculpate the treatment of Lewinsky by society. Our society is profoundly misogynistic, and this is just another example, regardless of the actions of various individuals and organizations. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/171 "2020-03-11T19:32:52Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > You could have not participated in the crime. You could have proactively turned yourself in. When the PD started questioning people you could have sung like a canary. Instead you hid & hoped you wouldn’t be found. You played with matches & you got burned. Yeah, technically, it was your partner that caused you to get burned but you had ample opportunity to get away from the fire. I’m sure that if you look, you can find somewhere else to place the goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/172 "2020-03-11T19:34:38Z")
I’m fully in favor of nobody calling Lewinsky a slut, except Hillary Clinton. She gets a pass for whatever she may have said about the Bill and Monica. If she said _that woman_ and _narcissistic nincompoop_ or whatever, that’s cool too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/173 "2020-03-11T19:59:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And Hillary referred to Monica Lewinsky as “that woman” in a tone that implied that she placed a lot of the blame on the then 22 year old intern. Narcissistic looney tunes was another phrase that Hillary used to describe her. She made it more acceptable to call Monica Lewinsky a slut and whore and it’s ridiculous to think that Hillary didn’t give society a little bit of license to do do so. If some 22 year old man exposed his erection to my wife in her office , and she laughed, let me tell you I wouldn’t let that be the end of it. And if my wife actually succumbed to his advances my family life as I know it, that I sacrificed so much for would be over. It would be even worse if the whole world found out about it. Calling him a prick or any other pejorative would be the least reaction that I would respond with. I don’t care whether you are a man or a woman. If you try to be a home wrecker for your own selfish needs, being called a slut or a prick doesn’t begin to describe your character. [sarcasm]Poor Monica. She should be given a pass. She’s only 22 years old and after all she is a woman and fragile.[/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/174 "2020-03-11T20:06:30Z")
Our resident redpillers are strong with their virtue signalling in this thread. So brave! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/175 "2020-03-11T20:12:07Z")
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/176 "2020-03-11T20:33:00Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I’m sure that if you look, you can find somewhere else to place the goalposts. The goalposts weren’t touched; I just took your [del]ball[/del] words & got three points with them. Slam dunk! (to mix-up metaphors) She was not only a willing participant, she was the initiating participant in an affair with a famous, powerful married man. If she kept her mouth closed, either in the Oval Office or at lunch with Linda Tripp she wouldn’t be notorious. She caused her problems. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/177 "2020-03-12T16:12:28Z")
If one’s spouse succumbs to advances from a co-worker, then perhaps the problem is with the spousal relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Kovitlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2bfe46/32.png) [@Kovitlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kovitlac)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/178 "2020-03-12T17:13:25Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If some 22 year old man exposed his erection to my wife in her office , and she laughed, let me tell you I wouldn’t let that be the end of it. And if my wife actually succumbed to his advances my family life as I know it, that I sacrificed so much for would be over. It would be even worse if the whole world found out about it. Calling him a prick or any other pejorative would be the least reaction that I would respond with. > > I don’t care whether you are a man or a woman. If you try to be a home wrecker for your own selfish needs, being called a slut or a prick doesn’t begin to describe your character. > > [sarcasm]Poor Monica. She should be given a pass. She’s only 22 years old and after all she is a woman and fragile.[/sarcasm] Oh good grief. The whole point isn’t that she didn’t do a shitty thing, or that she is entirely blameless of the situation. It’s that she, a person who was not married and bares zero responsibility for Bill and his marriage, had sex with a man who WAS married, and who WAS responsible for his own marriage. And yet, most of the blame is consistently pointed at her. Why? Because ‘she seduced him, the evil, sexy wench’, because men are (apparently) animals who are helpless to control their sexual urges :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/179 "2020-03-12T20:20:47Z")
> [@Kovitlac](#): > > Oh good grief. The whole point isn’t that she didn’t do a shitty thing, or that she is entirely blameless of the situation. It’s that she, a person who was not married and bares zero responsibility for Bill and his marriage If Monica is **not** entirely blameless of the situation , then what do you say she is to be blamed for given she _bears_ zero responsibility for risking Bill’s marriage ? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022/180 "2020-03-12T20:31:24Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If Monica is **not** entirely blameless of the situation , then what do you say she is to be blamed for given she _bears_ zero responsibility for risking Bill’s marriage ? She not responsible for risking Bill’s marriage (that’s all on Bill). She is responsible for risking her own career. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monica-lewinski-slut-or-victim/849022.md?page=10)