# Montreal Cognitive Assessment - I Guess I am Just Not as Smart as the President **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 25, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273 "2020-07-25T00:59:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ynnad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4491bb/32.png) [@Ynnad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ynnad)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/61 "2020-07-26T23:29:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > … to be as unreasonable as someone who thinks an animal cares about its gender. … OK, so some people found the remark offensive so I apologize and won’t make that comment again here. But what makes you think that no non-human animals “care” about their gender? The consciousness of non-human animals are probably so vastly different from human consciousness that we could never comprehend or even imagine what it might be like. Nonetheless, many animals that reproduce sexually are probably aware of sexuality and gender in their own way. To think that the camel, which is more related to humans than it is related to most other animals on the planet, has no "thoughts’ on the matter is, in my opinion, a very narrow-minded and speciest world view. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/62 "2020-07-27T00:00:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > > > Yes it’s a Rhino > > > > > [@Dinsdale](#): > > > > > > But what do you get if you cross it with an elephant? > > > > > > Elephino! > > A joke that reminded me, a joke that also does check for basic smarts: > > What do you do with an elephant with 3 balls? > . > . > . > Walk him and pitch to the rhino… Where might have you heard that one before? > [@cochrane](#): > > > [@Dinsdale](#): > > > > But what do you get if you cross it with an elephant? > > > > Elephino! > > Q. What do you do with an elephant with three balls? > > A. Walk him and pitch to the rhino. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/63 "2020-07-27T00:14:20Z")
Sorry, swing and a… missed that one. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/64 "2020-07-27T01:02:45Z")
I’ve heard recently that the last few questions are very difficult. So now I’m concerned that those questions are date, month, year, day, place, and city. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/65 "2020-07-28T18:57:19Z")
Not that easy. To really impress, you have to get those in the right order. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/66 "2020-07-28T22:12:27Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > ETA: I’m not sure how you’re seeing a cube come out of the first one. You got me. I just assumed a cube would emerge without actually trying it. Person, woman, man, TV, camera. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/67 "2020-07-28T22:36:30Z")
I (belatedly) realized that “problem 1” is actually “problem 1(a)” and “problem 1(b).” (a) measures how well you can follow an established sequence; (b) measures how well you can replicate an existing drawing. While somewhat related, they’re going after two different functions. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/68 "2020-07-29T04:11:06Z")
Some versions of the MMSE ask who is the president. “That rat bastard” is insufficient, but not uncommon. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/69 "2020-07-29T04:13:44Z")
Apparently the cube problem differs in some variations of the test. The versions I’ve seen lately since this has been in the news have a stick-outline figure that looks like a chair rather than a cube. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/70 "2020-07-29T04:20:45Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Apparently the cube problem differs in some variations of the test. The versions I’ve seen lately since this has been in the news have a stick-outline figure that looks like a chair rather than a cube Sounds difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/71 "2020-07-29T04:21:12Z")
ETA: (Missed edit window) See for example this: [![](https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F1410429%252F4763f3ec-dbde-433c-9b0f-868799c03087.png%252Ffull-fit-in__950x534.png?signature=3nQzr8b_JGBks41D_aDggTYpoXI=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com) ](https://mondrian.mashable.com/uploads%252Fcard%252Fimage%252F1410429%252F4763f3ec-dbde-433c-9b0f-868799c03087.png%252Ffull-fit-in__950x534.png?signature=3nQzr8b_JGBks41D_aDggTYpoXI=&source=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/72 "2020-07-29T11:36:25Z")
You sure it doesn’t look like a bed? Like right under where it says “Copy bed”? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/73 "2020-07-30T01:27:16Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You sure it doesn’t look like a bed? Like right under where it says “Copy bed”?- I couldn’t find the chair example again, but it was very similar to the bed example that I did find. Other samples I found on-line had a simple line drawing of a cylinder to copy (and I can’t find that again today either). Notice that the selection of critters to name also differs from one version to another. (Is that a duck or a goose?) A google image search for MoCA also turns up many examples of how people with various cognitive ailments will mis-draw the cube (or whatever) and the clock. Try this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/dq8txi/newest\_update\_to\_the\_moca\_high\_yield\_shitpost/](https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/dq8txi/newest_update_to_the_moca_high_yield_shitpost/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/74 "2020-07-30T12:56:15Z")
What would the Cognitive Assessment look like if it was “from” a different place than Montreal? Is there a Jersey Shore cognitive assessment with a practical component where you have to eat as many hot dogs as you can in two minutes? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/75 "2020-07-31T16:29:13Z")
For the final question in the Jersey Cognitive Assessment, you are required to “pull my finger”. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/76 "2020-08-01T11:23:26Z")
Just stop, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Ynnad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4491bb/32.png) [@Ynnad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ynnad)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273/77 "2020-08-01T14:39:02Z")
**madmonk28:** Just stop dude. I stopped six days ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/montreal-cognitive-assessment-i-guess-i-am-just-not-as-smart-as-the-president/916273.md?page=3)