# Monty Python\`s LOTR **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 19, 2002, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039 "2002-03-19T14:04:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/141 "2006-03-25T12:50:03Z")
If I can do a bit of thread necromancy here: More where this came from: [http://geocities.com/montypythonmuseum/whosefc.html](http://geocities.com/montypythonmuseum/whosefc.html) ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/142 "2006-03-26T21:35:52Z")
I removed your text, **SpinyNorman** because what you posted was far more than Fair Use. I did leave your link, though, so interested readers can follow it and see what you posted. Also, we currently have a user by the name of **Spiny Norman** , so please contact an Administrator for a name change. ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/143 "2006-03-26T22:13:31Z")
FRODO: Sméagol! GOLLUM: No, I am Sméagol’s identical twin brother, Gollum. FRODO: Oh, well, excuse me, I – GOLLUM: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Sauron! He has been setting alight to our ring-shaped beaconses. This is not the first time we’ve had this problem. FRODO: It’s not the real Ring? GOLLUM: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, evil Sauron! Oh, he is a naughty person, and he must pay the penalty – and here in Barad-dûr, we have but one punishment for setting alight the ring-shaped beacon. You must tie Sauron down on a bed and spank him! ORCS: A spanking! A spanking! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/144 "2006-03-26T22:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=SkipMagic] I removed your text, **SpinyNorman** because what you posted was far more than Fair Use. I did leave your link, though, so interested readers can follow it and see what you posted. [QUOTE] I think I do not agree. Fair use is a copyright issue thing, right? This is a parody. Now IANAL, but do you need permission from the owners of an original for writing a parody, if it is clear where it is coming from? As far as I know you don’t. In any case I have had this site for some time and have received no complaints from any owners of material used in crossover. PS I have no access to a memberlist so it’s a bit difficult to see what name is available and which is taken. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/145 "2006-03-26T22:43:47Z")
[QUOTE=SpinyNorman] > [@SkipMagic](#): > > Fair use is a copyright issue thing, right? This is a parody. Now IANAL, but do you need permission from the owners of an original for writing a parody, if it is clear where it is coming from? As far as I know you don’t. Yes, but the parody itself is still subject to the same copyright rules: I can’t make a movie of **Bored Of The Rings** without the permission of the copyright holders simply because they were taking a dig at **LotR**. The fun question is, could I make movie _parodying_ **BotR**? Funny thread, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/146 "2006-03-26T22:49:06Z")
[QUOTE=SpinyNorman] [QUOTE=SkipMagic] I removed your text, **SpinyNorman** because what you posted was far more than Fair Use. I did leave your link, though, so interested readers can follow it and see what you posted. > [@](#): > > I think I do not agree. Fair use is a copyright issue thing, right? This is a parody. Now IANAL, but do you need permission from the owners of an original for writing a parody, if it is clear where it is coming from? As far as I know you don’t. > > In any case I have had this site for some time and have received no complaints from any owners of material used in crossover. > PS I have no access to a memberlist so it’s a bit difficult to see what name is available and which is taken. If the site is yours, and you own the copyright, you might mention it; there’s no reason for a moderator to assume that if it is, as you seem to imply, the case. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/147 "2006-03-26T22:50:59Z")
That is, if YOU are the writer of the parody, that’s one thing. If on the other hand your geocities pages is a collection of the parodistic works of others, then the Moderator was correct in removing it. Just because they haven’t gotten around to telling you to cease and desist doesn’t mean it’s legal, and doesn’t mean the Reader should risk exposure. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/148 "2006-03-26T22:51:31Z")
> [@SpinyNorman](#): > > PS I have no access to a memberlist so it’s a bit difficult to see what name is available and which is taken. That’s understandable, just please decide on what name(s) you’d prefer instead, and email TubaDiva(at)aol(dot)com for a name change. Be sure to put SDMB in the title. We prefer that members not have extremely similar names if we can avoid it. Also, if you wish to discuss the copyright issues, feel free to open a new thread in GD or somewhere. That said, **SkipMagic** must not have noticed the date on this thread. Closed. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/149 "2006-03-28T11:57:42Z")
I had misunderstood the zombie policy as it applies to Cafe Society. Reopened. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2006, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/150 "2006-03-29T09:59:21Z")
My name has now been changed I see. So anyway, the bits I posted before were in fact written by myself (with some help of John R.R.T., John C., Terry J., Terry G., Eric I., Michael P. and Graham C. - I think that has everyone covered). Monty Python mixes well with completely different things anyway: [http://www.geocities.com/montypythonmuseum/whosefc.html](http://www.geocities.com/montypythonmuseum/whosefc.html) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/151 "2006-04-03T13:07:07Z")
It seems more people have has this idea: [http://www.xenocorp.net/H\_bardCorner/mpfotr.htm](http://www.xenocorp.net/H_bardCorner/mpfotr.htm) [http://www.xenocorp.net/H\_bardCorner/mpttt.htm](http://www.xenocorp.net/H_bardCorner/mpttt.htm) [http://www.xenocorp.net/H\_bardCorner/mprotk.htm](http://www.xenocorp.net/H_bardCorner/mprotk.htm) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/152 "2006-04-03T13:50:30Z")
Scene: Sauraman looking out Orthanc’s window speaking with Wormtounge. Wormtounge: “Say I thought we chopped that forest down to fuel our autonomous collective” Stray Orc hanging out, happens to be named Dennis: "We’re living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class… " Wormtounge: "Oh, there you go bringing class into it again. " Dennis: “Well, that’s what it’s all about! If only people would…” Sauraman: "I am your king. " Dennis: “Who elected you” Sauraman raises his staff, says a word of power and Dennis flies out the window in a way that is normally reserved for Cows or perhaps large wooden Burrahobbits. Wormtounge: “Say those woods look closer and what is that LARCH doing?” Sauraman: “What’s that” Wormtounge points and says: “The LARCH” Sauraman shudders sensing impending doom… Jim ---
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/153 "2009-10-17T19:00:24Z")
Blimey, I just made a terrible mistake: I tried to register here for the second time after stumbling upon this thread again. Stupid. Gandalf arrives at Isengard. Saruman: Do you want to come upstairs? Gandalf: I beg your pardon? Saruman: Do you want to come upstairs? Oh or have you come to discuss the fate of Middle-Earth and the One ring? (sigh) Gandalf: To discuss the fate of Middle Earth… What is all this about… ? Saruman: Oh, nothing… I am indeed honoured, Mithrandir, that you have placed your trust in me. After years of absence for secret research, you are here to speak with me about your latest discovery about Sauron’s evil works. Well Gandalf, old friend, let’s hear it. Gandalf: It’s… Saruman: Oh I’m sorry. You don’t mind if I call you Gandalf, instead of Mithrandir? Gandalf: No… Saruman: It saves a syllable… Gandalf: Alright. Saruman: But I don’t want to be disrespectful… Gandalf: No problem… Saruman: Thank you. Sorry to have brought it up… Gandalf: Just get on with it, we haven’t got all day… Saruman: Right. Thank you. Sorry for the interruption. So, master Stormcrow… Gandalf: What? Don’t call me Stormcrow! Saruman: Did I call you master Stormcrow? I don’t think I did. Gandalf: You did. Now get on with it! Saruman: Can I call you babydoll? Gandalf: No! Saruman: Pumpkin? Gandalf: Certainly not! Saruman: Elven drawers? Gandalf: Right, that’s it. I’m off. Saruman: Master Mithrandir, will you tell me about Sauron’s plans? Gandalf: Really? No more of this pumpkinny nonsense? Saruman: None whatsoever. You have my complete attention. Gandalf: Well, I’m afraid Frodo Baggins from the Shire is burdened with the One Ring. Saruman: Shut up already. That’s all the information I need. Gandalf: Saruman, the one ring has been found. Saruman: No it isn’t. Gandalf: Yes it is. Saruman: No it isn’t. Gandalf: Look, stop contradicting me! Saruman: I don’t! Gandalf: You did just then! Saruman: I never! Gandalf: Oh this is futile. I came here for wise council. Saruman: No you didn’t. Gandalf: Well council isn’t just contradiction. Saruman: Yes it is. Gandalf: No it isn’t. Council is using one’s wisdom to try and solve problems in the world surrounding us, it’s not just saying ‘no it isn’t’. Saruman: Yes it is. Gandalf: No it isn’t. (This is my sketch. By which I mean to say that it’s mine, and I wrote it. I also have a sketch on penguins.) ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/154 "2009-10-17T21:15:15Z")
Gandalf: None shall pass. Balrog: What? Gandalf: None shall pass. Balrog: I ahve no quarrel with you good sir wizard, but I must pass this bridge. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/155 "2009-10-17T22:38:48Z")
MODERATOR INTERVENETH: Just a reminder, please note that **The Piranha Brothers** has revived a thread from 2006. We normally don’t care much about zombie threads in this forum, and we realize that there’s a renewed Monty Python interest, but… Please be aware that the prior posts are from long, long ago. ---
**Author:** ![TPWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TPWombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TPWombat)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/156 "2009-10-17T23:26:22Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > MODERATOR INTERVENETH: Just a reminder, please note that **The Piranha Brothers** has revived a thread from 2006. It wasn’t dead, it was just sent back naked to the fjords for a time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/157 "2009-10-17T23:44:36Z")
Scene: Rivendell. Frodo is trying to remember the inscription on the Ring and sketching on the wall. Elrond approaches ELROND: What does that say? The Ring it goes to the front of the house? FRODO: It says “One Ring to Rule Them All…” ELROND: No it doesn’t. Conjugate the verb “To Rule” \ FRODO finally utters the inscription correctly ELROND: You Dare to utter the Black Speech in Rivendell?! FRODO: No!!! No!!! ELROND: All right then. Write it one hundred times before nightfall or I’ll cut your balls off. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@The\_Piranha\_Brothers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Piranha_Brothers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039/158 "2009-10-18T19:01:37Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > MODERATOR INTERVENETH: Just a reminder, please note that **The Piranha Brothers** has revived a thread from 2006. > > We normally don’t care much about zombie threads in this forum, and we realize that there’s a renewed Monty Python interest, but… Please be aware that the prior posts are from long, long ago. So have I done something bad? Or is this just for people who don’t read the dates when replying to a specific post? Tom Bombadil’s Vocational Guidance Counselling Tom Bombadil: So, Grima, as I understand you’ve been Saruman’s spy and accountant for twenty years now. Grima: Yes, that’s right. Tom Bombadil: We have here the results of the tests you did, and I can tell you that you are best suited for… spy to an evil magician. Grima: But I already am a spy… I work for Saruman… Tom Bombadil: Ah very well then. Goodbye! Grima: But I don’t want to do that anymore! It’s dull, dull, oh it’s so staggeringly dull! Tom Bombadil: Well Grima, your profile clearly indicates without a trace of doubt that you are a lying, deceitful, weak, easily dominated, spineless, scheming kind of person, treacherous to all save your master, without any original thought of your own, and who has no sense of humour, or independance, or ideas of your own. Oh yes, and you are dull, too. And where in most professions this is a drawback, for a spy and accountant to an evil wizard it’s perfect. Grima: No, I want more in my life. I want to be a ringwraith! Tom Bombadil: Don’t you think a gradual transformation would be better? You could start as a Minion of the Dark Lord, and then Mouth of sauron, and sidekick, and so work yourself gradually up to a position as ringwraith. Grima: No, I want to start right away! Tom Bombadil: Well, what qualities do you have you think make you a good ringwraith? Grima: I’ve got a cloack. Tom Bombadil: A cloack? Grima: It says ringwraith on it. Oh come on, it’s easy, I don’t see what all the fuss is about really with those ringwraiths. Tom Bombadil: I see… tell me, what does a ringwraith look like? Grima: Well, they’re slender, with pointy ears, and they can sing very high… Tom Bombadil: Ah. I think we have a little misunderstanding here. See, what you are talking about is an elf. This is a ringwraith. TOM OPENS CUPBOARD, REVEALING THE WITCH-KING Grima: AAAAAAaaaahhhh!!! TOM CLOSES CUPBOARD Tom Bombadil: So, shall I suggest you as a sidekick to Saruman then? Grima: Erm, well, give me some weeks to think about it, hm, erm… Tom TO CAMERA: This once again illustrates the dangers of spies. If only people would realise the danger. See what has become of this man. Please, donate generously to the League against Spies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-python-s-lotr/99039.md?page=7)