# Monty, Would You Please Step Into My Office? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345 "2003-03-31T02:19:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/61 "2003-04-01T02:03:32Z")
Actually, Guin, I don’t think I called Nichol a liar. I called her aunt a liar. That’s an entirely different thing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/62 "2003-04-01T02:05:24Z")
p.s. Guin: What I was referring to with “And I wasn’t the only one in that particular thread to tell her she might be mistaken, Guin” was the pit sticky thread and I was talking about Lynn. ---
**Author:** ![cadolphin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@cadolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cadolphin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/63 "2003-04-01T02:32:00Z")
I do owe **Monty** an apology. Although I intended my comment to be taken in a lighthearted way, as is typical of my type of humor, it was not taken that way by him, so I do apologize to you. To my knowledge, water literally quirted up someone’s behind has not ever resulted in improving their humor so it didn’t ever cross my mind that someone would take that as an offense. I’m sorry **Monty**. And to everyone else who read it as an insult - my apologies. May I buy you a Hawaiin Punch? Oh, heck, beverages all around 😛 Kathy ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/64 "2003-04-01T02:48:18Z")
Kathy: Haven’t you been reading your own thread? Tapioca! 😃 But, no worms please. ---
**Author:** ![cadolphin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@cadolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cadolphin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/65 "2003-04-01T02:56:27Z")
Tapioca - with tofu for the gent , please 😃 Kathy ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/66 "2003-04-01T04:20:15Z")
I don’t think much of Monty, I must say. I was involved in a couple of threads about Mormonism and it got to the point where I just ignored his posts. The common pattern was that there was a debate between a number of posters about Mormonism (involving facts and reasoning and all that good stuff) and there was Monty, whose contribution was to denounce anyone who raised anything negative about Mormonism as simply being a prejudiced Mormon hater. I am aware that Monty is intelligent and knowledgeable on many subjects. But I find it pretty hard to respect someone who is so totally blind to their own utter obtuseness on one subject in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/67 "2003-04-01T07:32:59Z")
Sure hope you don’t hate yourself, then, Princhester. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/68 "2003-04-01T09:27:28Z")
When I first got to this board, **Princhester** , that was my opinion of **Monty** as well. However, as I started to see the utter crap, dreck and bullshit spewn about religions in general (and, by default, Mormonism), I began to sense the following: 1. If someone was polite about their inaccuracy/opinion, Monty responded in kind. If they honestly just _didn’t know_ they were wrong, and were polite about it, then the proper thing to do would be to do as I have seen Monty do many a time: educate softly. 2. If someone, alternately, walked into a thread and said “All them Mormins is just polygamist, technology-hating inbreeders” (an opinion I’ve seen, in different forms, here and elsewhere), Monty responded in kind. Sometimes if you smack ignorance really hard in the head you can _actually_ knock some sense into it. Granted he has lost his temper more than once, but find me someone with anywhere near his postcount who has _not_ done just that thing and I will give you a pony. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/69 "2003-04-01T10:37:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*Granted he has lost his temper more than once, but find me someone with anywhere near his postcount who has _not_ done just that thing and I will give you a pony. \*\* Great. All I have to do is create a sockpuppet, post 6400 times, and I get a pony. Ponies are cool. Oh, and the only problem with Monty for me is that around here Full Monty is a term for a full cooked breakfast. Every time I see one of his posts in the morning I get hungry. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/70 "2003-04-01T11:20:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*When I first got to this board, **Princhester** , that was my opinion of **Monty** as well. However, as I started to see the utter crap, dreck and bullshit spewn about religions in general (and, by default, Mormonism), I began to sense the following: > > 1. If someone was polite about their inaccuracy/opinion, Monty responded in kind. If they honestly just _didn’t know_ they were wrong, and were polite about it, then the proper thing to do would be to do as I have seen Monty do many a time: educate softly. > > 2. If someone, alternately, walked into a thread and said “All them Mormins is just polygamist, technology-hating inbreeders” (an opinion I’ve seen, in different forms, here and elsewhere), Monty responded in kind. Sometimes if you smack ignorance really hard in the head you can _actually_ knock some sense into it. > > Granted he has lost his temper more than once, but find me someone with anywhere near his postcount who has _not_ done just that thing and I will give you a pony. \*\* If that were what he had done, then my opinion of him would not be what it is. And Monty, I see you are determined to make my point for me. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/71 "2003-04-01T14:30:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\* > > Perhaps you’ve a chip on your shoulder of late? \*\* Youre on her shoulder!??? ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/72 "2003-04-02T19:23:24Z")
I’ve been struggling and all I can come up with is RBI (Rants By Imbeciles), On Base % (how infrequently you have to be corrected), Hit by a Pit-ch (# of Pit threads started about you), and a Sacrifice (having to write “ **december** was right!” in a thread). ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/73 "2003-04-02T20:54:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rico \* > \*\*It would be much more palatable to many people if the LDS would drop the ridiculous claim of being the “only true religion.” I covered this in a previous post. It is Church Doctrine that “all other religions are false.” > > Read that above scripture and keep in mind that it is the accepted doctrine of the church. All other churches are “wrong”, all other “creeds are an abomination”, that “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” > > Yes, I am a former Mormon. It was only after hours of study and seeking that I realized the error of my ways. I cannot, in good conscience, belong to an organization that tells other organizations that do not subscribe to the same beliefs that they are an abomination in God’s sight and deny God’s power. Or have the current LDS authorities rescinded that revelation yet?\*\* Howdy Rico. I don’t think we know each other. I’m Ranger Jeff, the Idol of American Youth. There’s a coffee pot on the fire. Can I twist you off a cup? I’m not Morman myself. I certainly don’t have the knowledge of the practices, beliefs, history, etc of the LDS that you and/or Monty have. And with your knowledge, from what I’ve quoted here, I think I can safely say that you’ve chosen a different path than Monty. No problem with me. But there you’ve said part of your disillusionment was because of the way that the Mormon Church states that it is the “True Religion” and all other churches are wrong. And yes, judging from what you’ve said and I’ve quoted above, they have continues in that vein rather strongly. My point is this: Can you tell me the names of the religious faiths that DON’T say “Hey, we’re right, we are the ONE TRUE FAITH and the other religions are just plain wrong.”? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/74 "2003-04-02T20:58:20Z")
Um, that should be “continued”, not “continues” in the second sentence of my last paragraph up there. Maybe Lynn could correct that for me and delete this post if she’s of such a mind. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/75 "2003-04-02T21:10:27Z")
Hey, **Ranger Jeff!** Good to see you around! ---
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/76 "2003-04-02T23:15:40Z")
**Ranger Jeff** , good to see you, it’s been a while! You will find that many of the Protestant religions are accepting of other faiths. The majority belief among most Christian Churches is, that if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you’re ok with them. I have attended, since my LDS days, Catholic Masses, a Methodist church, a Baptist church, an Apostolic service or two, several Church of the Nazarene services, and many non-denominational Christian services. The only one of those that required membership in that particular religion to enter Heaven was the Catholic church. All others subscribed to the general Christian POV stated earlier. Not to say they didn’t think that their interpretation of the Bible was the TRUTH, but theirs was not the only way that you could get into Heaven. Reminds me of a joke I heard a couple of years ago: This guy died and went to heaven. St. Peter met him at the Pearly Gates, welcomed him in, and started showing him around. The first place they went was the Baptist Room. The guy went in, saw some old friends, and had a wonderful reunion and promised to return to visit. Next was the Presbyterian room, where the same thing happened. And so on and so forth, until they came to a room with closed doors. St. Peter put his finger to his lips and the two tiptoed past the door. “What was that room?” the guy inquired. "Oh,’ said St. Peter, “That’s the Mormon room. They think they’re the only ones here.” Now, when you’re talking about non-Christian/non-mainstream religions, you’re probably right. And I wouldn’t subscribe to those beliefs either. Any belief that will exclude people from an afterlife because of non-adherance to certain principles is flawed, IMHO. The Bible states: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16) That is the belief I currently subscribe to. LDS will tell you that you will receive eternal life, but not in the glory of God. The only way to this top glory (Celestial Kingdom) is through their church. No other way. I’d be happy to discuss this more, maybe in a different thread at a different time? Until then, I’d be more than happy to enjoy a cuppa coffee with you. You pouring? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/77 "2003-04-02T23:32:20Z")
Gee, Rico. Since the relevance of the veracity of the LDS claims has zero bearing on the marriage ceremony at issue here, do you happen to have, how shall I say it, a valid point here? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2003, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/78 "2003-04-02T23:39:56Z")
Bah! Wrong thread & wrong poster to talk to! Retract-retract-retract! (Yes, I see the pun in that word.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/79 "2003-04-03T00:22:30Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Rico_ > You will find that many of the Protestant religions are accepting of other faiths. The majority belief among most Christian Churches is, that if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you’re ok with them. You might not have heard this, but they’ve got a whole buncha new religions now that have _absolutely nothing to do with Jesus_. Shocking, I know, yet true. ---
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345/80 "2003-04-03T00:34:26Z")
In my quoted section, **Miller** , please note the words “Protestant” and “Christian Churches”. I was speaking specifically about those denominations. And if you would have taken the time to read the entire post, you would have also seen the following: > [@](#): > > Now, when you’re talking about non-Christian/non-mainstream religions, you’re probably right. And I wouldn’t subscribe to those beliefs either. You stopped before you quoted this part, which is VERY important to my personal belief, as well: > [@](#): > > Any belief that will exclude people from an afterlife because of non-adherance to certain principles is flawed, IMHO. Please note I said “any belief”. Not “any Christian belief”. Or “any belief that has to do with Jesus.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-would-you-please-step-into-my-office/165345.md?page=5)