# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/1 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")
You’re a pathetic, blatantly disingenuous **LIAR** , Monty! You apparently have no self respect or self discipline when it comes to being honest and telling the truth! In any case, it’s blindingly obvious from your lies that you either hate the truth or don’t have any idea how to recognize it. And your reading comprehension isn’t much to be proud of, either! In your lie-filled post here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3999994#post3999994](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3999994#post3999994) you wrote: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Monty_ > **You falsely stated that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.** That’s a flagrant **LIE!!** I replied here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3998432#post3998432](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3998432#post3998432) > [@](#): > > \*\*I stated facts, and I stated them with all the necessary qualifiers that made it clear that I did not claim, nor do I believe, that what I said was universally true or even particularly widespread within the LDS Church. I am well aware this is not GD and so I reported nothing but facts that were reported to me by sincere, honest, practicing Mormons, who by and large are wonderful people. > > I was falsely accused of stating falsehoods and I was insulted, and I responded to those allegations and insult, although admittedly without perfect detachment. For this, I apologize. > > Finally, contrary to subsequent false assertions [by Monty], I neither voiced nor feel any hatred towards the LDS Church. All of my posts here have been based on facts and factual reports, and there is no question that not all of my respondents can say the same. \*\* Here is your lie again: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Monty_ > **You falsely stated that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.** Here is what I _actually_ wrote in the post you are lying about, which disproves your dishonest assertion: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3999994#post3999994](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=3999994#post3999994) > [@](#): > > **While I’m sure there’s ordinary variation from bishop to bishop, often a bishop will ask you some extremely private and personal questions which must be answered to their full gratifica…, er, satisfaction before being granted a recommend.** It is a bald-faced **LIE** to say, as you so wretchedly and dishonestly did, that with those words I was stating that “the PURPOSE of the temple recommend interview was for the PURPOSE of gratification.”! First of all, you sad, pathetic liar, my statement clearly included a joke reference. An unfunny one in poor taste perhaps, but an attempted joke nonetheless, rather than the absolute statement of universal fact that you so miserably and dishonestly assert that I made. But as we’ve all seen from the actual words I posted from believing, practicing, service-attending Mormons, the joke was intended to point out the **true fact** that some LDS officials have behaved with shameful prurience towards young girls during private interviews. Let me quote again the words of a believing, practicing, service-attending Mormon regarding that very point. From: [http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon197.htm](http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon197.htm) > [@](#): > > Any Mormon reading this report will recognize that virtually all LDS girls are taught from childhood to do all 24 of the following: > > … > > • submit to male-originated personal-matter (including sexual) private interviews. > > … > > More About “Worth” . . . The “Personal Worthiness” Interviews > > For LDS women, male definition of female worth begins early. LDS females are taught from childhood that males who are divinely appointed have authority over central aspects of these girls’ own bodies, thoughts, and behavior. This occurs in regular, private “personal worthiness” interviews, conducted, usually with good intentions, by one or another of her male bishopric during her childhood/teen years. > > **Even worse, despite generally good intentions, sometimes male prurience accompanies the process.** Our daughters once asked me if they had to submit to these private, very intimate interviews conducted by an LDS man they described as **"dirty-minded and creepy."** So the clear, undeniable truth is that you **LIED.** NOWHERE did I claim that the very _purpose_ of such interviews was “gratification”, a word I didn’t even spell out in full and then substituted with another! My statement is completely factual and truthful as it stands, joke reference and all. But then you **LIED** again!! Here’s what you said in your final, lie-filled post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4012130#post4012130](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4012130#post4012130) > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Monty_ > **I did not tell an untruth. You purposely worded your posting to say that the church authority conducting the temple interview was doing so for gratification.** LIAR!! It’s an ever so slightly different LIE, but it’s a LIE nonetheless! Again: (1) I said that the practice was not a general one. It only happens to _some_, but it happens. (2) My only statement in which I only _started_ using the word “gratification” was a joke in which I corrected the letters “gratifica…” to “satisfaction”. All you can honestly say about that is that you didn’t find it funny (and I wouldn’t blame you for that). You **CAN’T** claim from anything I said – which was adequately qualified – that I claimed that the very _purpose_ that such interviews exist is for personal gratification or prurience! **But you said it anyway, because you’re a liar!** (3) I factually backed up the fact that _some_ LDS officials have at times crossed the line with factual quotations from actual Mormons who experienced exactly that! My proof can be found in my post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4012092#post4012092](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4012092#post4012092) Bottom line: **I** told the truth, but **YOU LIED!** Have you no integrity, Monty? At last, have you no integrity at all? Or are you just too dull-witted to be able to understand the fact that you repeatedly **LIED** in your vindictive personal attacks against me? The ONLY way to defend yourself is to show and cite exactly where I allegedly wrote that the very PURPOSE of such interviews was for prurient purposes and further that I claimed this happens in EVERY case. Since you obviously cannot do that, the only alternative is that you must admit that you viciously LIED and based your attacks against me on your own LIES! In any event, your ignorant and dishonest attacks against me completely missed their target because they are nothing but lies. If you want to make a legitimate point, you need to be intellectually honest in your points rather than just distort and misrepresent the facts and lie and lie so shamefully! ---
**Author:** ![RoundGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@RoundGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RoundGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/2 "2003-09-22T05:11:38Z")
Is this a meltdown? Is this our second meltdown in two days? Do meltdowns always include colored text? Is it possible for a “pittee” to meltdown as a “pittor” in an OP? Does this happen often? Will the hamsters survive the night? So many questions, so little time, so many time-outs. Ah, what a night… ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/3 "2003-09-22T05:56:35Z")
Ambushed, you’re full of shit. Now smoke a bowl and calm down 'fore you explode. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/4 "2003-09-22T06:01:43Z")
This is his M.O., I’ve learned. And the colored text is oodles of fun, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/5 "2003-09-22T06:11:13Z")
Is it a bad thing that when I finished reading this rant I was tempted to scream “_Have you no decency!!!_?” 😃 Oh, and I’m not really seeing anything Pit worthy here… ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/6 "2003-09-22T06:11:28Z")
Why did you start a new pit thread to pit the OP of a pit thread? The hamsters are _not_ amused… ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/7 "2003-09-22T06:16:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Ambushed, you’re full of shit. Now smoke a bowl and calm down 'fore you explode. \*\* SPOOFE, you went out of your way to actually \defend\ that contemptible, shit-for-brains LIAR who used cheap, despicable tricks to lie further about his lying. He LIED, over and over again, yet because you’re so friggin’ fucked up high yourself you stupidly bought his transparent, sub-moronic **bullshit** and refused to even bring an iota of honesty and integrity to the discussion! You appear to have as much loathesome contempt for simple honesty as Monty does! Why can’t you people tell the truth?? PROVE your idiotic attacks against me or apologize! ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/8 "2003-09-22T06:16:44Z")
Seriously. It’s possible to respond to a pitting within the same thread **ambush**. No need to stress out the poor hamsters any more than necessary by starting a brand spankin’ new one to respond. You’re not new, you’d think you would’ve picked up on that little tidbit by now… ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/9 "2003-09-22T06:18:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Who\_me? \* > \*\*Why did you start a new pit thread to pit the OP of a pit thread? > > The hamsters are _not_ amused… \*\* I didn’t. I am flaming Monty’s stupid, despicable LIES in the GQ thread. His contemptibly dishonest rants here in the Pit are beneath contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/10 "2003-09-22T06:20:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > This is his M.O., I’ve learned. There’s method in ambushed’s madness? > [@](#): > > And the colored text is oodles of fun, isn’t it? I’ve no idea. I’m extremely color-blind so it really doesn’t do a thing for me. Roundguy: This thread certainly seems to answer my query: > [@](#): > > So, which is it, ambushed? Are you just incredibly stupid or do you like to lie? Or is it both? Obviously, it’s “both.” ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/11 "2003-09-22T06:21:50Z")
Futhermore, it’s Monty who needs to be called to accout, not me. By furthering that liar’s lie-filled thread, I’m forced to play in _his_ ballpark, in which he uses still more lies to attack me because I called him on _his_ lies. Furthermore, it doesn’t matter a fetid pair of dingo’s kidneys _where_ a post is made. It doesn’t make any difference to the hamsters since there’s no additional work involved. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/12 "2003-09-22T06:25:09Z")
> [@](#): > > SPOOFE, you went out of your way to actually \defend\ that contemptible, shit-for-brains LIAR who used cheap, despicable tricks to lie further about his lying. No, actually, I go out of my way to mock a delusional madman with spittle flying from his mouth with enough force to achieve escape velocity. I’m also calling to question your cowardice in starting another thread, rather than responding to the evidence that Monty brought to light already. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/13 "2003-09-22T06:25:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\*This is his M.O., I’ve learned. > > And the colored text is oodles of fun, isn’t it? \*\* It’s deliciously ironic that here _you_ are defending lies and sexually inappropriate behavior! You vigorously defended legal child abuse, after all. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/14 "2003-09-22T06:25:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Futhermore, it’s Monty who needs to be called to accout, not me. By furthering that liar’s lie-filled thread, I’m forced to play in his ballpark, in which he uses still more lies to attack me because I called him on his lies. Get a grip. In your world, everyone who dares to disagree with you seems to be a reprehensible liar, and they all seem to be in on some evil plot or something to spread these horrible **LIES LIES LIES**. And you’re always beyond overwrought over the trauma of it all. You poor thing. Please. Give it a rest. The melodrama won’t fly here. Neither will the bright blue lettering. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/15 "2003-09-22T06:27:08Z")
**Ambush** , back up the little yellow bus, guy. Did you happen to miss **Monty’s** rant on you, made about 10 hours before this one? You know, the one you _responded to_? Or do you not remember posting in that thread, fun blue script and all? Do you always find yourself missing large chunks of the day? Might want to get some help for that. Or you could just lay off the booze. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/16 "2003-09-22T06:27:50Z")
I’ve seen better pits on my waitress at _Der Schnitzelbank_. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/17 "2003-09-22T06:31:54Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s deliciously ironic that here you are defending lies and sexually inappropriate behavior! You vigorously defended legal child abuse, after all. Ah, but everyone _else_ is the liar! But not you! Never you! :rolleyes: ambushed, I think your over-the-top tactics and tricks are going to get more attention now than they did in that previous thread. So, I’m just gonna sit tight—this should be fun. I don’t think the good folks in the Pit are going to give you a free pass. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/18 "2003-09-22T06:32:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > **No, actually, I go out of my way to mock a delusional madman with spittle flying from his mouth with enough force to achieve escape velocity.** You and Monty LIE through your loathesome, stinking teeth, I called you on it, and you both viciously attacked me for doing so. Yep, you’re the one to talk! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*I’m also calling to question your cowardice in starting another thread, rather than responding to the evidence that Monty brought to light already. \*\* EVIDENCE?? You call Monty’s cheap, flagrant lies “evidence”?? That tells me all I need to know about your lack of impartiality and honesty! The EVIDENCE proves that I told the truth and you two LIED! PROVE your stupid, laughably delusionary calumnies by showing exactly where I claimed that the PURPOSE of such interviews exist was for prurience and that such prurience was a factor in EVERY interview as the sub-moronic, lick-spittle LIAR Monty repeatedly claimed I did, or back the fuck off and admit you guys are LYING! ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/19 "2003-09-22T06:36:51Z")
Ah. It’s all so familiar. Big all caps, hysterical rhetoric and feverish accusations of LIES LIES LIES. Takes me back, it does. Good times. Good times. Good ol’ ambushed is back to his old tricks. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/20 "2003-09-22T06:38:34Z")
babe, once again you have no clue as to what you’re blathering about! As for the rest of you, why can’t you cite FACTS instead of so mindlessly attacking me for telling the truth? WHERE did I write, as Monty repeatedly lied: “the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.” What the fuck is wrong with you folks? Isn’t the truth an absolute defense? Why are you sticking up for such blatant and willful dishonesty from Monty and SPOOFE, etc? Why are you ignoring the facts? Stop blathering and TELL THE TRUTH!! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=2)