# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/201 "2003-09-23T11:10:44Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Steve Wright_I didn’t get a rebuttal. I didn’t get a single gratuitous personal slur. > > :: sniff :: > > Nobody likes me. I’m going to sit in a corner and eat worms now. Yeah, I posted in support of both **ambushed** and the truth which, as you know, I love. And did I get a single quote from **ambushed**? A single acknowledgement of being a fellow crusader for the truth, a campaigner against calumny? Did I fuck. I thought that I would get the same treatment as **Badzt Maru** , elevated to the status of one of the Few Posters Who Aren’t Liars, one of the Elect. **Steve** , you’re fucked either way with these bastards. Any room in that corner for a fellow pariah? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/202 "2003-09-23T11:25:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ambushed \* > **Your reading comprehension is virtually nil.** You said: > [@](#): > > Hell, maybe another honest, impartial person will post! I gave you my honest, impartial opinion. Why are you jumping over me? > [@](#): > > That’s an absolute LIE no matter how much you enjoy gang-banging me for kicks while evading the actual facts. Um, no, I don’t even know who you are. I have no beef with you. > [@](#): > > In little words for you reading-impaired fact-denialists, Monty lied and I didn’t. Ummm…OK. You need to make up your mind - did you really want an honest impartial person to post, or did you just want someone to give you the proverbial reach-around? > [@](#): > > Did you tell Monty that _he_ shouldn’t debate in the Pit? No, because he doesn’t appear to have delusions that the Pit == GD. > [@](#): > > Fancy that. No, I don’t, actually. But please, stop this meltdown here. You’re acting like the Board equivalent of an incontinent chihuahua who craps all over a white leather couch. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/203 "2003-09-23T12:44:34Z")
So, I’m not sure our buddy **ambushed** means gang-banger: In the South Central LA, pop-a-cap-in-yo-ass kinda way or In the multiple sex partner kind of way. A clarification would be appreciated. Because, if we are indeed gang-bangers in the thug sort of way, y’all be trippin thinkin you can creep up into my hood, and you best roll yo candy asses elsewhere. Nuff respect to tha pit of ultimate stupidity crew. Reprazent. :: pours 40oz out on the curb for ambushed :: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/204 "2003-09-23T13:36:09Z")
WTF is the loon (yes, ambushed, that’s certainly you) is on about with the “lying for the Lord.” Well, another good thing’s come out of this thread: yet another nifty saying. I refer to Una Persson’s use of “incontinent chihuahua.” ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/205 "2003-09-23T14:24:25Z")
It’s apparent here that **ambushed** is a drama queen. He doesn’t really care who’s right or wrong. This thread just gives him a reason to jump on his pedestal and smack off with such colorful epithets as “truth hater” and “lying liar” and my favorite, “sad, bitter, hateful, whining little wretch who is here for no other reason than pure, vicious vengeace.” See, this is how trolling is done, people. Use highhandded melodrama, not tasteless remarks. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/206 "2003-09-23T14:37:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sheerdee Light \* > \*\*My, my. What a deliciously wicked monumental rolling ball of misdirected bullshit have we here? Dear dopers, I lurked and laughed my ass off until I could stand no more! I want in! > > Sheerdee Light \*\* I smell socks ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/207 "2003-09-23T14:50:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ambushed \* > \*\*, or maybe I’m trolling \*\* do the higher ups know this? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/208 "2003-09-23T17:21:48Z")
HIIK, vanilla. BTW, when’s the last time you saw the word, “Morg” as used by Loony Lite earlier in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/209 "2003-09-23T18:56:29Z")
**Bunnyhurt** , the bitter Ute? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/210 "2003-09-23T19:13:59Z")
Thanks, Mr. B. How could I have forgotten that particular cretin? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/211 "2003-09-23T19:22:43Z")
Hey, Ambushed, you gonna respond to my last post? Y’know, the one that conclusively proves that you are, in fact, a liar? Allow me to quote the relevant portion again, JUST FOR YOU, because I think you’re so gosh-darn cute: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > “ **The LDS Church** ’s hatred of homosexuals and homosexuality is truly contemptible!” (not “The hatred some members of the LDS church…”) > > > > “I had a close gay Mormon friend who KILLED HIMSELF after **the Church** once again told him how wretchedly evil and God-hating he was merely by being gay!” (not “…Some members of the Church…”) > > Note that those are YOUR WORDS in quotation marks. That is what YOU WROTE. Those are GENERALIZATIONS that YOU USED. > > \ > > Care to explain just HOW those cites I mentioned above are NOT generalized condemnations of the Mormon church, and how they do NOT encompass each and every member therein? Explain how what I posted is a “lie”, or dishonest in any way, shape, or form. You wouldn’t be afraid of the truth, now, would you? You wouldn’t be afraid of keeping the record straight, would you? This is the third time you’ve seen these words - don’t deny it, I KNOW you saw them - but you’ve yet to address them. If you truly value truth, then no amount of lies would keep you from being able to reveal your truth. I could be the biggest liar in the world… that would make your job of explaining your words EASIER, wouldn’t it? Address my criticisms above, you dishonest little shit, or concede. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/212 "2003-09-23T19:23:53Z")
Vanilla scrawls: I smell socks Well, Vanilla, after several months of lurking I’ve been posting here for only a few days and have already been accused of being someone else. I suggest you contact the moderators-that-be and put your socks where your mouth is. Of course, you don’t have the rocks to check out your slander. Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/213 "2003-09-23T19:52:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sheerdee Light \* > \*\*Ryle Dup: > > Certain people(s) are suspiscious of you being a sock puppet. > > SDL: Really? What “people(s)”? > \*\* > > Yosemitebabe and Mr. B, although yosemite retracted her accusation. > \*\* > Ryle Dup: If this phrase is out of your vocabulary, it means that they believe that you are in fact, ambushed. > > SDL: Amuse me, and prove it.\*\* > > I said _they_ believe this, so no, I will not amuse you, nor attempt to prove it, because I never made the accusation.\*\* > Ryle Dup: > > Evidence to support this being > -Loony posting style > > SDL: You are of course, referring to, “Fucktard Soldier”, “Fucking bitch who hacked my hair”, otherwise general Pit bill o’ faire?\*\* > > I’m refering to your loony style of writing.\*\* > > Ryle Dup: > -Constant accusations / name calling > > SDL: And these gems: “rabid little jackass”, “that loon”, “total freaking loon”, “dumbass”, “moron”, etc?\*\* > > Reread your own posts, that’s what I was talking about.\*\* > > Ryle Dup: > -Ignorance > > SDL: Ignorance of what? The fact that some Mormon Bishops (not all) are indeed guilty of crossing the line of good judgement and cleanliness during TR Interviews, a fact that aurelian and jack@ass highlighted in their own comments? > \*\* > Try actually reading the other sides arguements. > \*\* > Ryle Dup: > > -The fact that you just registered now, and your first post is in the same thread. > > SDL: Ryle Dup, are you a moderator? If not, I strongly suggest that you check in with a moderator who certainly has the background information needed to refute your paranoid accusation, and that of other “people(s)” following which you are most free to apologize to a new member who chose the Pit as a starting place. Otherwise you’re blowing smoke out your ass.\*\* > > Piss off, no I’m not a moderator. However, I _never_ fucking made any accusation, and no, I won’t apologize to a new member for checking in and acting like a huffy, puffy, jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/214 "2003-09-23T20:14:41Z")
Is anyone else reminded of the recent pittings of **Aldebaran**? Just replace the word _liar_ with _childish_. Spooky, huh? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/215 "2003-09-23T20:50:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Monty re: “Morg”_ > \*\*Thanks, Mr. B. How could I have forgotten that particular cretin? \*\* I think I see where you’re going with this, BTW. Just a little thorny tying a delightful jackass rabbit to an **surprise attack** , among others. **Lord Ashtar** , yeah, seems a little _too_ creepy. I think Henry Baran has accomplished anastasis… ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/216 "2003-09-23T23:27:54Z")
Monty snorts: HIIK, vanilla. BTW, when’s the last time you saw the word, “Morg” as used by Loony Lite earlier in this thread? And when was the last time you attacked the issues presented to you, Monty, instead of the person directing you to evidence of abuse within “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”/Morg? Have you in dealt seriously with any of the documented evidence of abuse and power within the Morg? The tune goes something like this: Ex-Mormon’s lie Sexual abuse/misuse of power/authority in the Morg doesn’t exist The Mormon Alliance doesn’t exist The victims don’t exist And anyone who says otherwise is “insane” or someone else. Keep rolling that ball, Monty, you’re quite entertaining! Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/217 "2003-09-23T23:48:42Z")
A brief review of Ryle Dup’s rambling bullshit with embedded commentary by Sheerdee Light as “SDL New” ## quote: Originally posted by Sheerdee Light Ryle Dup: Certain people(s) are suspiscious of you being a sock puppet. SDL: Really? What “people(s)”? Yosemitebabe and Mr. B, although yosemite retracted her accusation. SDL New: Of course, she retracted it, Dup. It was a totally unsupported speculation! Can’t attack the facts, attack the person delivering them! Ryle Dup: If this phrase is out of your vocabulary, it means that they believe that you are in fact, ambushed. SDL: Amuse me, and prove it. I said they believe this, so no, I will not amuse you, nor attempt to prove it, because I never made the accusation. SDL New: And what are you, Dup? Their rumor toting go-fer? Ryle Dup: Evidence to support this being -Loony posting style SDL: You are of course, referring to, “Fucktard Soldier”, “Fucking bitch who hacked my hair”, otherwise general Pit bill o’ faire? I’m refering to your loony style of writing. SDL New: What’s “loony” about it? You really need to get a sense of humor, Dup. Ryle Dup: -Constant accusations / name calling SDL: And these gems: “rabid little jackass”, “that loon”, “total freaking loon”, “dumbass”, “moron”, etc? Reread your own posts, that’s what I was talking about. SDL New: Re-read the posts I referenced above, Dup. I look forward to your chiding those posters as well. Ryle Dup: -Ignorance SDL: Ignorance of what? The fact that some Mormon Bishops (not all) are indeed guilty of crossing the line of good judgement and cleanliness during TR Interviews, a fact that aurelian and jack@ass highlighted in their own comments? Try actually reading the other sides arguements. SDL New: The other side isn’t arguing, Dup. They’re blowing smoke out their collective asses. By all means join the herd! Ryle Dup: -The fact that you just registered now, and your first post is in the same thread. SDL: Ryle Dup, are you a moderator? If not, I strongly suggest that you check in with a moderator who certainly has the background information needed to refute your paranoid accusation, and that of other “people(s)” following which you are most free to apologize to a new member who chose the Pit as a starting place. Otherwise you’re blowing smoke out your ass. Piss off, no I’m not a moderator. However, I never fucking made any accusation, and no, I won’t apologize to a new member for checking in and acting like a huffy, puffy, jackass. SDL New: If you never made the accusation then stop carrying it. Didn’t you really mean to say… “I won’t apologize to a new member for checking in and acting like a huffy, puffy, jack ass in a sea of fucking jack asses?” The dickless bottom feeders in these shallow waters deserve everything I’ve said and more. I’ve yet to see Monty deal with any of the material presented to him on this thread with anything more than an off-hand one liner dodge. The accusations made by Yo babe and Mr. B are nothing more than an awesome display of whining cowardice and lack of integrity. I look forward to Mr. B’s moderator report! What a hoot! I’ll be glad to piss off when you fuck off! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/218 "2003-09-24T00:17:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\*I think I see where you’re going with this, BTW. Just a little thorny tying a delightful jackass rabbit to an **surprise attack** , among others. > > **Lord Ashtar** , yeah, seems a little _too_ creepy. I think Henry Baran has accomplished anastasis… \*\* Well, I don’t see where _this_ is going, at all. It might not be _exactly_ rude of you to conduct “insider” conversations, but it sure as hell is annoying. If you have information that is pertinent to this thread post it, don’t just hint at it. **vanilla** , _et al_. if **Sheerdee Light** is a sock puppet, or you suspect so, report him/her to a mod, don’t just crap on an already crapped thread – dare I say it, to repeat the accusation _ad nauseum_ could be seen as trolling. **SPOOFE** , someone argued elsewhere that it seemed “fair comment” (I paraphrase) to hold the _The LDS Church_ itself responsible for its avowed intolerance of homosexuality, why bring both points up again as unfair “generalisations”? ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/219 "2003-09-24T01:03:43Z")
Great Unwashed steps up to the plate: vanilla, et al. if Sheerdee Light is a sock puppet, or you suspect so, report him/her to a mod, don’t just crap on an already crapped thread – dare I say it, to repeat the accusation ad nauseum could be seen as trolling. I’ve requested at least 2 moderator reports concerning the gossip mongering comments made on this thread about me and have yet to see anyone with the rocks to deliver. The irrelevant shitheel Monty, is simply not capable of dealing with the cites, links and comments made to him concerning sexual abuse and misconduct in the LDS Church and others have simply formed a stuttering huddle around him. I’ve yet to see Monty deliver anything more than a cheap one-liner in response to his distortions or the evidence supplied to him. Is the evidence unproveable bullshit? Has anyone here come up with a decent counter that doesn’t include the word “loon” in their reply? Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/220 "2003-09-24T01:16:06Z")
I’m not going to bother with your attempts at refuting my previous arguements, because they still stand. I never accused you of being a sock puppet, I explained what Mr.B meant when he said something you did not understand. I’ll retract my statement that you’re a loon simply because the other posters can and will argue with you, and I have no wishes to be bothered by you. Good day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=12)