# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/21 "2003-09-22T06:41:17Z")
Good times, good times. I’m tellin’ ya. Fun fun fun. Count the all caps. Note the hysterics. Yep. Ambushed is right on track here with the over-the-top melodrama. But I know. I know. I just don’t understand the _grievous distress_ he feels over all the **LIES LIES LIES LIES!!!** _chuckle chuckle_ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/22 "2003-09-22T06:41:50Z")
Something good’s come out of this thread, though, Mr. B. I kind of enjoyed two phrases, one from the lunatic o’ the moment: > [@](#): > > it doesn’t matter a fetid pair of dingo’s kidneys & one from Spoof: > [@](#): > > a delusional madman with spittle flying from his mouth with enough force to achieve escape velocity Perhaps it’s the diet of fetid dingo’s kidneys that’s generating the spittle? {\<===Mere speculation} ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/23 "2003-09-22T06:43:00Z")
You’re right, Monty. Some good lines there. Good sig material for someone, I think. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/24 "2003-09-22T06:48:24Z")
Between **Beryl** ’s veritable Stars and Stripes blue-red-gray/white post and this assault of granny apple red and smurf blue, I’m wondering if the hamsters aren’t having a little of the happy hallucinating sauce, ifyaknowwhatimean. I mean, really, what are the odds that two people within a day of each other could … well, y’all have seen the posts. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/25 "2003-09-22T06:48:37Z")
What does **ambushed** have againt Mormons? Of all the various religious and ethnic groups out there, ripe for the mocking, why the hell would one pick on the Mormons? Puzzling. ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/26 "2003-09-22T06:48:51Z")
“Fetid dingo’s kidneys” is an appropriated Douglas Adams-ism. Not that its use is ever inappropriate or unwanted; just keeping credit where credit is due. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/27 "2003-09-22T06:50:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\*Ah. It’s all so familiar. Big all caps, hysterical rhetoric and feverish accusations of LIES LIES LIES. > > Takes me back, it does. Good times. Good times. Good ol’ ambushed is back to his old tricks. \*\* The rest of you might like to know that yosemitebabe’s raving, ignorant hatred derives from this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=206188](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=206188) Where she stupidly but vigorously defended siccing the cops on her and other kids if they dared to disobey her orders against peer intimacy. Her vapid, purely emotional arguments to the effect that juvenile imprisonment was better for kids than becoming intimate of their own accord was bested by the arguments of myself and others. We never interacted at any other time, and she was absolutely no part of the current debate. She’s simply lashing out based on her sad need for revenge. Pay her no mind. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/28 "2003-09-22T06:52:31Z")
**ambushed** , you’re impeaching the credibility of two **venerable** posters who have done noting but point out your _ **consistently** _ erratic behavior. BTW: Al Franken already has the trademark on Lying Liars. Just take a trip and buy a bottle of **whiskey** , go home, pour the bottle down the sink and huff into the paper sack for a while. Please. **For the children**. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/29 "2003-09-22T07:00:23Z")
err…_ **nothing** _. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/30 "2003-09-22T07:00:53Z")
Dare I ask? Exactly to what child abuse is the lunatic o’ the moment referring? ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/31 "2003-09-22T07:03:10Z")
Mr. B pretty much nailed it. Love the colored lettering, man. That’s a thing of beauty. ambushed so far has demonstrated “debating techniques” that are questionable at best and pathetically hilarious at worst. And yeah, I got a lovely taste of these techniques on another thread (which does not remotely resemble the bizarre write-up he gives it here). Most everyone had given up on that train-wreck of a thread by the time he’d come in, so only a choice few of us were treated to his melodramatic and hysterical temper tantrums. But hey! Now you _all_ get to enjoy it! Isn’t it _fun?_ Good times. I’m tellin’ ya. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/32 "2003-09-22T07:06:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\ ***ambushed** , you’re impeaching the credibility of two **venerable** posters who have done noting but point out your _ **consistently** _ erratic behavior. > > BTW: Al Franken already has the trademark on Lying Liars. Just take a trip and buy a bottle of **whiskey** , go home, pour the bottle down the sink and huff into the paper sack for a while. Please. **For the children**. \*\* And you’re rewarding liars for lying. How proud you must be! There is nothing “erratic” about being offended by vicious attacks and lies. If you folks had any grain of honesty, at least you would admit that Monty lied, without which this thread would not exist. But no. All you people have done is tried to display what you think of as “wit” but you have consistently evaded the facts, probably because they’re all against you. No one here has shown any regard whatever for the actual facts, and that tells me all I need to know about you folks in Pit land. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/33 "2003-09-22T07:08:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Dare I ask? Exactly to what child abuse is the lunatic o’ the moment referring? \*\* Hell, Monty, I posted the link! But don’t let facts get in your way. You certainly haven’t let the truth interfere with your hate-fueled lies and attacks against me. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/34 "2003-09-22T07:10:55Z")
Don’t you dare misquote me, **ambushed**. I never bolded impeaching. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/35 "2003-09-22T07:19:09Z")
> [@](#): > > why can’t you cite FACTS instead of so mindlessly attacking me for telling the truth? The fact is, you’re coming off as a spitting raving lunatic, whom people would edge away from if they met him (him?) on the street. It’s time to take a break, my friend. Seriously. I’m a past master at losing my temper on the Boards – ask around – but it’s never a good idea to go so entirely postal that it appears that, no matter how egregious and justified the complaint, the complainer is a histrionic irrational whack-job. Shake it off. Come back and post when you have enough of a grip to set out your opinions rationally and without COLORS or CAPS. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/36 "2003-09-22T07:21:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*What does **ambushed** have againt Mormons? Of all the various religious and ethnic groups out there, ripe for the mocking, why the hell would one pick on the Mormons? Puzzling. \*\* I have _nothing_ against the Mormons or the LDS Church as a whole! Please re-read the O.P. to learn the truth. I cited facts that show that, at times, official Mormon interviews – particularly those with young people – have crossed the line into intolerable sexual prurience. Again, read my O.P. for the truth. Here’s more evidence that what I quoted is the truth and is a significant problem, from [The Mormon Alliance](http://www.mormonalliance.org/) > [@](#): > > One disturbing thing that has been reported to us on a number of occasions is that when some bishops have conducted worthiness interviews with members of their ward they have asked questions regarding sexual matters that go far beyond the bounds of propriety. For example, one man reported to us that when he was young, both he and the girl he was going with felt they were becoming too intimate and went to the bishop for help. Instead of just giving the counsel they needed, the bishop questioned them at great lengths, asking all kinds of questions regarding what went on. The man described the questioning as “pornographic,” and said he felt that the bishop was actually enjoying the interrogation. > > Another woman reported to us that when she went to the bishop for a temple recommend she was questioned extensively regarding her sexual relations with her own husband. The questioning became very explicit. Finally, she informed the bishop that she felt the interrogation was highly improper and said that she would not answer any more questions without her husband being present. When she later discussed the matter with her husband, he stated that the bishop had not asked him about details of their sexual life. Instead, he had willingly given him a temple recommend! She, of course, felt that the bishop was grilling her to satisfy his own interest in sexual matters. > > The Mormon Alliance mentioned "a bishop [that lived in Oklahoma who] had been ‘legendary’ among the youth for asking sexually explicit questions during worthiness interviews. One young woman refused to be interviewed unless her father was present. The youth sarcastically nicknamed him ‘Bishop Triple-X’ because of the types of questions he asked, and his motto was, ‘You’re not worthy until I say you’re worthy.’ (Case Reports of the Mormon Alliance, Vol. 1, page 271, footnote 1) So get a grip, folks! Admit the fact that Monty lied. Or keep lying to yourselves along with the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/37 "2003-09-22T07:24:45Z")
How 'bout this: “Bad ideas decrease in value the deeper you examine them.” – Robert Park Or this one: “Please curb your dog.” – Central Park ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/38 "2003-09-22T07:27:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ambushed \* > \*\* WHERE did I write, as Monty repeatedly lied: “the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.” What the fuck is wrong with you folks? Isn’t the truth an absolute defense? Why are you sticking up for such blatant and willful dishonesty from Monty and SPOOFE, etc? > > Why are you ignoring the facts? > > Stop blathering and TELL THE TRUTH!! \*\* > [@](#): > > While I’m sure there’s ordinary variation from bishop to bishop, often a bishop will ask you some extremely private and personal questions which must be answered to their full gratifica…, er, satisfaction before being granted a recommend. You didn’t write it, but you clearly insinuated it. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/39 "2003-09-22T07:30:50Z")
Thank you, Jodi, for a sensible reply. You’re the first to offer one, and I appreciate it. Not that I can quite agree with your characterization of what I see as my perfectly legitimate anger at being attacked with such obvious lies, but _something_ has to explain the utter disregard for facts here, and perhaps you’re right that some people are ignoring the facts because they don’t like the fact that I’m actually expressing anger and outrage in the Pit (of all places!) ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/40 "2003-09-22T07:37:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*You didn’t write it, but you clearly insinuated it. \*\* I see. You’re some mystic who claims to be able to divine unwritten, non-existent claims from the _absence_ of words. I’m sure you have a nice tin-foil hat. I said exactly what I said and implied nothing more. Only a deliberate liar (like Monty, and yourself it would appear) could claim with a straight face that those words even \insinuate\ that it says “the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification”! Why do you feel so compelled to be so dishonest with the facts? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=3)