# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/81 "2003-09-22T12:15:01Z")
I’m off for now. I’ll respond to any more lies and misrepresentations tomorrow. Hell, maybe another honest, impartial person will post! In the meantime, please see the **only** on-point, intellectually honest post in this entire thread other than my own: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4014481#post4014481](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4014481#post4014481) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/82 "2003-09-22T12:24:32Z")
I think we need a new term on the SDMB. It would refer to situations in which a Pittor starts a thread in which he winds up looking more like a hysterical whack-job that the Pittee. I suggest the term [COLOR=orangered]ambushed. As in, "I think you’ve [COLOR=orangered]ambushed yourself with that one, you over-excited ferret-felcher, you. " Regards, Shodan p.s. **spooje** - does. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/83 "2003-09-22T12:32:07Z")
“Orangered”? That’s even better than “ambushed”! ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/84 "2003-09-22T12:40:25Z")
Reading this thread, one question springs to mind: Who is this **ambushed** person and how have I avoided his/her frothy-mouthed laugh-a-thon posts for four years until now? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/85 "2003-09-22T12:42:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ambushed \* > \*\*I see. You’re some mystic who claims to be able to divine unwritten, non-existent claims from the _absence_ of words. I’m sure you have a nice tin-foil hat. > > I said exactly what I said and implied nothing more. Only a deliberate liar (like Monty, and yourself it would appear) could claim with a straight face that those words even \insinuate\ that it says “the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification”! > > Why do you feel so compelled to be so dishonest with the facts? \*\* Umm…dude? You want an “honest impartial opinion” from a person who’s not involved and doesn’t really give a shit about either side? Tough, 'cause here it is. Your quote here: > [@](#): > > While I’m sure there’s ordinary variation from bishop to bishop, often a bishop will ask you some extremely private and personal questions which must be answered to their full gratifica…, er, satisfaction before being granted a recommend. certainly sounds to me like you are saying, in a snide manner, that the purpose of the interview is to allow the bishop to ask questions which they achieve some “gratifica(tion)” from. Your implication was quite clear in my reading of it as it stands, otherwise you would not have used the little half-word with elipses. My opinion is you were making a little dig and got called on it. My further impartial and disinterested opinion is that you just accept that and let it go. If you want to keep a debate/discussion on an entirely serious level, then don’t use little dramatic “slips” like that. You mock people for not knowing what you _really_ meant, when all we have to go on is your words posted here. Also, why are you expecting people in the Pit to debate the “facts”? This never ceases to amaze me. Just like how people post personal, heartrending stories here expecting sympathy and decorum, and are shocked when someone does a drive-by to flame them - you should not be surprised that few are going to debate your points logically here. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/86 "2003-09-22T13:33:17Z")
Badtz: Read Una Persson’s posting above. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/87 "2003-09-22T14:06:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by the raving one:_ > I am not engaged on some campaign against the LDS Church. & yet the links to the “true stories” about the LDS you provide are anti-LDS hate sites. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/88 "2003-09-22T14:08:31Z")
OK, I am an idiot. I never used color before. That should have read - > [@](#): > > I think we need a new term on the SDMB. > > It would refer to situations in which a Pittor starts a thread in which he winds up looking more like a hysterical whack-job that the Pittee. > > I suggest the term ambushed. > > As in, "I think you’ve ambushed yourself with that one, you over-excited ferret-felcher, you. " > > Regards, > Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/89 "2003-09-22T14:16:19Z")
The one thing that **ambushed** doesn’t realize is that nobody cares if he is correct or not. He very well may have had a point when this all started, but it got lost in all his huffin’ and a puffin’. Not to mention that **ambushed** has made a grave mistake by exposing one of his ‘hot buttons’. And he is not disappointing by dutifully dancing everytime somebody pushes it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/90 "2003-09-22T14:26:35Z")
adam: I see no valid point at all from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/91 "2003-09-22T14:34:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \ > > What is the meaning of this post? > Does it, or does it not, insinuate that bishops are asking private and personal questions for their own gratification?\*\* It insinuates that _some of the time_ this is true – it seems to me that **ambushed** has provided some citations to support this point of view, I guess it could be argued that they are not trustworthy, coming from “anti-LDS” sites (but then you’d hardly expect to find articles critical of LDS to be found on “pro-LDS” sites). It most definitely does not mean, nor insinuate, “that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of [the Bishop’s] gratification”, and this is the crux of the matter, **Monty** really did misrepresent what **ambushed** said, and now a thread of inconsequential drivel results. I sense some bandwagoning going on, which is not helpful – it makes it near impossible for the disinterested reader to understand what the fuck is going on. Whatever, **ambushed** , you seem to have allowed this or that slight to get to you – but this rant is not doing you any favours. I cordially recommend calling it a day. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/92 "2003-09-22T14:42:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ambushed \* > \*\*You and Monty LIE through your loathesome, stinking teeth, I called you on it, and you both viciously attacked me for doing so. Yep, you’re the one to talk! > > EVIDENCE?? You call Monty’s cheap, flagrant lies “evidence”?? > > That tells me all I need to know about your lack of impartiality and honesty! The EVIDENCE proves that I told the truth and you two LIED! > > PROVE your stupid, laughably delusionary calumnies by showing exactly where I claimed that the PURPOSE of such interviews exist was for prurience and that such prurience was a factor in EVERY interview as the sub-moronic, lick-spittle LIAR Monty repeatedly claimed I did, or back the fuck off and admit you guys are LYING! \*\* Mr. Manson! please calm down or we will have to sedate you. Also, if you’d posting the entire OP in blue, it would’ve been more believable. huh! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/93 "2003-09-22T14:44:36Z")
Got news for you, TGW: the raving loon did not put in “some” or “on occasion.” His little stunt was to insinuate–and quite clearly, at that–the recommend interview was to be providing gratification to the priesthood leader conducting the interview. I, therefore, did not misrepresent any of that fool’s crap. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/94 "2003-09-22T14:55:25Z")
Well, I don’t think we need to hear any more. The judges have made their decision. [sub]:: **friedo** reaches beneath a podium and withdraws an envelope :: [/sub] …And the winner for this year’s Jackie\* in the category Mormonism is: [sub]:: drumroll :: [/sub] **ambushed**! [sub]:: wild applause ::[/sub] Make your speech quick. You have to stop talking when the music starts. [sub] \*Jack Dean Tyler Memorial Award [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/95 "2003-09-22T15:20:23Z")
Has **Ambushed** been listening to too much Henry Rollins\*\*? > [@](#): > > And now you’re desperate > And in need of human contact > And then > You meet me > And you whole world changes > Because everything i say is everything you’ve ever wanted to hear > So you drop all your defenses and you drop all your fears > And you trust me completely > I’m perfect > In every way > Cause i make you feel so strong and so powerful inside > You feel so lucky > But your ego obscures reality > And you never bother to wonder why > Things are going so well > You wanna know why? > Cause i’m a liar > Yeah i’m a liar ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/96 "2003-09-22T15:21:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > **Got news for you, TGW: the raving loon did not put in “some” or "on occasion."** Uh! We could debate the semantic nuances of “often”, “occasionally”, and, “some of the time”, but you surely agree that none of them means either “universally”, or, “all of the time”? But do you know what, _even_ if **ambushed** had said “universally”, it still doesn’t follow that he asserts that the “gratification” _is_ the purpose for the interview. That would be akin to asserting that the purpose of baseball _is_ the seventh inning stretch. **ambushed** might have some anti-LDS axe to grind, this may be wholly without foundation based on some unsupportable prejudice, he might be the world’s leading fuckwit, he might be a raving loon, he might deserve to be pitted for all eternity for crimes against ths SDMB, I don’t know, but _he did not say what you said he said_. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/97 "2003-09-22T15:35:21Z")
We could debate the semantics of those words had they been used, TGW (I like the abbreviation–reminds me of "The George Washington); however, they weren’t used. And he sure did say what I said he did. That’s why I quoted it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/98 "2003-09-22T15:51:57Z")
Sorry, TGW: The loon o’ the day actually did say “often.” It’s still quite clear to me–and to others–that he did that to insinuate that the interview was being conducted to provide gratification–the child abuse he so foolishly ascribes to the bishopric. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/99 "2003-09-22T16:04:46Z")
I totally agree with you **ambushed**. None of them have even a passing acquaintance with the truth. They’ve lost it’s number and aren’t planning on calling directory enquiries. John Keats said that truth is beauty and beauty truth and something else about an urn. That probably means that the truth is fragile and beautiful and some people just can’t handle it, including Tom Cruise I think. I love the truth, me. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/100 "2003-09-22T16:07:57Z")
I should have said “its number”. Apologies to **jjimm** for incorrect use of the apostrophe and to the truth for dissing it with poor grammar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=6)