# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/141 "2003-09-23T01:43:54Z")
Boy, **ambushed** just doesn’t give up… ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/142 "2003-09-23T01:48:48Z")
Mr. B posits: Boy, ambushed just doesn’t give up… Mr. B, tell us, just exactly what was it that aroused you from your coma? There are no replies here from ambushed since last eve. To what are you referring? Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/143 "2003-09-23T01:59:45Z")
Sheerdee Light, you are all innocence as to what Mr. B is talking about? Completely unaware of what he might be implying? A little hard to swallow. I wanted to pop in and say that **Ryle Dup** has it right about that previous thread that ambushed alluded to. (And I appreciate Ryle Dup’s post on the matter.) Ambushed has completely warped the account of what that thread is about, and has never once behaved in anyway closely resembling rational. Ambushed has flatly (yes, I’ll dare to use the word) **LIED** about my stance on that thread. But will we ever hear him admit that? No. He’s too busy accusing everyone else of lying, and too busy using that colored text. That prior thread was already dying on the vine when ambushed started in on it, so most of you haven’t read it. (And it ended up as a nightmare anyway.) My opinion of ambushed was pretty well formed then, and he’s completely cemented my opinion now. And, for the record, I’ll repeat: He has lied, flagrantly, blatantly, bald-faced _lied,_ and yet he comes here and does more of it; all the while acting as if he is the put-upon victim on all counts. Whatever case he was trying to make has been lost in the hysterics, colored text, and (for me, anyway) his past history of blatantly lying. So there you go. That’s my take on it. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/144 "2003-09-23T03:24:20Z")
Yo babe, You wrote: Sheerdee Light, you are all innocence as to what Mr. B is talking about? Completely unaware of what he might be implying? As a matter of fact, babe, I didn’t know what Mr. B was referring to thus, the question mark at the end of the sentence. Little squiggly thing, look for it. You then wrote: A little hard to swallow. By all means, then, spit it out, babe. Are you looking for help? Here’s my best advice: 1. Fight your own battles. 2. Don’t drag other people into your problems. 3. Passive/aggressive doesn’t work on me. Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/145 "2003-09-23T03:56:23Z")
Passive-aggressive doesn’t work for me either, but you seem to be doing a pretty good job of it. And _dragging_ other people into _my_ problems? That’s a new one. “Fighting my own battles”? That’s an odd thing to say as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/146 "2003-09-23T04:11:48Z")
Yo babe, ``` And how did you miss *this* oddity? ``` Sheerdee to Mr. B: There are no replies here from ambushed since last eve. To what are you referring? Yo babe to Sheerdee Light: Sheerdee Light, you are all innocence as to what Mr. B is talking about? Completely unaware of what he might be implying? Ya, babe, imagine that… Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/147 "2003-09-23T04:34:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sheerdee Light \* > \*\* > > 1. Fight your own battles. > Sheerdee Light \*\* > [@](#): > > THREAD STARTER > **ambushed** [:rolleyes: Black, call me black.](http://www.goenglish.com/GoEnglish_com_ThePotCallingTheKettleBlack.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/148 "2003-09-23T04:37:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sheerdee Light \* > \*\*Yo babe, > > ``` > And how did you miss *this* oddity? > > ``` > > Sheerdee to Mr. B: There are no replies here from ambushed since last eve. To what are you referring? > Yo babe to Sheerdee Light: Sheerdee Light, you are all innocence as to what Mr. B is talking about? Completely unaware of what he might be implying? > > Ya, babe, imagine that… > Sheerdee Light \*\* Certain people(s) are suspiscious of you being a sock puppet. If this phrase is out of your vocabulary, it means that they believe that you are in fact, **ambushed**. Evidence to support this being -Loony posting style -Constant accusations / name calling -Ignorance -The fact that you _just_ registered now, and your first post is in the same thread. ---
**Author:** ![Computer\_Guru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Computer\_Guru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Computer_Guru)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/149 "2003-09-23T04:47:36Z")
I think you two should stop fighting. Why does the church have to be involved in this silly feud going on? Just put down your weapons and back away. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/150 "2003-09-23T04:47:45Z")
**ambushed** : _You suck, **Monty** poopypants LIAR._ **Sheerdee Light** : _Topo **Giiii** gio!_ (Your name wouldn’t happen to be Henry Baran, would it?) ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/151 "2003-09-23T05:11:30Z")
Ryle Dup: Certain people(s) are suspiscious of you being a sock puppet. SDL: Really? What “people(s)”? Ryle Dup: If this phrase is out of your vocabulary, it means that they believe that you are in fact, ambushed. SDL: Amuse me, and prove it. Ryle Dup: Evidence to support this being -Loony posting style SDL: You are of course, referring to, “Fucktard Soldier”, “Fucking bitch who hacked my hair”, otherwise general Pit bill o’ faire? Ryle Dup: -Constant accusations / name calling SDL: And these gems: “rabid little jackass”, “that loon”, “total freaking loon”, “dumbass”, “moron”, etc? Ryle Dup: -Ignorance SDL: Ignorance of what? The fact that some Mormon Bishops (not all) are indeed guilty of crossing the line of good judgement and cleanliness during TR Interviews, a fact that aurelian and jack@ass highlighted in their own comments? Ryle Dup: -The fact that you just registered now, and your first post is in the same thread. SDL: Ryle Dup, are you a moderator? If not, I strongly suggest that you check in with a moderator who certainly has the background information needed to refute your paranoid accusation, and that of other “people(s)” following which you are most free to apologize to a new member who chose the Pit as a starting place. Otherwise you’re blowing smoke out your ass. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/152 "2003-09-23T05:32:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > \*\*Reading this thread, one question springs to mind: > > Who is this **ambushed** person and how have I avoided his/her frothy-mouthed laugh-a-thon posts for four years until now? \*\* You stayed in the Pit of Ultimate Stupidity here, right where you belong. You’re just another gangbanger who has nothing but contempt for the facts. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/153 "2003-09-23T05:40:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Una Persson \* > **Umm…dude? You want an “honest impartial opinion” from a person who’s not involved and doesn’t really give a shit about either side?** That’d be great, but that certainly doesn’t describe you based on the fact-evading bullshit that follows… Tough, 'cause here it is. Your quote here: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Una Persson \* > **certainly sounds to me like you are saying, in a snide manner, that the purpose of the interview is to allow the bishop to ask questions which they achieve some “gratifica(tion)” from.** Your reading comprehension is virtually nil. Furthermore, the contemptible LIAR Monty didn’t say that. He said, and I quote: “You falsely stated that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.” That’s an absolute LIE no matter how much you enjoy gang-banging me for kicks while evading the actual facts. Finally, as I’ve already proven, Bishops _have_ asked questions which were so X-rated and filthy that prurience is the only rational explanation. In little words for you reading-impaired fact-denialists, Monty lied and I didn’t. And as for debating in the Pit, the moderator kicked Monty out after he lied again. So here we are. Did you tell Monty that _he_ shouldn’t debate in the Pit? No? Fancy that. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/154 "2003-09-23T05:47:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*& yet the links to the “true stories” about the LDS you provide are anti-LDS hate sites. \*\* I KNEW you were going to try to pass off that filthy lie! You are the very worst and most dangerous kind of liar – a “liar for the Lord”. For cretins like you, any fact that speak ill of the LDS Church in even the tiniest way can ONLY have come from “anti-LDS hate sites”! You’ve revealed EXACTLY who you are and just why you’re so adamant about lying through your filthy teeth. It’s appalling that anyone might imagine that you can be honest when it comes to defending your Church against any unpleasant facts, but the majority of the posters here have proven that they have no interest in the facts whatever and are just here for a gang-banging. Thank you for revealing your fact-hating biases! ---
**Author:** ![jack\_ss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@jack\_ss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack_ss)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/155 "2003-09-23T05:49:58Z")
> [@](#): > > SDL: And these gems: “rabid little jackass” > –Sheerdee Lite I do not now, nor have I ever had rabies. > [@](#): > > The fact that some Mormon Bishops (not all) are indeed guilty of crossing the line of good judgement and cleanliness during TR Interviews, a fact that aurelian and jack@ass highlighted in their own comments? > –Sheerdee Lite **Sheerdee** , you go back and read what I wrote [_right here_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=210889&perpage=50&highlight=mormon&pagenumber=2) and you will see that I reported _only my experience_. I did not speculate as to the mindset of the bishops who interviewed me. **Nothing** in what I wrote indicates that any of my bishops were “crossing the line of good judgement”. I would say that, given the nature of their questions and the wording and order in which they were asked, they were asking me a standard list of memorized questions for a teenager at the time. Chances are that that list of questions has changed since then. That’s not the point though. the point is that _I didn’t say_ that “some Mormon Bishops (not all) are indeed guilty of crossing the line of good judgement and cleanliness during TR Interviews”. I said that the mormon church has altered the focus of some of their teachings in order to present a more ‘mainstream’ appearance and that they no longer pride themselves on being ‘a peculiar people’ like they used to. You’re putting words in my mouth and that’s starting to piss me off. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/156 "2003-09-23T05:50:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > \*\*The one thing that **ambushed** doesn’t realize is that nobody cares if he is correct or not. He very well may have had a point when this all started, but it got lost in all his huffin’ and a puffin’. \*\* Ha! Did you see that contemptile LIAR Monty’s “hot-button” reaction to even that tiny little concession to honesty? How he hates the truth! How typical of him! ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/157 "2003-09-23T05:52:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*adam: I see no valid point at all from the OP. \*\* Oh, you see it all right. You’re not _that_ stupid (or are you?) You’re just too much of a LIAR to bring yourself to admit that you lied and that I have a valid point. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/158 "2003-09-23T05:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > \*\*It insinuates that _some of the time_ this is true – it seems to me that **ambushed** has provided some citations to support this point of view, I guess it could be argued that they are not trustworthy, coming from “anti-LDS” sites (but then you’d hardly expect to find articles critical of LDS to be found on “pro-LDS” sites). > > It most definitely does not mean, nor insinuate, “that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of [the Bishop’s] gratification”, and this is the crux of the matter, **Monty** really did misrepresent what **ambushed** said, and now a thread of inconsequential drivel results. > I sense some bandwagoning going on, which is not helpful – it makes it near impossible for the disinterested reader to understand what the fuck is going on. > Whatever, **ambushed** , you seem to have allowed this or that slight to get to you – but this rant is not doing you any favours. I cordially recommend calling it a day. \*\* Wow! Another honest poster here! That’s two so far. It’s so heartening to know that some people really can be dispassionate and honest and evaluate evidence fairly. As for your closing suggestion, you’re probably right. But running away from a fight – especially such an uneven one, such as truth vs. liars and gang-bangers – is something that I just can’t do. I sincerely appreciate and respect your advice, and I may well regret it, but I’m sticking this out. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/159 "2003-09-23T06:00:22Z")
jack@ass, My apologies! You are most certainly correct and I was most assuredly wrong and did, infact, misrepresent what you wrote! You never referred to Bishop interviews in your post on this thread. You did however, refer to attitudes towards homosexuality being regarded as a mental disease, and I should have qualified my thoughts with that quote and appropriate comments. Please accept my sincere apology. Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![jack\_ss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@jack\_ss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack_ss)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/160 "2003-09-23T06:01:12Z")
> [@](#): > > the moderator kicked Monty out after he lied again. > – **ambushed** I thought the mod closed the thread because the questions that **Knighted Vorpal Sword** asked had been answered and the discussion had degenerated to you spewing venom at **Monty** and him casting casual insults at you, two activities better suited for the pit. Now that it’s in the pit, you’ve come up with some really hilarious stuff. “Thank you for once again demonstrating that you are a juvenile crank who hates truth and has utter contempt for the facts. I expected nothing more from you.” That’s really good stuff. I’m just wondering…why is it that when **Sheerdee** is accused of being your sock puppet, you come back to the discussion? It’s kinda like never seeing Superman and Clark Kent in the same room at the same time…😕 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=9)