# Monty, you are a wretched LIAR! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033 "2003-09-22T02:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/161 "2003-09-23T06:02:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Got news for you, TGW: the raving loon did not put in “some” or “on occasion.” His little stunt was to insinuate–and quite clearly, at that–the recommend interview was to be providing gratification to the priesthood leader conducting the interview. > > I, therefore, did not misrepresent any of that fool’s crap. \*\* Yes, you did you filthy, despicable LIAR. The fact that you can’t own up to your misdeeds is just what I’d expect from a loathesome, shit-for-brains liar like you. You are beneath contempt. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/162 "2003-09-23T06:03:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > \*\*Well, I don’t think we need to hear any more. The judges have made their decision. > > [sub]:: **friedo** reaches beneath a podium and withdraws an envelope :: [/sub] > > …And the winner for this year’s Jackie\* in the category Mormonism is: > > [sub]:: drumroll :: [/sub] > > **ambushed**! > > [sub]:: wild applause ::[/sub] > > Make your speech quick. You have to stop talking when the music starts. > [sub] > \*Jack Dean Tyler Memorial Award > [/sub] \*\* Ane yet another stupid gang-banger who has no respect whatsoever for the truth. Sorry, but there’s no award for stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![jack\_ss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@jack\_ss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jack_ss)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/163 "2003-09-23T06:06:05Z")
OK, the 2 of you posted a minute apart…I guess that’s close enough. you could theoretically log off & log back on with another username in that amount of time (or have 2 PCs on a LAN), but to log off, refresh your IP address & log back on with another username, that would take more than one minute. I retract my insinuation that you are the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/164 "2003-09-23T06:06:05Z")
Criminy. & some folks wonder about my blood pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/165 "2003-09-23T06:06:48Z")
jack@ass poses the following: I’m just wondering…why is it that when Sheerdee is accused of being your sock puppet, you come back to the discussion? It’s kinda like never seeing Superman and Clark Kent in the same room at the same time… Well, jack@ass, is the concept of multiple posters posting simultaneously beyond your grasp? Don’t look now, honey, you might be accused of being me! Ha! Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/166 "2003-09-23T06:10:08Z")
It appear we have a dumbass cerberus here. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/167 "2003-09-23T06:12:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Sorry, TGW: The loon o’ the day actually did say “often.” It’s still quite clear to me–and to others–that he did that to insinuate that the interview was being conducted to provide gratification–the child abuse he so foolishly ascribes to the bishopric. \*\* Clearly, you suffer not only from severe reading and comprehension disabilities, you have a terminal case of lying through your teeth. You can’t read but I’m taking the heat for _your_ ignorance and addiction to deception. I’d advise you to re-read my OP but clearly you’re too stupid to be able to distinguish what I actually said from your own childish exaggerations. Here, again, is your LIE: “You falsely stated that the purpose of the temple recommend interview was for the purpose of gratification.” That is a deliberate, mean-spirited, hate-fueled LIE. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/168 "2003-09-23T06:12:54Z")
(I don’t think we’re supposed to be making comments or accusations about sock puppets here. I know I expressed my suspicions—sort of—but I shouldn’t have. Let’s take it to the mods.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/169 "2003-09-23T06:14:50Z")
Excepting, of course, for the minor fact of it not being a lie as it actually does accurate portray the venom you spewed. BTW, don’t stop the rainbow effect on my account. Apparently you’ve a fan or two of your art. ---
**Author:** ![Sheerdee\_Light](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sheerdee\_Light](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sheerdee_Light)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/170 "2003-09-23T06:15:15Z")
Yo babe, ``` I highly suggest that you DO take it to the mods. ``` Sheerdee Light ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/171 "2003-09-23T06:23:15Z")
Typo in my posting above: “as” should be “and” ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/172 "2003-09-23T06:23:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ryle Dup \* > \*\*While I may not agree with what she was advocating, that being a last ditch method for parents to reign out of control children, I believe you have extremely overexaggerated this. > > I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re still willing to concede something, so please take back your statement about yosemitebabe, and apologize, because what you said was nothing more than a baldfaced lie. > > I won’t even go into the horrible accusations and assumptions you made about her, but the essence of your post about her defending child-abuse is inherently wrong. Apologize for it. \*\* Very well. yosemitebabe, I apologize. I could have put your support for what experts say is psychologically and phyically harmful punishment for perfectly normal and natural behavior in more acceptable terms. I regret my failure to do so. However, Dup, you misread my comments and did not accurately represent them here, **so you owe me an apology**. If you check your facts, you’ll see that I always said “LEGAL child abuse”, i.e., child abuse by the legal system. Which is just what it is. See the data I provided in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/173 "2003-09-23T06:27:59Z")
I rarely (if ever) complain about how people spell my username, but Sheerdee Light, could you manage to spell out my entire name? If you don’t want to, that’s fine. I’ll just start calling you She Li, since I see no reason why you’d mind. (And actually, it _does_ sort of have a ring to it, doesn’t it?) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/174 "2003-09-23T06:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > ambushed wrote: > > I could have put your support for what experts say is psychologically and phyically harmful punishment for perfectly normal and natural behavior in more acceptable terms. I regret my failure to do so. Yeah, yeah, I’ll suppose I can accept that apology with the same half-hearted, somewhat begrudging spirit in which it was given. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/175 "2003-09-23T06:38:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jack@ss \* > \*\*I’m just wondering…why is it that when **Sheerdee** is accused of being your sock puppet, you come back to the discussion? It’s kinda like never seeing Superman and Clark Kent in the same room at the same time…😕 \*\* Ask the mods. You’re speculating out of your ass. I don’t think I’d ever even _heard_ the expression “sock puppet” before, but it’s a good one. I deny it, but you or some other sick fuck will probably take that as a guilty plea. Again, ask the mods. Unlike Monty and SPOOFE, I’m telling the truth. Telling the truth is power enough and doesn’t require “sock puppets”. I leave just such juvenile behavior to the gang-bangers and other loathesome assholes who write things like SPOOFE did: “In short, you are full of shit, you are a liar, you are a loud, obnoxious, psychopathic, irrational, delusional nut. You’re playing poker with 51 cards, you’ve misplaced your marbles, you’ve taken a flight right above the cuckoo’s nest, you need to tighten your screws, and many other metaphors to point out just how pathetic a grip on reality you have.” And some of you idiots are all over MY ass for abusive language! You gang-bangers are simply afraid of him. Typical. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/176 "2003-09-23T06:47:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Hmm…my two cents: > > Cent #1) Sweet Jeebus, **ambushed** , calm down! It’s just a bunch of bored slackers on a messageboard; who gives a shit what they think?\*\* Maybe I hate liars, or maybe I’m trolling to see just how cretinous and hateful these Pit yahoos are… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Cent #2) You guys baiting him are being both pettily vicious and inaccurate, IMO. There’s no way to honestly get from his quote to suggesting that the purpose of the interview is gratification. If I said, for example, that there’s variation from gym teacher to gym teacher, but often male gym teachers ogle high-school girls, I might be talking out my ass – but that’s not at all the same as saying that the purpose of high-school gym class is to let adult men ogle high-school girls. **Monty** was, to be charitable, engaging in hyperbole. > > I don’t know what run-ins people have had in the past with him.\*\* I don’t recall any run-ins with anyone about Mormonism here, but I’ve been here a long time, so I don’t know for sure. I tend to doubt it, though. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*But in this particular case, **Monty** owes **ambushed** an apology for misrepresenting (either deliberately or unintentionally) what the boy was saying, and **ambushed** owes everyone an apology for freaking out all over them. > > And you better believe I’m holding my breath until these apologies come… > > Daniel \*\* It’s so refreshing when a poster like you actually shows such clear respect for intellectual integrity. At least in here, you’re part of a very small and elite group. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/177 "2003-09-23T06:49:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > \*\*It insinuates that _some of the time_ this is true – it seems to me that **ambushed** has provided some citations to support this point of view, \*\* You know what? I agree. That could be exactly what he meant. And if he said that, or maybe “I was using hyperbole” or “I think you misread that” or “what I meant there was _this_” or anything like that, I would have said “OK then”. Because, really, I could give a shit what anyone’s views on any given church are. I got no horse in that race. BUT, he came back with "LIAR!!! I did not write that. EVER!!! Truth-evader!!! Ja’ Accuse!!! and on and on and on, ad nauseum…showing himself to be the asshole **Monty** claims he is. You know that **if** it seemed to you that his insinuation was that it was a general practice, he’d be calling you a liar too. Not that you were of a different and ill-informed opinion, but a wretched liar. You see what I’m getting at? ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/178 "2003-09-23T06:55:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*I do not owe that loon an apology. \*\* No, you don’t owe any “loon” an apology. You owe ME an apology. And if you don’t know that in your heart of hearts, you’re even more hopelessly dishonest than I’d thought. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/179 "2003-09-23T06:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > spooje wrote: > > You know that if it seemed to you that his insinuation was that it was a general practice, he’d be calling you a liar too. Not that you were of a different and ill-informed opinion, but a wretched liar. spooje: No, he’d be a wretched liar, lying through his _stinking teeth._ Can’t leave out the “stinking teeth” part. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033/180 "2003-09-23T07:05:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\*spooje: No, he’d be a wretched liar, lying through his _stinking teeth._ > > Can’t leave out the “stinking teeth” part. \*\* I keep forgetting that. You know. I’d like to get through ONE thread without being called a wretched liar with stinking teeth, dammit!! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-are-a-wretched-liar/203033.md?page=10)