# Monty, you can kindly and publicly apologize to me in here. It’s a safe space. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107 "2019-09-12T15:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/41 "2019-09-13T04:43:36Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Uh huh, right, I’m spoofing my IP and posting only at night US time just to get around a previous ban. > > That’s plausible, but stupid as fuck. No one has accused you of not being stupid as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/42 "2019-09-13T04:47:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Southeast Asia, huh? Well, I suppose I _could_ make all kinds of unsavory insinuations about you and why you are there, all of those without any evidence whatsoever. You know, just exactly like you did about Ms. Omar. But I shan’t. Take a wild guess or three why I shan’t. Oh but you alluded to it. A half step away from accusing me of having an unsavory character. Of course I could do the same, insinuations being the bitch that they are. English Teachers having some of the worst reputations of all expats in SEA and China, generally being considered as poverty, low class, low paid, token caucasians bringing faux glamour to teaching institutions. But I shan’t. Because I don’t know you. Only reason I’ve gone this far is because you’re so keen on throwing shit like an angry chimp. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/43 "2019-09-13T05:07:10Z")
There is zero possibility you are not a trock. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/44 "2019-09-13T05:11:48Z")
If the issue was important enough, somebody could check the giraffe boards to see who’s started chortling about how awezomely lulzastic his trollerly is going. I shan’t, myself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/45 "2019-09-13T05:14:52Z")
> [@](#): > > …stupid as fuck. Fuck is not stupid. Goddess designed us for smart but we weren’t making babies so She had to tweak the programming. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/46 "2019-09-13T05:23:00Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Oh but you alluded to it. A half step away from accusing me of having an unsavory character. > > Of course I could do the same, insinuations being the bitch that they are. English Teachers having some of the worst reputations of all expats in SEA and China, generally being considered as poverty, low class, low paid, token caucasians bringing faux glamour to teaching institutions. > > But I shan’t. Because I don’t know you. Only reason I’ve gone this far is because you’re so keen on throwing shit like an angry chimp. **Monty** has since posted since you falsely accused him of flouncing. Where’s the apology like the one you so vehemently demanded? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/47 "2019-09-13T05:41:47Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > **Monty** has since posted since you falsely accused him of flouncing. Where’s the apology like the one you so vehemently demanded? I don’t know about the rest of you, but **my** socks don’t apologize to me for having holes in them, and I don’t expect them to. I just toss them away and forget them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/48 "2019-09-13T06:12:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t know about the rest of you, but **my** socks don’t apologize to me for having holes in them, and I don’t expect them to. I just toss them away and forget them. Sacred silent socks? Holy hushed hosiery? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/49 "2019-09-13T06:16:15Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Oh but you alluded to it. A half step away from accusing me of having an unsavory character. > > Of course I could do the same, insinuations being the bitch that they are. English Teachers having some of the worst reputations of all expats in SEA and China, generally being considered as poverty, low class, low paid, token caucasians bringing faux glamour to teaching institutions. > > But I shan’t. Because I don’t know you. Only reason I’ve gone this far is because you’re so keen on throwing shit like an angry chimp. In _China_? Hahahaha! You must not be aware of the visa requirements for English teachers in this country. But, hey, that’s no surprise for a trock like you. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/50 "2019-09-13T08:02:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > In _China_? Hahahaha! You must not be aware of the visa requirements for English teachers in this country. But, hey, that’s no surprise for a trock like you. Oh do tell how ungodly hard your precious Educational visa is when all the Universities actually care about is having a white person to sell their curriculum to the masses. Any moron can take the TEFL courses and make $2k/Month teaching the Chinese to say “cat” and “dog” if they are a white person from the west. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/51 "2019-09-13T08:12:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Troll or not, the fact that you got so upset that you needed to start a new thread (rather than just replying in the one where he messed up) doesn’t make it seem you’ll last very long here. If you’re not a proper troll, you’re clearly trolling for attention. > > Oh, and FYI, demanding an apology from me is one way to guarantee I will not give you one, as I believe forced apologies are worthless. I see that **Monty** is more magnanimous than me. Didn’t care much for the apology, wasn’t heartfelt enough. It’ll need more groveling. Tears would be good. I’ll also take payment via transferwise to compensate me for the slander I’ve suffered at the hands of all these tolerant and inclusive people who are clearly extremely tolerant and inclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/52 "2019-09-13T08:17:10Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, I’ll apologize for misunderstanidng the mod in the troll’s thread I linked to. So, in this case and this case alone, the lying sack of shit (that would be Annoyed (fool is using the wrong form of the word, too; it should be Annoying, and yes with a capital A)) actually got one right. Going by the rest of his posting history here, yes, he’s still a liar. > > Also, as noted, I live in Beijing and not only is there a time difference, today’s a holiday, so I’m just casually perusing the boards at the moment. > > Am I angry at Annoyed? Nope, never have been either. Just not impressed. He’s done a lot of lying (I give you his first post as the kickoff for that) and projection onto others, so yes he’s still a liar. > > Hey, Annoyed! Here you go: I’m sorry I said you lied about the one fucking thing you didn’t lie about. And since I’n neither a troll nor a sock, nothing in my posting history, and certainly not with my first post, raises a red flag for the mods. Maybe you should try that. Still doubling down on the liar accusation. Post one thing IVE said that was a lie. You can’t, because I haven’t posted a lie. My opinions and observations are not lies no matter how much you might dislike them and how obsessively furious they make you. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/53 "2019-09-13T09:10:08Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Still doubling down on the liar accusation. Post one thing IVE said that was a lie. > > You can’t, because I haven’t posted a lie. My opinions and observations are not lies no matter how much you might dislike them and how obsessively furious they make you. One of your lies is that you’re not a sock puppet. You are quite obviously a sock puppet. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/54 "2019-09-13T09:40:34Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Didn’t care much for the apology, wasn’t heartfelt enough. It’ll need more groveling. Tears would be good. I’ll also take payment via transferwise to compensate me for the slander I’ve suffered at the hands of all these tolerant and inclusive people who are clearly extremely tolerant and inclusive. You may find it interesting to read about the [Paradox of Tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance). > [@](#): > > Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/55 "2019-09-13T09:54:39Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > One of your lies is that you’re not a sock puppet. You are quite obviously a sock puppet. You may think that, and it’s rather understandable really, but I’m not. This forum is old, the software is old, Ive been posting on other forums for years so jumping over here was nothing. I specifically started actively posting here because I liked the idea of “the pit” and that it seems to be a little hive of leftwing extremism, which I find interesting & amusing. In short, no, I’m not a liar. Calling me one over and over doesn’t make it true. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/56 "2019-09-13T10:02:08Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You may think that, and it’s rather understandable really, but I’m not. This forum is old, the software is old, Ive been posting on other forums for years so jumping over here was nothing. > > I specifically started actively posting here because I liked the idea of “the pit” and that it seems to be a little hive of leftwing extremism, which I find interesting & amusing. > > In short, no, I’m not a liar. Calling me one over and over doesn’t make it true. Nyah, you gave yourself away, socky. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/57 "2019-09-13T10:03:54Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You may find it interesting to read about the [Paradox of Tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance). A rather convenient justification though isn’t it. Label everyone who isn’t lockstep as intolerant and you’re off to the races, hypocrisy be damned. It gives you (in your mind) a pass to be exactly what you hate in others, even when they are telling you directly what they are about, you ignore it. Hate anyone on the right? You’re a textbook bigot. Dislike whole swaths of people for one common reason? Bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/58 "2019-09-13T10:51:38Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > A rather convenient justification though isn’t it. Label everyone who isn’t lockstep as intolerant and you’re off to the races, hypocrisy be damned. > > It gives you (in your mind) a pass to be exactly what you hate in others, even when they are telling you directly what they are about, you ignore it. > > Hate anyone on the right? You’re a textbook bigot. Dislike whole swaths of people for one common reason? Bigotry. Since the Right is firmly and openly on the side of fascism and white supremacy, It appears even the rank and file don’t find those views abhorrent enough to disavow them. What’s _not_ to dislike? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/59 "2019-09-13T11:08:00Z")
Well, I’m not working in a language institute. Also, there are quite a few Black and even brown foreigners working where I do. So there you go, liar. p.s. I’m in China on an employment visa, not educational visa. Yet again, you are a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107/60 "2019-09-13T11:08:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > **Since the Right is firmly and openly on the side of fascism and white supremacy** It appears even the rank and file don’t find those views abhorrent enough to disavow them. > > What’s _not_ to dislike? Oh lookie, I get to barf up the same retort you gave me in a different thread: Care to backup these lies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/monty-you-can-kindly-and-publicly-apologize-to-me-in-here-it-s-a-safe-space/840107.md?page=4)