# moonshot925 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747 "2012-09-15T00:27:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/61 "2012-09-16T14:53:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Excuse me while I go have a laughing fit. …in your bunk, with one hand. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/62 "2012-09-16T20:32:02Z")
Curse that wretched reality, for obstinately refusing to conform to your fantasies! ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/63 "2012-09-16T23:52:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I looked again, you are still 100% wrong regarding the science behind the global warming issue. Point being that you are really stupind if you think that is my motto, the closest real thing I do is “I post links to the science, and one can identify the cowards that do not want to deal with it in an instant.” Sorry bud, but you are a knee jerk whack job who cannot form a rational argument on your own and must rely on others for every single thought that runs through your head. You are to science what Milli Vanilli is to music. Your insistence to turn every fucking thread into a global warming debate shows your obsessive need to parrot a doomsday scenario so that you can feel all warm inside about being on the ‘right’ side and doing your part to fend off the upcoming (fictional) end of the world as we know it. You have, simply, drunk the Kool-Aid and unquestioningly accept anything that fits your present obsession and ignore anything that doesn’t fit your gloom and doom fantasies. And you have the balls to quote Richard Feynman who would, were the man still alive, call the ‘science’ of climate change a giant load of shit due to bad models, incredibly bad data collection and the down right terror these scientist show when asked to release their data. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/64 "2012-09-17T00:02:24Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > And you have the balls to quote Richard Feynman who would, were the man still alive, call the ‘science’ of climate change a giant load of shit due to bad models, incredibly bad data collection and the down right terror these scientist show when asked to release their data. You pretty much instantly discredited yourself with that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/65 "2012-09-17T00:04:26Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Sorry bud, but you are a knee jerk whack job who cannot form a rational argument on your own and must rely on others for every single thought that runs through your head. You are to science what Milli Vanilli is to music. > > Your insistence to turn every fucking thread into a global warming debate shows your obsessive need to parrot a doomsday scenario so that you can feel all warm inside about being on the ‘right’ side and doing your part to fend off the upcoming (fictional) end of the world as we know it. > > You have, simply, drunk the Kool-Aid and unquestioningly accept anything that fits your present obsession and ignore anything that doesn’t fit your gloom and doom fantasies. Well, you just demonstrate that you are an idiot, the meta point I always make is that I’m not an expert on it and I also do mention that depending on an anonymous poster on the internet is silly, therefore it is what the scientists say that is important, and **when Republican scientists are in despair for what the Republicans in congress are doing** you are stupid to continue to assume that I decided to take many conservaloons on this subject to task just for their political leanings. > **[Response to Wall Street Journal 16](https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/response-to-wall-street-journal-16/)** > > The Wall Street Journal posted yet another op-ed by 16 scientists and engineers, which even include a few climate scientists(!!!).  Here is the editor’s note to explain the context. Editor… > [@](#): > > 1. The WSJ authors further imply that the “scientific establishment” is out to quash any dissent. So even if almost all the papers about climate change go along with the consensus, maybe that’s because the Evil Empire is keeping out those droves of contrarian scientists that exist… somewhere. > > The WSJ authors give a couple examples, both of which are ridiculous, but I have personal experience with the Remote Sensing article by Spencer and Braswell, so I’ll address that one. The fact is that Spencer and Braswell published a paper in which they made statistical claims about the difference between some data sets without actually calculating error bars, which is a big no-no, and if they had done the statistics, it would have shown that their conclusions could not be statistically supported. They also said they analyzed certain data, but then left some of it out of the Results that just happened to completely undercut their main claims. This is serious, serious stuff, and it’s no wonder Wolfgang Wagner resigned from his editorship–not because of political pressure, but because he didn’t want his fledgling journal to get a reputation for publishing any nonsense anybody sends in. > > The level of deception by the WSJ authors and others like them is absolutely astonishing to me. > > Barry > [@sleestak](#): > > And you have the balls to quote Richard Feynman who would, were the man still alive, call the ‘science’ of climate change a giant load of shit due to bad models, incredibly bad data collection and the down right terror these scientist show when asked to release their data. > > Slee And I have the balls because as usual it is guys like you that chicken out, produce a cite for those bad models and bad data collection, after what the skeptical scientist Muller and BEST did when they checked for that mythical bad data (hint: they found virtually none of it being bad) it is really clear that you are still in lala land. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/66 "2012-09-17T00:43:59Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Sorry bud, but you are a knee jerk whack job who cannot form a rational argument on your own and must rely on others for every single thought that runs through your head. You are to science what Milli Vanilli is to music. Your insistence to turn every fucking thread into a global warming debate shows your obsessive need to parrot a doomsday scenario so that you can feel all warm inside about being on the ‘right’ side and doing your part to fend off the upcoming (fictional) end of the world as we know it. > > You have, simply, drunk the Kool-Aid and unquestioningly accept anything that fits your present obsession and ignore anything that doesn’t fit your gloom and doom fantasies. > > And you have the balls to quote Richard Feynman who would, were the man still alive, call the ‘science’ of climate change a giant load of shit due to bad models, incredibly bad data collection and the down right terror these scientist show when asked to release their data. > > Slee You don’t know it, but you’re not a smart person. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/67 "2012-09-17T02:14:47Z")
Coud you please get back to bashing **moonbat**? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/68 "2012-09-17T03:04:50Z")
Yeah, he may not be around to bash much longer. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/69 "2012-09-18T01:15:41Z")
I was pretty impressed at digging up a Clinton-bashing thread _from the Clinton administration_, just to add his own one-liner. This is just the kind of break the Dole campaign is waiting for! ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/70 "2012-09-19T22:10:48Z")
> [@rand rover](#): > > sam!! I don’t recall seeing you in the pit before. I thought the deal was that you would do the well-thought-out gd posts and i would get my yucks and tweak the squares in the pit. I guess we should discuss further at the next righties of the sdmb meeting. moron alert! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/71 "2012-09-19T22:39:34Z")
Why do guys like moonshot925 set so many folks off on this board?? I mean, why not just ignore him or her instead of enabling them with threads like this or merely responding to them in a GD thread. If you don’t respond to them, they will dry up and go away. (besides, I’d say John was right…guy will be banned before the snow falls :p) ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/72 "2012-09-19T23:31:19Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Why do guys like moonshot925 set so many folks off on this board?? I mean, why not just ignore him or her instead of enabling them with threads like this or merely responding to them in a GD thread. If you don’t respond to them, they will dry up and go away. **moonshot** seemed to think s/he was arguing from facts at some points, possibly based on an ‘inherited’ hatred of Democrats, Bill Clinton, or anyone who is not an ignorant American Protestant of primarily European descent. I’m not sure which. Some people, when forced to acknowledge their ‘facts’ are wrong can be brought forth into the light of reason. Besides, it was more fun that arguing with the radio. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/73 "2012-09-20T00:06:58Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Why do guys like moonshot925 set so many folks off on this board?? I mean, why not just ignore him or her instead of enabling them with threads like this or merely responding to them in a GD thread. If you don’t respond to them, they will dry up and go away. > > (besides, I’d say John was right…guy will be banned before the snow falls :p) Because somebody is wrong on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/74 "2012-09-20T00:28:59Z")
> [@XT](#): > > (besides, I’d say John was right…guy will be banned before the snow falls :p) Where John and I live the snow never falls. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/75 "2012-09-20T04:44:13Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No matter that your name is brought up as some kind of benchmark for retarded knee jerking. We also remember a baseballl player named Mendoza as well, for analogous reasons. Hey! Mendoza was my childhood hero! j/k, but he was a decent shortstop ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/76 "2012-09-20T22:23:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Where John and I live the snow never falls. :eek: Looks like I’m going to be fucked as well. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/77 "2012-09-20T22:47:49Z")
Actually I think\*\* moonshot\*\* is sincere, his debate skills are just really outclassed. If he changed his name to **Hanlon’s Razor** I think he’d stop getting pitted. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/78 "2012-09-20T23:05:15Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Actually I think\*\* moonshot\*\* is sincere, his debate skills are just really outclassed. If he changed his name to **Hanlon’s Razor** I think he’d stop getting pitted. I would disagree. I think his command of facts is outclassed. If you notice, he is pretty good at slowly backing away from a position, without openly admitting he is wrong. He is also good at getting people all fired up about trivialities and side issues. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/79 "2012-09-20T23:19:22Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I would disagree. I think his command of facts is outclassed. If you notice, he is pretty good at slowly backing away from a position, without openly admitting he is wrong. He is also good at getting people all fired up about trivialities and side issues. Ok, but if hes sincere he’s just stupid if he isn’t he is a troll. I know a few people that don’t admit when they’re wrong or change topics to side issues when they know their position is untenable. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747/80 "2012-09-21T00:09:05Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I would disagree. I think his command of facts is outclassed. If you notice, he is pretty good at slowly backing away from a position, without openly admitting he is wrong. He is also good at getting people all fired up about trivialities and side issues. > [@Sitnam](#): > > Ok, but if hes sincere he’s just stupid if he isn’t he is a troll. I know a few people that don’t admit when they’re wrong or change topics to side issues when they know their position is untenable. I think trolling is the most likely diagnosis, in the GD thread on “Trusting historians” this clueless and clearly trolling bit was posted: > [@Can we really trust Historians?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-really-trust-historians/635147/29): > > Russia (USSR) was not crucial to winning WW2. Even the mod in Great Debates told him that he was thread shitting there, if he continues like that I think that he will be gone before the month ends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moonshot925/634747.md?page=5)