# MoP-ing up after the Cataclysm: Updated WoW General Discussion 8/22/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 22, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256 "2012-08-22T06:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/581 "2013-02-08T21:54:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Also, Woohoo! Knights Who Say Ja is level 11! Yep! Mobile banking! Which reminds me…Heshang has NO access to the GV. I can’t even SEE anything in there, let alone access it. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/582 "2013-02-08T22:04:02Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Over in Stoneplow, near the wall? I’m looking for those 5 students that I’m supposed to help kill one each of those big bug things (“Students No More”). Checked WoWHead and they said I had to be patient and that they’re probably dead somewhere, but some of those bugs are elites and they killed **Wolkie** last night. I’m dangerously close to those guys looking for the students, so I expect to engage them, but they’re kicking the teetotal shit out of us. Any tips? > > Thanks, guys! > > Quasi My recollection from running that quest recently is that sometimes you’ll find the NPCs dead and the mob that killed them on top of them. They won’t respawn until the mob that killed them is dead, and then they pop right up and you’re good to go. They’re supposed to be monks, but they act like hunters feigning dead. 😛 So yeah, you may have to tangle with an elite to free them to start your quest. Or you can leave and come back at another time, after which they may have reset (or been reset by another player.) I was lucky last time out: The only mob “camping” them was the last non-elite of a large crowd, so he was easy to clear out and reset the NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/583 "2013-02-08T22:10:38Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Hmmm…it’s been a few months since I did that quest, so I’m working with holes in my memory by now, but I remember kind of swinging wide around the funky-looking area until I got back by the wall, then moving in very cautiously to the infected area. I think all of those mobs off to the side are normal, not elite. I can’t remember how the students appeared, though…whether they’re like companions who suddenly appear when you enter an area or if they’re already out there fighting independently. I do remember that it didn’t seem all that difficult/dangerous to me, but then I did it as a Death Knight. It appears to me that they phase in as soon as you get the quest, but they aggro any nearby baddies and can die if they pick the wrong one (or the wrong crowd). By the time you find them, they may already be dead, and you have to “rescue” them by killing whatever bug did them in. If you find them alive, odds are good you’ll have to help them fight whatever critters they pissed off, and if it’s one of the elite Commander bugs, that can be challenging unless you’ve already outleveled or outgeared the quest. After that, they’ll start from wherever they are to their first quest objective NPC (of course aggroing every mob in the way, so you’ll probably have a good 2-3 fights before you get there). Yeah. The quest can be painful and frustrating, especially if you don’t have much self-healing. And the NPCs don’t wait for nothin. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/584 "2013-02-08T22:50:50Z")
Just chiming in to agree with everyone else on that quest Quasi. Once I get the students I had no trouble at all. Got a little annoying fighting the bugs when running from Elite to Elite but I never had a health problem on my monk. Also the end of this quest chain is super awesome. I was saying “wow this is awesome” as I was playing it. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/585 "2013-02-08T23:14:38Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Hmmm…it’s been a few months since I did that quest, so I’m working with holes in my memory by now… Better than working with holes in your holes, like me! HAW-HAW-HAW!:D;) No access to the GV? I’ll fix that for you in a bit. **Rik** , yeah, I’ll be on Saturday for sure. Thanks, **Drunky** and **gnoitall** for the help, too! I’ll have to try that mobile banking tonight and thanks **jay** and **Rik** for getting us there!🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/586 "2013-02-09T01:05:51Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > OK, everybody knows this, right? > > Go to Stormwind, find the Pandaran camp, and find the baby panda cub Meng Meng. Squee at her cuteness. Then /hug her. > > Eat the bamboo shoot she gives you, and squee at yourself. > > This broke my 6 year old daughter’s brain. OMG! I did not know that and I just now tried it. So cute! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/587 "2013-02-09T01:14:18Z")
How does one “squee”? Do you write it with a slash in front? Q ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/588 "2013-02-09T03:08:38Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > With Patch 5.1 nerfs to oldsk00l raid mechanics, I’ve been trying my hand at soloing Classic raids on my hunter. ilevel 468, so not uber geared, but then again even blues and ghetto epics massively outgear stuff you outlevel by 30 levels. > > I oneshotted AQ40 in a single evening. Almost never fell below 90% health. I was sad, in a way. A lot like when I realized I could defeat my Dad at basketball. A little more like when I realized my own sons could do the same to me. > > I remember trying, and failing, repeatedly to get through Temple back when I was a n00b 60 huntard. It was HARD. Hey hey! How did you do the twins? I was so not prepared for that battle - I didn’t kill the Guardians before the room and then I didn’t know one twin was immune to magic and the other to melee. I died, and when I rezzed and went back, the door was sealed so I couldn’t attempt again. For BWL, remember to dismiss your pet at the start, you can’t control Chromaggus with it out. I had a bit of trouble until someone pointed out using the Exhilaration ability, which will heal him up to 100%. Molten Core is dead simple, no trouble there. I was just running through the raid, picking up all the adds and finally decided I should probably stop and kill stuff since I aggroed a boss and he was part of the enemy entourage. I’m currently on my quest for Mr. Bigglesworth. I’m 4/12 for [Raiding With Leashes](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=7934). I haven’t attempted Naxx yet, that’s the one that scares me. Soloing Wrath raids? Eeep! The highest level raid I’ve solo’ed is Tempest Keep. Speaking of Tempest Keep: fuck status effects! Hate hate hate hate hate! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/589 "2013-02-09T04:23:00Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > How does one “squee”? Do you write it with a slash in front? No, you do it in real life, like this: [http://mister-rik.com/hosted/squeeee.jpg](http://mister-rik.com/hosted/squeeee.jpg) (Yeah, I posted that a couple years ago in the Cata thread…) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/590 "2013-02-09T04:33:35Z")
Okay, well I have the bear highlighted in green, typed /squee, but nothing’s happening. I’ll go back and try the hug. ETA: Okay, that did it. Thanks, **Rik**! Q ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/591 "2013-02-09T05:21:49Z")
I hit level 85 with my Paladin last week. > **[World of Warcraft](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/)** > > Join thousands of mighty heroes in Azeroth, a world of magic and limitless adventure. Wow, the Cataclysm quests give so much more gold. I’ve been selling stuff on the auction house to raise gold, but even after finally buying artisan riding for 4000 gold I made 3000 back in a few weeks. I spent a few hundred gold getting some level 85 equipment–I still had a bunch of old stuff. But I’ve only done the Vashj’r and Mount Hyjal quests, and there are still a bunch of Cataclysm areas I haven’t even touched. I suppose I should stay level 85 and clean out cataclysm before buying Pandaria. Even at level 85 the Cataclysm quests are pretty easy. I barely ever even heal myself. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/592 "2013-02-09T05:24:04Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Okay, well I have the bear highlighted in green, typed /squee, but nothing’s happening. I’ll go back and try the hug. > > ETA: Okay, that did it. Thanks, **Rik**! > > Q You can /hug or /love her to get the bamboo shoot. The horde has a baby panda too at the Panda camp in Ogrimmar next to the fishing trainers. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/593 "2013-02-09T08:15:55Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > I hit level 85 with my Paladin last week. > > [World of Warcraft](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/galakrond/Tarrassindra/advanced) Hey, I’ve been leveling a new paladin too! > **[World of Warcraft](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/)** > > Join thousands of mighty heroes in Azeroth, a world of magic and limitless adventure. My god, I can’t believe how much Outland and Northrend have been nerfed. Or is it that stat scaling is so different? My first toon through Outland and Northrend was my Ret paladin Eilysanna, back when WotLK was current (also got a Fire mage and Arms warrior, and a second Ret paladin on the Horde side to 80 during WotLK), and most recently I leveled a Shadow priest through there. But this is the first time I’ve leveled a toon entirely in a non-DPS spec — Aigerlinn is a Protection paladin — and good grief, she’s just mowing through the mobs. Hell, when she was still a level 69 in Outland she was only about 500 hit points shy of the “basic” Northrend level 80 mob. I recently ran into a level 75 monk who was mowing down level 75 elites (this was before my prot pally was to level 75 - I was on my lvl 90 rogue at the time), and she said “[whatever spec she was] is OP - I’m soloing Wrath dungeons.” So now I’m tempted to see if I can solo Wrath normal dungeons as a Prot pally. This is the first time I’ve really enjoyed playing in Prot spec. I’ve tried off-speccing my Ret pallies into Prot, but haven’t liked it. This kind of confirms that, at least for _me_, I need to play a spec from level 1 to really get a feel for it. Otherwise I run into the same problem I have with DKs: too many abilities all at once and I can’t figure out how to use them correctly. Anyway, I’m looking forward to getting this paladin into Cataclysm content. For revenge. See, she’s an Herbalist. During Cata, my Fire mage was my herbalist, and I got so incredibly frustrated with the way Blizz decided that almost every damn herb in Cata zones needed to be camped by a hostile mob. So I’m going to enjoy herring (goddam autocorrect! Quit turning my h-e-r-b-i-n-g into “herring”!) in plate armor with a defensive class. In the meantime, I think I may actually turn off her XP before level 80 and queue her as a tank in LFD, and finally get around to learning to perform that role. I ran Wrath dungeons many, many times as DPS on both my Ret paladin and Fire mage, so I’m very familiar with those dungeons, and I figure they would be a good starting point. I guess I could have started in TBC dungeons, but I’ve only ever soloed those at level 85+ and have no idea how they work at the appropriate levels (having started in Wrath, by the time I got my first character to Outland everybody was busy raiding Naxx and there weren’t a lot of people in Outland). > [@](#): > > Wow, the Cataclysm quests give so much more gold. I’ve been selling stuff on the auction house to raise gold, but even after finally buying artisan riding for 4000 gold I made 3000 back in a few weeks. I spent a few hundred gold getting some level 85 equipment–I still had a bunch of old stuff. No doubt. My rogue was the first character I leveled entirely during Cataclysm, from 1 to 85. I made her a miner and skinner. Thanks to the “old world” and Cataclysm quests handing out perfectly acceptable leveling gear, removing any need she had to buy expensive gear from the AH, between quest reward gold and selling her ore and leather on the AH she was my wealthiest character by the time I took a break from the game in Feb. 2012, with 35k+ gold. ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/594 "2013-02-11T19:43:46Z")
Agreed here – I can’t remember the last time I dropped any money on the AH to actually buy gear; just relying on quest rewards post-Cataclysm has been more than adequate. The one exception is my Pandarian monk that I’m slowly leveling. Good weapons for him seem to be few and far between - and almost never handed out as quest rewards. I’ve had to purchase the occasional axe, mace, or hand weapon from the AH as he’s been adventuring. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/595 "2013-02-11T20:08:45Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So now I’m tempted to see if I can solo Wrath normal dungeons as a Prot pally. Aaaaand that didn’t work so well. Aigerlinn hit 76 and I decided to see how she’d do in Utgarde Keep (normal, of course) by herself. She muscled through the first few rooms of trash with no difficulty, but once Prince Keleseth started Ice Prisoning her, it was game over without teammates to break the Ice Prisons. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/596 "2013-02-11T21:07:29Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Hey hey! How did you do the twins? I was so not prepared for that battle - I didn’t kill the Guardians before the room and then I didn’t know one twin was immune to magic and the other to melee. I died, and when I rezzed and went back, the door was sealed so I couldn’t attempt again. Yeah, you have to accommodate the mechanics curiousities of the encounter. 1) clear the guardians outside the room. (This I do routinely, since I like loot, and up to that point the red Qiraji tank hadn’t dropped yet.) 2) Unless you massively pew-pew, plan on the fight going a while, and you taking a bit more damage than normal regen can cover. Spirit Bond did enough healing that neither the owl nor I needed to heal. 3) Macros are your friend. I set the physical immune guy as focus target and replaced my normal Arcane Shot and Serpent Sting buttons with macros that cast @focus rather than just attacking my main target… which works well with 4) pull and target the magic-immune one; most pet and hunter attacks are physical. The majority of your DPS will be on him. Once the physical-immune one comes close enough, as long as you’re facing right, he’ll get pelted by Arcane Shots and Serpent Stings as you roll through them in rotation without even thinking about it, and that’s extra damage in their combined pool. 5) keep Widow Venom (hunter Mortal Strike) on the main target; it’ll reduce the inevitable boss heals and shorten the fight. The fight was easy with a little planning. > [@](#): > > For BWL, remember to dismiss your pet at the start, you can’t control Chromaggus with it out. I had a bit of trouble until someone pointed out using the Exhilaration ability, which will heal him up to 100%. Again, preparation. (BTW, Razorgore, not Chromaggus.) I still died the first two attempts; the first because I didn’t realize how little time you really have between pulling the initial mobs as you enter, and grabbing control of Razorgore. I actually took time to loot! Then Razorgore got up, and the bastard camped on top of the mind-control device, so I couldn’t MC him, and then he conflagrated me, and the room filled with mobs, and he died (my pet attacked him, as well as the mobs), and then the room nuked me. The second death was simply not noticing two eggs and killing Razorgore before it was safe. Again, the room nuked me. Yeah, Exhilaration is a great way to run Razorgore to the very limit of his endurance while breaking eggs (either timer or health) and still be in the fight for the next MC, and also aggroing the entire room to yourself to allow him more endurance for the next MC. Very good strat. > [@](#): > > Molten Core is dead simple, no trouble there. I was just running through the raid, picking up all the adds and finally decided I should probably stop and kill stuff since I aggroed a boss and he was part of the enemy entourage. Yup. No strat really matters. I just cruise through systematically, blasting pack by pack and boss by boss. “Pulling everything and AoEing them all at once” isn’t very practical for hunters. I’m in no hurry, and I can clear it pretty quick. (Cleared MC, BWL, and AQ20 in one Friday evening.) > [@](#): > > I’m currently on my quest for Mr. Bigglesworth. I’m 4/12 for [Raiding With Leashes](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=7934). I haven’t attempted Naxx yet, that’s the one that scares me. Soloing Wrath raids? Eeep! The highest level raid I’ve solo’ed is Tempest Keep. I’m at 7/12 for that achievement. I’ve gotten all the pets available from MC and AQ40. 4 of the remaining 5 are in Naxx, but I’m not overly worried. I’ve soloed the first few parts of Spider Wing in Naxx 10. Easy up to Maexxna; that fight needs some study and prep, so I died there due to inadequate preparation. I’ll get it next time, and the Arachnophobia achieve too. Maybe I’ll try the “Hunter tanking” tactic, since she doesn’t web wrap the MT. She probably doesn’t hurt enough to kill me through Spirit Bond healing, and if I bring my Spirit Owl pet on Ferocity spec, I can get decent DPS out of it while having a backup “Oh shit” heal available. > [@](#): > > Speaking of Tempest Keep: fuck status effects! Hate hate hate hate hate! :mad: TK always gave me fits solo, and the MC/disorient stuff in the Kael fight would still be nasty even to a 90… and without a melee weapon slot, hunters can’t put up the “Don’t MC me bro!” aura without more weapon-swapping madness that I want to put up with. I don’t need much from TK except the phoenix mount, so I’m not really very enthusiastic about going back. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/597 "2013-02-11T21:19:35Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > TK always gave me fits solo, and the MC/disorient stuff in the Kael fight would still be nasty even to a 90… and without a melee weapon slot, hunters can’t put up the “Don’t MC me bro!” aura without more weapon-swapping madness that I want to put up with. I don’t need much from TK except the phoenix mount, so I’m not really very enthusiastic about going back. IMO the best class to solo Kael’thas is a Windwalker or Brewmaster Monk. I’ve been doing it on my two 90 monks (one Horde, one Alliance) for awhile now and he give me very little trouble. The trick is to save Death Touch to one-shot Capernia the second time she comes up (it’s a little tricky, you have to spam it or she gets her disorient off) but once she’s down it’s easy. I use Brewmaster on my lower-geared monk (low-level LFR) and Windwalker on my higher-geared one (high-level LFR and several Valor pieces)–the Windwalker rips him to shreds now. I’ve had a lot of trouble soloing him on my Blood DK, though–he can’t kill Capernia fast enough and the double disorients between her and Kael basically keep me stunlocked through the whole fight. I’ve succeeded but it was _very_ long and frustrating. I prefer to bring along a friend and deal with the MC when I do it on that toon. ---
**Author:** ![H3Knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@H3Knuckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/H3Knuckles)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/598 "2013-02-12T07:09:51Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > TK always gave me fits solo, and the MC/disorient stuff in the Kael fight would still be nasty even to a 90… and without a melee weapon slot, hunters can’t put up the “Don’t MC me bro!” aura without more weapon-swapping madness that I want to put up with. I don’t need much from TK except the phoenix mount, so I’m not really very enthusiastic about going back. Actually, [Deterrence](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19263) no longer requires a melee weapon, or any weapon of any kind. This was supposed to be fixed during early Cataclysm (before Hunter’s lost the melee weapon slot), but it was bugged in that being Disarmed still prevented its use. For Mists of Pandaria it’s no longer an issue at all ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/599 "2013-02-12T20:15:04Z")
> [@H3Knuckles](#): > > Actually, [Deterrence](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19263) no longer requires a melee weapon, or any weapon of any kind. This was supposed to be fixed during early Cataclysm (before Hunter’s lost the melee weapon slot), but it was bugged in that being Disarmed still prevented its use. For Mists of Pandaria it’s no longer an issue at all I wasn’t specifically thinking about Deterrence. I was considering the [Staff of Disintegration](http://www.wowhead.com/item=30313)’s on-use buff to make you immune to disorientation effects, which are used aplenty in Phases 3 and 4 of the Kael’thas fight. Chain-stunning can kill even an overgeared 90, and it’s a frustrating death because it can take so long. I wonder if the “Beastmaster, hide behind a column, let your pet kill Kael” is the only hunter solo strategy practical if you have to wield the staff to avoid being chain disoriented. ---
**Author:** ![H3Knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@H3Knuckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/H3Knuckles)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/600 "2013-02-12T21:12:54Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I wasn’t specifically thinking about Deterrence. I was considering the [Staff of Disintegration](http://www.wowhead.com/item=30313)’s on-use buff to make you immune to disorientation effects, which are used aplenty in Phases 3 and 4 of the Kael’thas fight. Chain-stunning can kill even an overgeared 90, and it’s a frustrating death because it can take so long. > > I wonder if the “Beastmaster, hide behind a column, let your pet kill Kael” is the only hunter solo strategy practical if you have to wield the staff to avoid being chain disoriented. Ah, sorry, my mistake. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=31)