# MoP-ing up after the Cataclysm: Updated WoW General Discussion 8/22/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 22, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256 "2012-08-22T06:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1021 "2013-11-09T12:31:30Z")
I was very excited about this expansion until I heard about the new raid system. Like Mogle said above Mythic isn’t a new difficulty setting. It’s a difficulty made by combining existing 10-heroic and 25-heroic into a new 20-mythic. It just confuses people because they renamed the difficulties. By current raid terminology we’ll have the following difficulties with just the names reshuffled around: LFR scaling for 10-25 people Flexi scaling for 10-25 people (named to Normal) Normal scaling for 10-25 people (named to Heroic) Heroic static for 20 people (named to Mythic) I honestly don’t know whether my 10-heroic raiding group will survive the transition. I dread the thought of having to recruit another 12-13 people to keep raiding. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1022 "2013-11-09T14:42:25Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Yeah, this is going back to before WarCraft 1. > > Though … leading this “Iron Horde” through the Dark Portal — I didn’t think there was any Dark Portal without the demons. Not in our timeline. But Gul’dan is going to be prominent in the expansion, and the Shadowmoon tribe is rumored to dabble in Dark Arts, so I don’t know how little Burning Legion activity is going to be involved in the xpac. Really, though, what we actually know about the lore changes in the new timeline is nil…we have a roughly 3 minute trailer to tease characters and nuggets of lore out of. I’m sure more than half of it will be at least a little bit different by release. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1023 "2013-11-11T15:58:28Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > From what I’m hearing from friends with the BlizzCon v-ticket, the new expansion is called “Warlords of Draenor”. Level cap 100, new character models (universal), no new races or classes. Premise is apparently time-travel to back when Outland was Draenor. Not sure if they’re going back to Warcraft II or prior to that. No cites yet, other than Facebook posts. Looking at the [title-page static image](http://www.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/warlords-of-draenor-1280x1024-1024x819.jpg) associated with their teaser video, you can identify several of the leaders of the clans of the First Horde, so roughly contemporaneous with WC2. Slightly before, actually…To the right of center is Grom Hellscream, with Gorehowl… as brown-skinned as any Mag’har… so before the pact with Mannoroth I like it. Playing through BC, I often wondered how Draenor must have looked before Ner’zhul went insane. The previews were satisfying, and have piqued my interest. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1024 "2013-11-11T17:49:46Z")
I’m excited about the mechanical changes–player housing, new character models, stat squish, removal of hit/expertise–but I’m not really excited about the content. Too orc-heavy. And I freaking HATE Garrosh. I thought he was going away for good after MoP, god dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1025 "2013-11-11T18:04:46Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > I’m excited about the mechanical changes–player housing, new character models, stat squish, removal of hit/expertise–but I’m not really excited about the content. Too orc-heavy. And I freaking HATE Garrosh. I thought he was going away for good after MoP, god dammit. Yeah, I feel the same way. Orcs are my least favorite race in WoW, and it seems like lately it’s “All Orcs, all the time!” I want some more blood elf lore. And I hate Garrosh too. At least from the sound of it, he’s not going to be a major player, just the catalyst who sets this all off. I hope he gets killed off in this next expansion, at least. I felt kind of cheated when we didn’t get to lop off his tiny head at the end of MoP. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1026 "2013-11-11T18:49:29Z")
Yesterday I took my [recently-turned-90 warrior](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Castoravus/advanced) to the Timeless Isle, and I’m glad I did because it ended up being the single most productive TI session I’ve played. He found: The plate chest piece he needed - now all he needs is legs to be dressed in full 496 armor, and one trinket to have full 496 PvE gear (first trinket slot has a 496 PvP item). A plate helm and shoulder, which he already had, so he mailed those to my [paladin](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Eilyssana/advanced), who could use the shoulders to round out her Protection set - the shoulder slot was the only armor slot without a 496 piece (she still needs to replace a 476 trinket and her weapon/shield, and needs a tanking cloak). And she disenchanted the helm for a Sha Crystal. The helm and shoulder tokens both dropped from the first big chest in the yaungol area. And finally, from a moss-covered chest and from a mob drop (and a non-elite mob, at that), within five minutes of each other, he found the cloth shoulders and robe — the exact two pieces that have been steadfastly refusing to drop for my [priest](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Syanalle/advanced). OTOH, I’m annoyed at myself because my warrior activated the chest token, completely forgetting that he had a Burden of Eternity sitting there in his bags. So I hope I don’t forget it when he finally picks up the leg token! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1027 "2013-11-11T19:29:47Z")
Couple questions: Which MoP faction sells blacksmithing patterns? My warrior’s blacksmithing is stuck at 588 and I can’t find anybody to teach him new recipes (except for the guy at the Shrine who sells the 458 PvP recipes). Where is the GL Quartermaster hanging out now that his old spot is trashed? I couldn’t find him anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1028 "2013-11-11T19:36:14Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > OTOH, I’m annoyed at myself because my warrior activated the chest token, completely forgetting that he had a Burden of Eternity sitting there in his bags. So I hope I don’t forget it when he finally picks up the leg token! \*Do not \*waste a burden on a legs or hands piece. Instead, get in on a fight versus the Celestials at the central plaza. They drop ilevel 553 pieces for legs and hands; it should only take a few tries to get both pieces if you burn warforged seals. Save your burdens for other slots. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1029 "2013-11-11T19:49:13Z")
> [@Max\_the\_Immortal](#): > > \*Do not \*waste a burden on a legs or hands piece. Instead, get in on a fight versus the Celestials at the central plaza. They drop ilevel 553 pieces for legs and hands; it should only take a few tries to get both pieces if you burn warforged seals. Save your burdens for other slots. Or not. I’ve been betrayed too many times by the RNG, in spite of nearly a dozen Celestial kills, to trust in luck. You can wait for months for that pug fiasco to drop what you need. (Including unnumbered wipes caused by mouthbreathers who can’t deal with a few trivial mechanics.) If you have a blacksmith, I wouldn’t waste a burden on a leg slot, since you can fabricate a decent BoE 553 after 28 days’ grinding balanced trillium. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1030 "2013-11-11T19:59:01Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Couple questions: > > Which MoP faction sells blacksmithing patterns? My warrior’s blacksmithing is stuck at 588 and I can’t find anybody to teach him new recipes (except for the guy at the Shrine who sells the 458 PvP recipes). That would be the Klaxxi. But what they teach is living steel weapon chain (at BS skill 540), ilvl 465 weapons (at BS skill 575), and ilvl 476 epic armor (BS skill 600). And you also have to be Honored with them. As far as I can tell, you’re supposed to grind the 458 PvP recipes, since they stay orange until 600. Certainly, the mats are cheaper than any other way to get to 600… just ghost iron. > [@](#): > > Where is the GL Quartermaster hanging out now that his old spot is trashed? I couldn’t find him anywhere. Lower level of your faction’s shrine, with the representatives of the other factions (like August Celestials). The “outside” portico, ground level. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1031 "2013-11-11T20:14:29Z")
I’ve really got nothing worthwhile to do with my blacksmithing at lvl 600 except the daily trillium ingot. Nothing I can make is worth making except those. So I’ve literally got 1000 ghost iron bars and nothing worthwhile to make from them. The blue 476 gear isn’t worth making with all the purple 496 Timeless Isle gear. I now can’t remember how exactly I got over the hump to 600–I know I never missed the Darkmoon +5 monthlies. I think that’s actually how I passed the gap. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1032 "2013-11-11T21:41:52Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > If you have a blacksmith, I wouldn’t waste a burden on a leg slot, since you can fabricate a decent BoE 553 after 28 days’ grinding balanced trillium. Heh. My leatherworker, a hunter, has learned three 553 recipes: 2 pants and 1 belt. All with +INT. On a server where I have neither a shaman nor a druid — both of my 90s there are AGI classes. And I don’t like playing shaman or druids anyway. And despite continuing to make both fancy leathers nearly every day, he just keeps learning 476 PvP patterns instead of more 553 patterns. > [@gnoitall](#): > > That would be the Klaxxi. But what they teach is living steel weapon chain (at BS skill 540), ilvl 465 weapons (at BS skill 575), and ilvl 476 epic armor (BS skill 600). And you also have to be Honored with them. > > As far as I can tell, you’re supposed to grind the 458 PvP recipes, since they stay orange until 600. Certainly, the mats are cheaper than any other way to get to 600… just ghost iron. > > Lower level of your faction’s shrine, with the representatives of the other factions (like August Celestials). The “outside” portico, ground level. Thanks. I guess I can grind the 458 recipes and then mail them to my paladin for disenchanting. And speaking of enchanting, the price of my best enchant, Dancing Steel, has plummeted to around 1500g on Lightbringer. My poor paladin is never going to make money at that rate, given how long it takes her to get 10 Sha Crystals. My priest/tailor bought the 502 sword for her. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1033 "2013-11-12T03:48:29Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Yeah, I feel the same way. Orcs are my least favorite race in WoW, and it seems like lately it’s “All Orcs, all the time!” I want some more blood elf lore. And I hate Garrosh too. At least from the sound of it, he’s not going to be a major player, just the catalyst who sets this all off. I hope he gets killed off in this next expansion, at least. I felt kind of cheated when we didn’t get to lop off his tiny head at the end of MoP. Blizzard gets +10 points for going old school but -10 points for orcs. I’m with you, I need more elves (of any persuasion, be it blood, night or high). ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1034 "2013-11-13T15:50:35Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Blizzard gets +10 points for going old school but -10 points for orcs. I’m with you, I need more elves (of any persuasion, be it blood, night or high). The Horde-centeredness of the early Warcraft milieu storylines comes of the typical storytelling pattern of traveling from the familiar (humans) to the unfamiliar (orcs). But something in pre-Scourge Quel’thalas would have been cool. One opportunity for that would have been Patch 2.3, with the the opening of Zul’Aman providing an opportunity for Zul’Jin to mess with the history of the area (for instance). But that was a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1035 "2013-11-13T16:00:45Z")
A nice machinima that almost–_almost_–makes me a little bit sympathetic toward Garrosh. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KMXtMj59Tr4/maxresdefault.jpg "[Blizzcon 2013] Just Another Morning (Extended Ver.) / 力量谷的清晨 (加長版)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMXtMj59Tr4) ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1036 "2013-11-13T17:58:27Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The Horde-centeredness of the early Warcraft milieu storylines comes of the typical storytelling pattern of traveling from the familiar (humans) to the unfamiliar (orcs). > > But something in pre-Scourge Quel’thalas would have been cool. One opportunity for that would have been Patch 2.3, with the the opening of Zul’Aman providing an opportunity for Zul’Jin to mess with the history of the area (for instance). But that was a long time ago. Yeah, but Varian makes a shitty human representative compared to Turalyon! Still waiting for Arator to leave Honor Hold…any time now…he can go join crazy undead aunt or babysit his cousins in Dalaran. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1037 "2013-11-13T20:36:23Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > A nice machinima that almost–_almost_–makes me a little bit sympathetic toward Garrosh. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMXtMj59Tr4](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMXtMj59Tr4) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![adhemar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@adhemar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhemar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1038 "2013-11-21T23:51:43Z")
can anyone recoommnd a good beginners guide? Iplayed a little a few years ago but got frustrated when the Cataclysm happened and I neded up just sort of stewing around. I started a Blood elf hnter and already reached a point where I had no new tasks and no ! in sight. I did however find a flight path location from earlier (I was too lazy to run back to the spot so I flew to closer in) that took me to a place where I could get some new tasks. I am playing on a laptop so I am having some trouble adjusting to the not to mention that I am not an adept gamer to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1039 "2013-11-22T00:36:59Z")
> [@adhemar](#): > > can anyone recoommnd a good beginners guide? Iplayed a little a few years ago but got frustrated when the Cataclysm happened and I neded up just sort of stewing around. I started a Blood elf hnter and already reached a point where I had no new tasks and no ! in sight. I did however find a flight path location from earlier (I was too lazy to run back to the spot so I flew to closer in) that took me to a place where I could get some new tasks. > > I am playing on a laptop so I am having some trouble adjusting to the not to mention that I am not an adept gamer to begin with. Well…if you Google “WoW \ leveling guide” you should be able to find something useful. But I’ve found that they pretty much lead you by the nose through the first couple of leveling zones (1-5 and around 6-10 or so). If you get stuck, go back to the quest hubs where you got quests before–there should be something around. How high did you get your BE hunter before you couldn’t find any more quests? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1040 "2013-11-22T00:47:38Z")
To be honest, asking here when you get stuck will probably net you better advice than a leveling guide. Not that they’re bad, necessarily, but you can ask specific questions here and get specific answers to things that may not be in the guides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=53)