# MoP-ing up after the Cataclysm: Updated WoW General Discussion 8/22/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 22, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256 "2012-08-22T06:30:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1201 "2014-07-14T09:51:51Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I went through, and got a Cataclysm loading screen, so apparently I was now in Blackwing Descent. [nitpick]That was Blackrock Caverns, the entrance to Blackwind Descent is at the top of the mountain, you have to fly to get there.[/nitpick] Make sure you check it(the entrance, the raid itself may be a bit much to solo) out _after_ you complete BWL. šŸ˜‰ > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As confusing as Upper/Lower BRS is, I have to admire the work that must have gone into designing that place. Funny thing is, while it may not be obvious, as long as you donā€™t go jumping off any ledges, then both Upper and Lower BRS are both pretty linear. > [@](#): > > And Onyxia got bumped up to 85, so I guess I wonā€™t be poking in there until Iā€™m level 100 ā€¦ Level 80 actually, depending on your gear you should have no trouble soloing her if you do it on 10man. The key thing as melee is to burst her through her air phase before she takes off. To do that you need to tank her as far from the entrance as possible, when she reaches around 65% she will start walking towards the entrance, at this point you should use all your dps cooldowns and hopefully get her down below 35-40% before she takes off. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1202 "2014-07-14T10:05:39Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > [nitpick]That was Blackrock Caverns, the entrance to Blackwind Descent is at the top of the mountain, you have to fly to get there.[/nitpick] Make sure you check it(the entrance, the raid itself may be a bit much to solo) out _after_ you complete BWL. šŸ˜‰ I was aware of the BWD entrance up top; strangely enough, Iā€™ve never heard of Blackrock Caverns until now. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1203 "2014-07-14T14:57:02Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I was aware of the BWD entrance up top; strangely enough, Iā€™ve never heard of Blackrock Caverns until now. BRC was added in Cataclysm; it ties into the Twilightā€™s Hammer story lines. It was fun, and had a few very interesting heroic achievements, some of which canā€™t even be soloed now (because their mechanic makes them impossible unless you have at least a couple of folks). ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1204 "2014-07-14T23:08:23Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I was aware of the BWD entrance up top; strangely enough, Iā€™ve never heard of Blackrock Caverns until now. Missed the edit window (bigtime!), but I wanted to mention that the questlines in the Mount Hyjal region included [a cookie crumb/advertising quest](http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28732) to show you the entrance to BRC. While youā€™re killing Twilight Hammer cultists and fire elementals in the Circle of Cinders, thereā€™s a gnome tucked away in the south edge of the zone (behind some ruins) with a Mole Machine. He offers a little quest to hop into the mole machine and emerge in the alcove next to the BRC portal. You have to go into the portal and talk to a friendly NPC near its entrance to complete the quest and pick up the next in the chain (which involves actually running the instance, preferably in a group :D) before you can go back out to the mole machine and return to Mount Hyjal. If you donā€™t know about that last bit, you wind up with a one-way trip and have to hearth out or something. Wouldnā€™t be surprising to have missed the quest, though. It was pretty obviously tangential. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1205 "2014-07-14T23:29:35Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Missed the edit window (bigtime!), but I wanted to mention that the questlines in the Mount Hyjal region included [a cookie crumb/advertising quest](http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28732) to show you the entrance to BRC. While youā€™re killing Twilight Hammer cultists and fire elementals in the Circle of Cinders, thereā€™s a gnome tucked away in the south edge of the zone (behind some ruins) with a Mole Machine. He offers a little quest to hop into the mole machine and emerge in the alcove next to the BRC portal. You have to go into the portal and talk to a friendly NPC near its entrance to complete the quest and pick up the next in the chain (which involves actually running the instance, preferably in a group :D) before you can go back out to the mole machine and return to Mount Hyjal. If you donā€™t know about that last bit, you wind up with a one-way trip and have to hearth out or something. > > Wouldnā€™t be surprising to have missed the quest, though. It was pretty obviously tangential. Oh yeah, I remember that gnome! I talked to him, back when, but didnā€™t take him up on his offer since I pretty much play solo. But your description explains why, after I came back out through the portal, there was a level 80 player coming in (and right back out again), and a mole machine parked nearby. Today I took my rogue into BWL ā€¦ yeah, that didnā€™t work. I think I actually managed to have Razorgore destroy all of the eggs (as far as I could see), but the last one either came a split second before I died, or I died a split second before he destroyed it. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1206 "2014-07-15T22:00:36Z")
Today I got an e-mail purporting to be from Blizzard: ā€œCongratulations, youā€™ve been selected to participate in the beta test of World of WarcraftĀ®: Warlords of Draenorā„¢!ā€ PPPPPHHT, right. Then I glanced at the ā€œTo:ā€ line and saw that this e-mail had been sent to the unique e-mail address that I use _only_ for my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) account, NOT to my main e-mail address where the phishing e-mails always arrive. Fired up my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) client, clicked on the REGION/ACCOUNT menu, and ā€¦ **HOLY EFFING CRAP, Iā€™M IN THE WoD BETA!** :):D:):D:) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1207 "2014-07-16T00:32:26Z")
And ā€¦ yeah. Got it installed on my Mac, and after a bit of that Iā€™m going to wait and install it on my Windows laptop. Two minutes of Draenor was enough to convince me that my 2008 iMac is not going to handle WoD. And I probably only got into the beta because I changed my beta opt-in settings to reflect my laptop instead of my Mac. It probably didnā€™t help that, in beta, they give you access to all 455 mounts available. Unsurpisingly, once I got to Draenor there were 2000 people AFKing on top of Khadgar, the initial questgiver, and all of them were mounted up on the most FPS-sucking mounts, like frostdrakes and Ashes of Aā€™lar. So Iā€™ll get it installed on my laptop and try again later. Iā€™ll have to do the download overnight, though. Thanks to this new [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) client, I canā€™t have both computers logged into [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) at the same time, and I want to get some stuff done on live. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1208 "2014-07-16T14:09:53Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Today I got an e-mail purporting to be from Blizzard: > > ā€œCongratulations, youā€™ve been selected to participate in the beta test of World of WarcraftĀ®: Warlords of Draenorā„¢!ā€ > > PPPPPHHT, right. > > Then I glanced at the ā€œTo:ā€ line and saw that this e-mail had been sent to the unique e-mail address that I use _only_ for my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) account, NOT to my main e-mail address where the phishing e-mails always arrive. > > Fired up my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) client, clicked on the REGION/ACCOUNT menu, and ā€¦ > > **HOLY EFFING CRAP, Iā€™M IN THE WoD BETA!** > > :):D:):D:) Grats! Have fun and donā€™t forget to spill the beans here and violate any NDA you sign! šŸ˜ƒ > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And ā€¦ yeah. Got it installed on my Mac, and after a bit of that Iā€™m going to wait and install it on my Windows laptop. Two minutes of Draenor was enough to convince me that my 2008 iMac is not going to handle WoD. And I probably only got into the beta because I changed my beta opt-in settings to reflect my laptop instead of my Mac. I have come to similar conclusion about performance just looking at the marketing material about how theyā€™ve improved the graphics. I will probably only have two desktop machines and my wifeā€™s laptop that will be able to do a reasonable job with the new-and-improved models and such. > [@](#): > > It probably didnā€™t help that, in beta, they give you access to all 455 mounts available. Unsurpisingly, once I got to Draenor there were 2000 people AFKing on top of Khadgar, the initial questgiver, and all of them were mounted up on the most FPS-sucking mounts, like frostdrakes and Ashes of Aā€™lar. Geez. New frontiers in trolling FTW. Still, the trick of ā€œ/targetā€-ing your intended target by name and then using the kebound ā€œinteract with targetā€ action defeats that silliness. ETA: In case my explanation in the last sentence is as incoherent to you as it seems to be to me, [hereā€™s what I mean](http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/12/15/interact-with-target-keybind-gets-you-past-players-atop-npcs/), courtesy of Wow Insider. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1209 "2014-07-16T15:19:29Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Still, the trick of ā€œ/targetā€-ing your intended target by name and then using the kebound ā€œinteract with targetā€ action defeats that silliness. Actually, some time during MoP (I think) they made it so that you can actually click right through other players to click on questgivers/vendors, so people parking on NPCs isnā€™t the problem it used to be. In the case I described above, it was simply a matter of my outdated Mac combined with swarms of NPCs and FPS-sucking mounts. Itā€™s just next to impossible to accurately click on _anything_ when youā€™re getting 2 FPS. So I ended up getting it installed on my Windows laptop, and played for a couple hours. The opening quest/story sequence was pretty fun. Once I got through the opening storyline, it was off to Shadowmoon, and they got me right to work establishing my Garrison. I didnā€™t get any farther than that. One big environmental change is that quest objectives no longer sparkle - they now have a glow around them. Iā€™m indifferent to this change overall, but I did see one small problem with it. did the ā€œDigging for Wormsā€ fishing daily in Stormwind, and without the sparkles it was virtually impossible to find where to dig up that worm. A subtle glow doesnā€™t help when itā€™s buried underground! I had to just randomly wave my mouse around the ground until I saw the ā€œgearā€ cursor. ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1210 "2014-07-20T18:54:19Z")
I was kinda thinking of playing Wow again. I havenā€™t played since Cataclysm. Think my Surface 2 could handle it? ---
**Author:** ![scruffycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scruffycat/32/200_2.png) [@scruffycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scruffycat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1211 "2014-07-20T20:22:04Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Today I got an e-mail purporting to be from Blizzard: > > ā€œCongratulations, youā€™ve been selected to participate in the beta test of World of WarcraftĀ®: Warlords of Draenorā„¢!ā€ > > PPPPPHHT, right. > > Then I glanced at the ā€œTo:ā€ line and saw that this e-mail had been sent to the unique e-mail address that I use _only_ for my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) account, NOT to my main e-mail address where the phishing e-mails always arrive. > > Fired up my [Battle.net](http://Battle.net) client, clicked on the REGION/ACCOUNT menu, and ā€¦ > > **HOLY EFFING CRAP, Iā€™M IN THE WoD BETA!** > > :):D:):D:) Iā€™ve been in the beta for a while, top tip if you create a character on mechatorque (sorry for the spelling) itā€™s immediately boosted to level 100. Though this is from an EU perspective I think the three test realms are the same EU/US. Anyway itā€™s worth it to play around with the talents etc, though I have chars on the other realms just to try the levelling out. So far itā€™s looking like a good expansion, though Iā€™ve found Garrisons to be not quite how I thought they would be sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1212 "2014-07-23T03:24:58Z")
So I took my paladin through Black Temple, and had the good fortune to get all three of the paladin armor tokens that drop in there, so I dont have to go back. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1213 "2014-07-23T14:51:40Z")
> [@scruffycat](#): > > Iā€™ve been in the beta for a while, top tip if you create a character on mechatorque (sorry for the spelling) itā€™s immediately boosted to level 100. Though this is from an EU perspective I think the three test realms are the same EU/US. Anyway itā€™s worth it to play around with the talents etc, though I have chars on the other realms just to try the levelling out. > > So far itā€™s looking like a good expansion, though Iā€™ve found Garrisons to be not quite how I thought they would be sadly. I havenā€™t really paid any attention to the WoD preview press, so I donā€™t have any preconceived notions. But Iā€™m curious what your expectations were, and how the implementation differed? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1214 "2014-07-25T15:30:18Z")
Finally got my main through the ā€œSecrets of the Empireā€ stage. Thank God for the ā€œGaze of the Black Princeā€ buff, because the required boss drop was giving me extreme RNG hate before the buff took effect. I had 1 drop the week before the buff came around again (out of 20 needed), and I had the other 19 drop in the 1 1/2 weeks since the buff turned on. The little scenario afterwards (defend Wrathion at the Thunder Forge from various elite mobs) was pretty easy too. I guess I outgear the encounter, thanks to doing it so late in the xpac and having pretty much max upgraded Timeless Isle gimme epics. And the next phase ("stick Nalak with the spear, survive, run away kiting a spawn that will kill you if it catches you but dies slowly if you live long enough) was stupid easy on a hunter; Nalak despawns if you feign death but the kite-add necessary for the quest doesnā€™t, so you pretty much win if you feign death for 3 seconds and then get up and run away for another 15. Really, thatā€™s a hunterā€™s dream fight: ā€œI damage you, you never touch me, I win.ā€ šŸ˜ƒ Now for Titan Runestones. I hope I can get at least a couple in the time remaining on the Gaze buff, assuming it ends before next week. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1215 "2014-07-30T21:04:21Z")
I finished grinding the Netherwing drake in Outland. Imagine my annoyance when after weeks of doing dailies the reward isā€¦one mount. I thought Iā€™d be able to get all of them. Not that Iā€™d use them, but, you know, mounts. Damn. After I ground the Kurenai rep (ie, killing Nagrand ogres over and over and over, and elbowing other players out of the way to get to the ogres first) I got 8 Talbuk mounts. So what are the easiest mounts to go for? Iā€™m not up for grinding the Mana Tombs over and over every day in hope of the Raven Lord. Iā€™m also going to try the Celestial battlepet tournament. But I need to level all my rare mechanicals up to 25 first. Turns out 3 lvl 25 mechanical pets can crush Liā€™l Oondasta easy, but there are lots of beasts in the tournament and you know, no healing. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1216 "2014-07-30T21:13:17Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > I finished grinding the Netherwing drake in Outland. Imagine my annoyance when after weeks of doing dailies the reward isā€¦one mount. I thought Iā€™d be able to get all of them. Not that Iā€™d use them, but, you know, mounts. Damn. I thought you can buy the others for 200g each. Is the guy not in Shattrath anymore? I know you used to be able to to do it, but that was a long time ago. Maybe they changed it. ---
**Author:** ![BDBoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5e9695/32.png) [@BDBoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDBoop)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1217 "2014-07-30T21:31:39Z")
The guy is there, just go to Shatt and buy them all. As I found out after Iā€™d done the grind five times on different alts. FML. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1218 "2014-07-30T21:34:19Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I thought you can buy the others for 200g each. Is the guy not in Shattrath anymore? I know you used to be able to to do it, but that was a long time ago. Maybe they changed it. I donā€™t think it was ever in Shattrat, [Drake Dealer Hurlunk](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=23489) on Netherwing Ledge is the vendor that sells the drakes once youā€™re exalted. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1219 "2014-07-30T21:36:30Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > I donā€™t think it was ever in Shattrat, [Drake Dealer Hurlunk](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=23489) on Netherwing Ledge is the vendor that sells the drakes once youā€™re exalted. Thereā€™s a guy in Shattrath too, or there used to be. Heā€™s over on the side near the Arakkoa. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256/1220 "2014-07-30T21:47:01Z")
Yeah, to one side of the ā€œhospitalā€ in Lower City, I think, thereā€™s a group of Netherdrakes of different colors and a vendor, IIRC. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mop-ing-up-after-the-cataclysm-updated-wow-general-discussion-8-22-12/632256.md?page=62)