# Moral Dilemma: How Can We Eat Without Killing Anything For Food? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 26, 2012, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929 "2012-10-26T13:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JellyBeanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@JellyBeanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JellyBeanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/101 "2012-10-26T21:27:53Z")
> [@XT](#): > > They only take one claw and most survive. It’s called one of the most sustainable meals out there. Damn tasty too, but afaik you can only get it in some parts of Florida. Least that’s the only place I’ve seen it on a menu. But your still bringing pain and suffering to the crab just so you can enjoy it’s flesh and removing it’s claw makes it more vulnerable to be harmed or God forbid killed by predators. Word’s just couldn’t explain how angry I am the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/102 "2012-10-26T21:33:40Z")
Words can’t explain how close to trolling it comes when you continue to push an argument that every single other person makes logical arguments against only to have them completely ignored by you as you continue to claim a demonstrably false moral high ground. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/103 "2012-10-26T21:40:59Z")
> [@JellyBeanz](#): > > But your still bringing pain and suffering to the crab just so you can enjoy it’s flesh and removing it’s claw makes it more vulnerable to be harmed or God forbid killed by predators. Word’s just couldn’t explain how angry I am the moment. Yes? And? What’s your point? All life is full of pain and suffering, especially in the wild. Let me ask you something…why do you think those crabs have the adaptation to regrow claws that they lose? Just a happy coincidence? ETA: I find myself militantly unmoved by your anger and fury over this. How do you feel about all the plants and animals (and humans too) you kill through your use of high technology? Why are you still posting if you have such angst about crabs losing one claw? ---
**Author:** ![JellyBeanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@JellyBeanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JellyBeanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/104 "2012-10-26T21:41:38Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Words can’t explain how close to trolling it comes when you continue to push an argument that every single other person makes logical arguments against only to have them completely ignored by you as you continue to claim a demonstrably false moral high ground. “A false moral high ground” If you don’t think ripping a claw of a crab does not cause it harm …urghhh I am so mad I just don’t what to say to you people, so I am just going to quote a great man “The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man”. Charles Robert Darwin ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/105 "2012-10-26T21:47:15Z")
You have anynidea how many samples Darwin took on his journeys? :p. This is just hilarious. What next? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/106 "2012-10-26T21:49:07Z")
Go back and consider or address some of the logical and reasonable arguments against your original opinion and then maybe I’ll consider this entire thread something other than you trying to place yourself on an angst filled pedestal of moral superiority. I for one really don’t give a shit how angry you are. You’re only stating such in order to assuage your moral outrage and assert your superiority. In truth, along with your failure to actually “debate” this issue in discussing alternative ideas, it only proves that this IS all about you putting yourself on that pedestal. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/107 "2012-10-26T21:51:44Z")
I think the OP needs a hobby to fill his time. Like learning the difference between “its” and “it’s”. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/108 "2012-10-26T21:57:15Z")
To actually answer the title of the OP: Moral Dilemma? It isn’t. How can we eat without killing anything for food? We can’t. Simple! Now, where’s my bacon and egg sammich dammit. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/109 "2012-10-26T22:02:33Z")
> [@JellyBeanz](#): > > …urghhh I am so mad I just don’t what to say to you people . . . It’s so predictable that someone who has no respect for logic will inevitable turn to hatred and/or anger. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/110 "2012-10-26T22:04:35Z")
Stone crabs… **that’s** what’s for dinner tonight! Yummy! ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/111 "2012-10-26T22:11:12Z")
It destroys my faith in humanity to see so many people taking this poster seriously. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/112 "2012-10-26T22:13:22Z")
All I know is when my sister (who is a vegan along with her husband) likes to trot out ‘can’t you taste the fear when you eat that steak??’. To which I reply ‘yeah, that’s what give it that great flavor!!’. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![destineal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@destineal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/destineal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/113 "2012-10-26T22:15:34Z")
Mmmmm…fear. ---
**Author:** ![JellyBeanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@JellyBeanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JellyBeanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/114 "2012-10-26T22:41:14Z")
You people sound like you would even track and kill a strandbeest if you thought it was food… So sad. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/115 "2012-10-26T22:43:43Z")
I prefer to track a pre-killed T-bone steak. Rare, with a baked potato (with cheese and lots of butter and salt). Maybe a lobster tail with that as a veggie, with drawn butter to get my fruit portion in… ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/116 "2012-10-26T23:13:09Z")
Anyone continuing to take the OP seriously after his strandbeest comment deserves to look stupid. ---
**Author:** ![destineal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@destineal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/destineal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/117 "2012-10-26T23:17:58Z")
I think most folks are just having fun here. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/118 "2012-10-26T23:38:04Z")
> [@JellyBeanz](#): > > . . . What if you could lab-grow our food from one dead source and save the lives of countless billions of plants. . . . Douglas Adams had a better idea. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/119 "2012-10-26T23:42:44Z")
> [@destineal](#): > > I think most folks are just having fun here. Also, if s/he IS a compeltely sincere cook… not the biggest in the board’s history. Not even this week. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929/120 "2012-10-26T23:52:12Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > It destroys my faith in humanity to see so many people taking this poster seriously. It may be you are the only one taking any posts here seriously, I think humanity will be fine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-dilemma-how-can-we-eat-without-killing-anything-for-food/638929.md?page=7)