# Moral of recent presidential elections?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [April 19, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799 "2017-04-19T18:30:51Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/21 "2017-04-21T14:05:21Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> \*\* **2012** : The economy is doing crappy, but he’s black and the national debt hasn’t hurt me yet. Re-elect.
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> Regards,  
> Shodan

To be fair, the 2012 economy was much better than the 2008 economy.

I’m curious as to the national debt bit. How does the national debt hurt people? And how is the national debt a presidential issue? Congress sets the spending, Congress sets the revenue. The difference is the deficit. So how exactly is a deficit the fault of the president?

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/22 "2017-04-21T14:21:36Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> **1976** : The economy sucks. Get someone new.  
> **1980** : The economy sucks even worse. Get someone new.  
> **1984** : The economy is booming, just like he said it would. Re-elect.  
> **1988** : The economy is doing OK - elect his VP.  
> **1992** : The economy is in recession - get someone new.  
> **1996** : The economy is booming - re-elect the one who took credit for it.  
> **2000** : The economy is doing well - but eight years of that administration is enough to overlook.  
> **2004** : The economy is doing much better. Re-elect.  
> **2008** : The economy is crashing. Get someone new.  
> **2012** : The economy is doing crappy, but he’s black and the national debt hasn’t hurt me yet. Re-elect.  
> **2016** : The economy is still just puttering along, and I don’t have to vote for someone just because you will be offended if I don’t. _Elect a businessman_.
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> **2020** : How’s the economy doing?
> 
> Regards,  
> Shodan

My Italics.

While I have my issues with the idea of “running government like a business\*”, we didn’t elect a business man, we elected Trump. At best, he’s a used car salesman.

\*Anyone who thinks the government should be run like a business has no idea how either businesses or governments are run.

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**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/23 "2017-04-21T14:34:51Z")

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How many billionaire used car salesmen do you know?

Regards,  
Shodan

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/24 "2017-04-21T15:13:23Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> How many billionaire used car salesmen do you know?
> 
> Regards,  
> Shodan

Just the one.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/25 "2017-04-21T15:21:56Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> **1976** : The economy sucks. Get someone new.  
> **1980** : The economy sucks even worse. Get someone new.  
> **1984** : The economy is booming, just like he said it would. Re-elect.  
> **1988** : The economy is doing OK - elect his VP.  
> **1992** : The economy is in recession - get someone new.  
> **1996** : The economy is booming - re-elect the one who took credit for it.  
> **2000** : The economy is doing well - but eight years of that administration is enough to overlook.  
> **2004** : The economy is doing much better. Re-elect.  
> **2008** : The economy is crashing. Get someone new.  
> **2012** : The economy is doing crappy, but he’s black and the national debt hasn’t hurt me yet. Re-elect.  
> **2016** : The economy is still just puttering along, and I don’t have to vote for someone just because you will be offended if I don’t. Elect a businessman.
> 
> **2020** : How’s the economy doing?
> 
> Regards,  
> Shodan

“But he’s black?” You seriously think that helped? Fuck, I have no words. A smart, kind, educated man with integrity and good political skills. And you think we voted for him because he s black? Deplorable

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-of-recent-presidential-elections/784799/26 "2017-04-21T17:42:27Z")

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> [@Procrustus](#):
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> … Deplorable

This could be interpreted as insulting another poster, please dial it back.

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