# Morals/ethics and the Dachau Massacre **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 26, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660 "2011-09-26T15:52:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660/81 "2011-10-01T05:29:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Maybe not the Holocaust, but considering Bismarck’s machinisms in foreign policy, I doubt he would have had THAT much of a problem. Do you know anything at all about how the German Empire was formed? Mr. “Blood and Iron” himself? But Bismarck had a plan. He wanted a united Germany controlled by a conservative Prussian government. And he wanted a few border territories of value. And that was enough. Once he achieved his goals, all he wanted was to keep everything as it was. Bismarck had no desire to conquer Europe. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660/82 "2011-10-01T08:28:58Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Certainly they did both were tolerant of other religions and considered the Jewish people to be just subjects like anybody else Cite? > [@](#): > > I believe it has been pointed out that while the old religious anti-Semites such as the Inquisition or Luther simply wanted Jews to convert and didn’t mind converts the new anti-Semites were against and hated anybody with Jewish ancestry. You realise there’s a whole lot of centuries between Luther and the 3rd Reich, right? Does the word “pogrom” mean anything to you? > [@](#): > > You mean like all the Japanese soldiers who died in kamikaze attcks? I don’t see any self-interest there. You mean the (mostly) teenagers/young men who were heavily indoctrinated (with daily beatings, religious propaganda, etc. And [puppies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:72nd_Shinbu_1945_Kamikaze.jpg)) - gosh, fancy that, old, powerful men with a lot to lose managed to get young, impressionable men to do the dying for them. That’s _never_ happened before bushido:rolleyes: _Certainly_ wouldn’t happen in the 21st Century…:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660/83 "2011-10-01T11:00:43Z")
That’s no puppie. That’s Tojo. On aviation radio, no one knows your’re a dog. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660/84 "2011-10-01T13:54:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But Bismarck had a plan. He wanted a united Germany controlled by a conservative Prussian government. And he wanted a few border territories of value. And that was enough. Once he achieved his goals, all he wanted was to keep everything as it was. Bismarck had no desire to conquer Europe. This. > [@](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > Cite? > > [http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0E1FF63F5517738DDDA00894DF405B818DF1D3](http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0E1FF63F5517738DDDA00894DF405B818DF1D3) > > > [@](#): > > > > You realise there’s a whole lot of centuries between Luther and the 3rd Reich, right? > > I’m just noting that modern anti-Semitism represented in its evillest form by Hitler is quite different from historical anti-Semitism. > > > [@](#): > > > > Does the word “pogrom” mean anything to you? > > Of course, that happened in more or less primitive Russia and even the Czar who was an anti-Semite himself tried to stop it. > > > [@](#): > > > > You mean the (mostly) teenagers/young men who were heavily indoctrinated (with daily beatings, religious propaganda, etc. And [puppies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:72nd_Shinbu_1945_Kamikaze.jpg)) - gosh, fancy that, old, powerful men with a lot to lose managed to get young, impressionable men to do the dying for them. That’s _never_ happened before bushido:rolleyes: _Certainly_ wouldn’t happen in the 21st Century…:dubious: See the Forty-Seven Ronin-they are the ultimate Bushidoist heroes. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660/85 "2011-10-01T18:45:11Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > See the Forty-Seven Ronin-they are the ultimate Bushidoist heroes. One of the people who (literally) [wrote the book on Bushido](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamamoto_Tsunetomo)really [didn’t consider them very ideal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-seven_Ronin#Criticism). And I agree. [Here](http://www.koryu.com/library/kfriday2.html) - a little light read on the matter. Educate yourself a little. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/morals-ethics-and-the-dachau-massacre/597660.md?page=4)