# More Blatant Oppression of Christians **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568 "2014-05-03T05:44:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/21 "2014-05-04T17:07:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Hang out all night, wake up three days later, go visit his buddies in his bathrobe, say “hang tight, I’ll be right back”, disappear and never be heard from again. Until he winds up in Canada, getting claws and admantium plating for his bones installed. “I am the way and the light, bub.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/22 "2014-05-04T17:16:17Z")
> [@](#): > > So it begins. The start of real persection against Christians. I’ll start reletivel minor like this, but it will pick up steam. At least it will weed out those that only ware Christanity like a fasionble necklass. I wore a necklass for a little while. Gave it up. Kept getting jammed up my butt every time I sat down. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/23 "2014-05-06T00:07:33Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Aw, crap. :smack: Yeah! I mean… [QUOTE=] Originally Posted by **Business Sign** If you are divorced, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual, have lied, drink, do illicit drugs, watch porn, listen to rock-n-roll, non-christian, masturbated, adulterated, fornicated, had lascivious thoughts, stole, refused to help the poor, eaten meat on Fridays, work on Sunday, taken the Lord’s name in vain, believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairies, stepped on a crack and broke your mother’s back, **sneezed on Tuesday** , or drank milk from the container, please go elsewhere. [/QUOTE] C’mon! :eek: I was born this way, really! They’re called ALLERGIES! –G! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Ektar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Captain\_Ektar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Ektar)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/24 "2014-05-06T17:44:10Z")
I wouldn’t want to force a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding ceremony any more than I would want to force a black photographer to shoot a KKK wedding or an Indian catering company to provide food at a meeting for the beef cattle industry. It’s simply a matter of an individual having the freedom to not knowingly participate in the celebration of something one profoundly disagrees with. The specifics of this situation though are interesting and I’m not sure how I feel about it. Trying to think through the implications of this sticker program they have going. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/25 "2014-05-06T18:58:39Z")
One small step for gays, and eventually, one giant leap for mankind when they force businesses to remove those “no shirt, no service” signs! My dream of going naked to McDonalds creeps ever closer! ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/26 "2014-05-06T19:01:24Z")
> [@Grestarian](#): > > Yeah! I mean… > > C’mon! :eek: I was born this way, really! They’re called ALLERGIES! > > –G! As I read your post, I sneezed. On a Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/27 "2014-05-06T19:03:29Z")
> [@Captain\_Ektar](#): > > I wouldn’t want to force a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding ceremony any more than I would want to force a black photographer to shoot a KKK wedding or an Indian catering company to provide food at a meeting for the beef cattle industry. It’s simply a matter of an individual having the freedom to not knowingly participate in the celebration of something one profoundly disagrees with. The specifics of this situation though are interesting and I’m not sure how I feel about it. Trying to think through the implications of this sticker program they have going. Ah, but you see, one of these things is not like the other: The black photographer and the Indian catering company are _right_. ---
**Author:** ![Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/4bbf92/32.png) [@Heart\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heart_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/28 "2014-05-06T20:25:01Z")
> [@Captain\_Ektar](#): > > I wouldn’t want to force a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding ceremony any more than I would want to force a black photographer to shoot a KKK wedding or an Indian catering company to provide food at a meeting for the beef cattle industry. Fine. The racism-friendly photographers and non-Hindu caterers can put up signs saying they will proudly serve bigots and beef-eaters, respectively, and can do so, and those with compunctions can refuse to do so. Who’s being forced to do anything? I mean, yes, people are (rightly) being sued for refusing service, but that’s got nothing to do with “the implications of this sticker program”. Completely the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/29 "2014-05-06T21:31:46Z")
It’s one thing to refuse to shoot my wedding because it’s my gay wedding. It’s another to refuse to serve me a hamburger just because I’m gay. One is related to a lifestyle and life decisions. The other is not. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/30 "2014-05-06T21:55:48Z")
Eating a hamburger is a lifestyle choice? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/31 "2014-05-06T22:13:10Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > It’s one thing to refuse to shoot my wedding because it’s my gay wedding. It’s another to refuse to serve me a hamburger just because I’m gay. One is related to a lifestyle and life decisions. The other is not. How about making a cake? How is that different from making a hamburger? ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/32 "2014-05-06T22:28:32Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Eating a hamburger is a lifestyle choice? 😕 What? No. The opposite. > [@](#): > > How about making a cake? How is that different from making a hamburger? I presume the cake is for the wedding and the hamburger is not. If you just want a birthday cake, that’s different. If you want hamburgers catered to your wedding, that’s different, too. I’d serve a KKK member at McDonalds. I wouldn’t photograph his rally. It’s a matter of scale. Culture wars should be fought with the wallet and the podium, not the lawyer and the gavel. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/33 "2014-05-07T04:05:35Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > I presume the cake is for the wedding and the hamburger is not. [Don’t be too sure of your presumptions.](http://www.mcdonalds.com.hk/en/parties/wedding-party.html) I’m just curious as to when the cake became part of the ceremony. I’ve always seen it as part of the party afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/34 "2014-05-07T05:26:33Z")
> [@Captain\_Ektar](#): > > I wouldn’t want to force a Christian baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding ceremony any more than I would want to force a black photographer to shoot a KKK wedding or an Indian catering company to provide food at a meeting for the beef cattle industry. It’s simply a matter of an individual having the freedom to not knowingly participate in the celebration of something one profoundly disagrees with. The specifics of this situation though are interesting and I’m not sure how I feel about it. Trying to think through the implications of this sticker program they have going. Touché! And this has NOTHING to do with religion! After all, there must be countless bakeries (like other small businesses) that display a sign reading “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/35 "2014-05-07T05:52:54Z")
I love how suddenly, people deciding of their own volition that they’ll serve homosexuals, and saying so, is oppressing Christians. Dear Buddy Smith: I do not have the right to swing my fist at your face just because your face is in a location that would be very convenient for my fist. If you disagree with me on that point… Well, all of a sudden, there’s exactly one place my first wants to be, and that is exactly where your face is. Maybe some days it’ll take a vacation to where your testicles are. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/36 "2014-05-07T06:02:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I love how suddenly, people deciding of their own volition that they’ll serve homosexuals, and saying so, is oppressing Christians. Dear Buddy Smith: I do not have the right to swing my fist at your face just because your face is in a location that would be very convenient for my fist. Actually, this is like someone coming up to you, grabbing your arm and trying to force you to punch someone else while screaming that you are oppressing them by not punching the other guy. It’s bigoted and demented, a two-for-one bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/37 "2014-05-07T06:28:56Z")
> [@OldGuy](#): > > Wow, just wow. How are the gay, lesbian, etc, customers supposed to know where to take their business? Is it expected that they just must be refused at places until they luck out? They’re actually helping the Christians by making less likely one of them will accidentally provide service to a sinner. And how are the businesses being silenced? Let them put up big signs saying they won’t provide the service. > > I wonder if signs saying “Se habla espanol.” obviously must mean the store supports illegal immigrants? Many groups already publish directories of businesses that cater to them. Why not use those? Quick story: a friend owns a bed and breakfast inn and one time she got a call from a man who asked her specifically if she caters to gays and lesbians. Friend said she’s friendly to them but doesnt cater especially to them. At that the caller asked the name again and said he was calling the wrong business. Apparently he was looking for another nearby bad and breakfast that did just cater to gays and lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/38 "2014-05-07T13:35:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Smith offers a word of caution for those who do business with facilities posting the decal supporting homosexual activism. “If you do that, you are agreeing with these businesses that Christians no longer have the freedom to live out the dictates of their Christian faith and conscience,” he tells OneNewsNow. - Would some Christian please explain this statement to me? ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/39 "2014-05-07T19:24:12Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Would some Christian please explain this statement to me? Sure. He is deluded. You are welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568/40 "2014-05-07T20:21:47Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Would some Christian please explain this statement to me? The view they have is that the wording describes the ‘religious freedom’ law as discrimination and that by putting it in those terms, the attempt is to shame businesses that follow their conscience and religion to refuse gay people service. They are also people that said Kmart should be ‘neutral in the culture war’ and fire Ellen as their spokesperson. Because you see, neutral is either pretending gay people don’t exist or actively working against them. (see their support for Dan Cathy ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-blatant-oppression-of-christians/687568.md?page=3)