# More Democratic gay-bashing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325 "2002-10-29T00:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/1 "2002-10-29T00:59:52Z")
> [@](#): > > “He’s an ultra-liberal,” Sanders said. "His wife kicked him out and he moved in with two gay men and a Shih Tzu. > > “Is that South Carolina values? I don’t think so.” I put this OP in GD so Democratic apologists would have an opportunity to explain why this comment by Democrat Alex Sanders isn’t homophobia. BTW, compare Sanders’s line: **"Is that South Carolina values? I don’t think so."** with the last line of the infamous Taylor attack ad in Montana: **That’s not the way we do business in Montana."** ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/2 "2002-10-29T01:20:19Z")
Considering your history, I’d like to see the whole context (cite, etc) before making any judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/3 "2002-10-29T01:21:44Z")
I’d like to see a source for the quote, but if it’s what you portray, then, yeah, it is homophobic. I’m a Democrat, but it’s obvious that both Democrats and Republicans can be homophobic, and, of course, there are both Democrats and Republicans who aren’t. If the quote is accurate, all it proves is that Judge Sanders is a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/4 "2002-10-29T01:21:57Z")
Yawn. Another **december** screed tarring liberals. What a surprise! How long will it be until he starts that tired game of _6 Degrees of Bill Clinton_ wherein everything evil has its roots in the Clinton White House. You need another hobby, **december**. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/5 "2002-10-29T01:22:06Z")
Who the hell is Alex Sanders? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/6 "2002-10-29T01:24:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Who the hell is Alex Sanders? \*\* Democratic candidate for Senate from SC. He’s running against Lindsey Graham. [http://www.sanders2002.com/](http://www.sanders2002.com/) ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/7 "2002-10-29T01:25:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phoenix Dragon \* > \*\*Considering your history, I’d like to see the whole context (cite, etc) before making any judgement. \*\* Sorry, I left out the cite. Here it is. [http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4373331.htm](http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/4373331.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/8 "2002-10-29T01:27:14Z")
This of course typifies all Democratic campaigns, Democratic morals, and Democrats in general. This is what Democrats are all about. Any Democrats that choose to remain Democrats after seeing this prove their own suport of homophobia. Non homophobic Democrats will now immediately recant, and come over to the Republican party, the party known across the world for tolerance and inclusiveness. That will be all. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/9 "2002-10-29T01:31:32Z")
Who is being bashed here? I think a straight man moving in with two gay men \* is \* rather liberal. Is that bad? No. I wouldn’t be so bold as to declare what “South Carolina values” are or aren’t, but I think it’s a fairly safe bet that homosexuality doesn’t rank really high on the hit parade. That’s unfortunate…but to me (liberal that I am) that reflects poorly on South Carolina, not gay people. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/10 "2002-10-29T01:35:55Z")
Here’s the complete quote, from the Charleston Post-Dispatch [http://www.charleston.net/pub/archive/news/26debate.htm](http://www.charleston.net/pub/archive/news/26debate.htm) > [@](#): > > But Sanders pounced, saying he’d never met either Kennedy or Clinton and that Graham was the one associating with liberals, noting the TV ad help he received from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. > “We all admire what he did during the 9/11 crisis, but he is an ultra-liberal,” Sanders said. “He supports gay rights; he supports banning all handguns; he supports abortion. His wife kicked him out, and he moved in with two gay men and a shih tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don’t think so.” South Carolina is a pretty conservative state, and both candidates are trying to portray themselves as the heir to Strom Thurmond, and their opponent as some sort of wild eyed liberal. The fact is, for better or for worse, most South Carolinians don’t support gay rights, banning handguns, or abortions, so if Sanders can link Graham with those views, Graham’s going to suffer, and by saying that Guliani supports those things, and making a link, he hopes to do that. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/11 "2002-10-29T01:54:14Z")
It’s just an example of [boogeyman politics](http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2002/10/28/build/political/boogeymen.php?nnn=2) Yes, it was a statement that played on gay bashing. It was uttered by a “good ol’ boy” from SC. So, what else is new? Would Ted Kennedy have said that in a debate? No. Would any Northern Democrat of National prominence? No. But you can get away with it in the South. That’s life. I don’t approve of what he said, but don’t try to make this out to be a **Democratic Official Line** type of thingy. Please? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/12 "2002-10-29T01:56:01Z")
Thanks for the clarification, Captain. And I can now state that I don’t see any gay-bashing going on anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/13 "2002-10-29T02:20:39Z")
It sounds like gay-bashing, but what do you expect from South Carolina? Even the “liberals” there are intolerant sludge. But that is definitely the last time I eat at one of Col. Sanders’ restaurants… Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/14 "2002-10-29T02:27:08Z")
It sounds like gay-bashing, but what do you expect from South Carolina? Even the “liberals” there are intolerant sludge. But that is definitely the last time I eat at one of Col. Sanders’ restaurants… Kirk ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/15 "2002-10-29T02:37:58Z")
No! A double-post! Curse the hamsters! CURSE THEM! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/16 "2002-10-29T02:55:25Z")
They must be EVIL LIBERAL GAY ATHIEST HAMSTERS!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/17 "2002-10-29T02:58:38Z")
Anyone else think that **december** is just doing all of this for shits and giggles? He’s turning into a parody of himself. And really, that’s just sad. ---
**Author:** ![Sterra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@Sterra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterra)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/18 "2002-10-29T03:37:59Z")
Stuff like that is why I am trying to transfer to some college far far away from south carolina. Our democrats think the republican party is too liberal. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/19 "2002-10-29T04:36:25Z")
OK, now that this discussion has gone on a little bit, I have a question: **december** : Did you have a point? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/20 "2002-10-29T04:47:06Z")
For about the twentieth time in the past two months, **december** posts a veiled rant based on a press quote, and for about the twentieth time, within a few replies, he is shown to have either fabricated the quote entirely, or omitted key words which establish the context. Good going, **december**. I’ve gleaned quite a lot of interesting information from the threads you start, _all of it from posters other than yourself_. From you…not so much. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325.md?page=2)