# More Democratic gay-bashing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325 "2002-10-29T00:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/41 "2002-10-29T17:52:06Z")
> [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## _Originally posted by El\_Kabong_ you haven’t, however, shown that all Democrats, or even many, are closet homophobes, which is what your OP seems to imply. > > That may be your mis-reading of the OP, but you cannot point to any words of mine which make that implication. From your thread title: “ **More** Democratic Gay Bashing” Nowhere does your OP state that someone, anyone, thinks “Republicans are bad people”, or provide evidence of such, yet you claim that your intent was to highlight this supposed behavior by, well, whoever it was that supposedly did it. Since numerous other posters apparently “mis-read” the intent of your OP as well, perhaps, just suggesting here, perhaps you may want to examine your posts a little more carefully to determine whether you are making your premise clear to most readers. > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## I simply pointed out that you have edited the referenced quote in a clumsy attempt to bolster your position, > > I did no editing. The OP provided as much of the quote as I knew about from the cite I had. The remainder of the quote came from a cite provided later by Captain Amazing. OK, so the source of the misquote was the article you quoted. I take it you now withdraw the premise of your OP. > [@](#): > > You didn’t quote a partial sentence to justify your assertion that I called many, most or all Democrats “closet homophobes.” If you don’t believe that “many, most or all Democrats are ‘closet homophobes’”, or alternatively that many, most or all Democrats will pose as homophobic when it serves their interests in an election campaign, then why have you tried to use this as a premise in two recent GD threads? Answer or not, as you wish. I’ve said all I’m going to say about your evasions in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/42 "2002-10-29T17:57:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*Mtgman points out that this particular instance should not be used as justification in any kind of assertion about the homophobic/non-homophobic tendencies of all Democrats. I fully agree. He also seems to imply that I claimed it did, which is a way of exaggerating the OP in order to refute it. \*\* This is a damned lie. Your OP was a leading question which implied that Alex Sanders’ actions were supported by Democrats, especially “Democratic apologists” on this board. You did the exact same thing in the thread about the Montana campaign. It was a damned lie in both cases. The world does not run on your stereotypes. It is pathetic that you seem to continually run up against this fact and be utterly incapable of understanding it. All you’ve managed to do is show yet another example of your useless contributions to the fight against ignorance. For the record, I am not a Democrat. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Lao](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dr.Lao](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Lao)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/43 "2002-10-29T18:14:33Z")
Did Giuliani actually move into a house with two gay men and a Shih Tzu? Is a Shih Tzu a more liberal breed of dog than, say, a German Sheperd? ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/44 "2002-10-29T18:14:44Z")
OK, **december,** now two of the people you asserted were > [@](#): > > Democrats [who]are so committed to the idea that their party is the “good guys” they will deny the obvious, turn out not to be Democrats (to wit, Scylla and Mtgman). Why do you supporse these non-Democrats are so committed to the idea that to the idea that the Democratic party is the “good guys”? Perhaps they are not, and therefore your thesis is incorrect, hmm? Sua ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/45 "2002-10-29T19:11:33Z")
There is a rule against posts accusing people of trollery, so I need to stress that the main text of this post is intended as ironic, not an intentional accusation, but… Has it occurred to anyone else but me that the sorts of half-baked arguments in support of extremist Republican positions and strongly condemning any peccadillos attributable to Democrats, coupled with the sort of innuendo and slams-by-implication that turn most thoughtful people off, are actually among the strongest vehicles the Democratic Party could have in turning people against Republicans? Which would imply that **December** ’s avowed liberal past is actually not merely in the past, but that he has found a technique for advancing Democratic politics by creating mockeries of Republican stances that will cause thoughtful people to look with favor on the Democratic Party and its candidates? Kind of like how Gus Hall used to endorse the candidates he hated back in the 50s, knowing that a Communist endorsement would cause people to vote against them? ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/46 "2002-10-29T19:11:45Z")
Haven’t y’all figured it out yet? **december** is working on his thesis: _High School Debating Society Tactics: Practical Applications_. His posts here are just field research. Discovering the truth, or even convincing others, is not the object: simply scoring “points” is. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/47 "2002-10-29T19:22:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\* strongly condemning any peccadillos attributable to Democrats \*\* Good for you, **Polycarp**. At least you noticed that the comment had some degree of offensiveness. Now that I’ve praised **Polycarp** , his/her reputation on this Board is shot! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/48 "2002-10-29T19:24:24Z")
For the record, I’m a democrat (moderate liberal), and everybody else in my family is republican (moderate conservative). Do I think they’re bad people? No. (Although my sister has a quite a temper) Do they think I’m a bad person? No. We disagree on some issues and agree on others. _Just like virtually everybody else in the world._ Myth about dems and reps? Of course it’s a myth. Why does it even come up around here? Perhaps because _specific_ people in both parties have done stupid, offensive, irritating things? Well, fine. Maybe we can keep the arguments specific and not engage in the same sort of broad sweeping condemnations that are often found on some of the unsavory message boards. Besides **everybody** knows that moderates are the only good people in the world. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/49 "2002-10-29T19:38:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by photopat \* > **Myth about dems and reps? Of course it’s a myth. Why does it even come up around here?** I agree that the posters here on this Board do not repeat the _Republicans are evil_ myth. That’s to your credit. However, the myth does get reiterated fairly often in the outside world. E.g., see [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141761#newpost). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/50 "2002-10-29T19:49:57Z")
Since I was so vociferous in the other thread in saying that Baucus displayed no homophobia, I want to chime in here and say, of course Sanders is using homophobic tactics to smear his opponent. No doubt. **December** , if you’re trying to use this to prove that some Democrats are bigots, bravo! Excellent proof! I wonder if you’d be so kind as to prove that some Web sites begin with http:// , or if you’d be willing to prove that some dogs like to eat cat poop. A writing professor in college once told me that a paper’s thesis should follow two rules: 1. Don’t be stupid. (e.g., “A flyer showing a blue woman wearing a pink boa is clearly a sign that the flyer’s creator is a homophobe.”) 2. Don’t be obvious. (e.g., “Some Democrats are bigots.”) You might consider following these rules in your OPs. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/51 "2002-10-29T19:54:59Z")
ONE cartoon. ONE FREAKING EDITORIAL CARTOON!!! I assume you’re unfamiliar with the unfunniness that is Mallard Fillmore? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/52 "2002-10-29T19:58:58Z")
Republican **Scylla** , Republican **Scylla** , Republican **Scylla.** ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/53 "2002-10-29T20:08:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > \*\*Republican **Scylla** , Republican **Scylla** , Republican **Scylla.** \*\* WHO DARES SUMMON ME!!??!! ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/54 "2002-10-29T20:43:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > I want to chime in here and say, of course Sanders is using homophobic tactics to smear his opponent. No doubt. You and I agree on this point. However, note that the homophobia of Sanders’s comment was not perceived by some other posters. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/55 "2002-10-29T20:57:27Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by december \* > \*\* I agree that the posters here on this Board do not repeat the Republicans are evil myth. That’s to your credit. However, the myth does get reiterated fairly often in the outside world._\* Agreed. As does the “liberals are evil” myth. ---
**Author:** ![JDM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90db22/32.png) [@JDM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDM)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/56 "2002-10-29T21:06:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*You and I agree on this point. However, note that the homophobia of Sanders’s comment was not perceived by some other posters. \*\* The context, even in the article, still was not complete. I will readily admit that the statement might have been an appeal to South Carolina homophobia, but with only the quoted section and not the full context, I think that it is possible that Sanders was pointing out how Graham’s actions do not match his words. BUT- this thread actually ended when **december** said: > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > Originally posted by tomndebb > (And, of course, no Republcan has ever resorted to mudslinging in a campaign, portraying Democrats as, say “opposed to ‘family’ values.”) > > ## That is supposed to be a discussion point? sheeesh > > Except that the norm was reversed in this case. The norm was reversed. I couldn’t have said it better. JDM ---
**Author:** ![JDM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90db22/32.png) [@JDM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDM)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/57 "2002-10-29T21:11:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*You and I agree on this point. However, note that the homophobia of Sanders’s comment was not perceived by some other posters. \*\* The context, even in the article, still was not complete. I will readily admit that the statement might have been an appeal to South Carolina homophobia, but with only the quoted section and not the full context, I think that it is possible that Sanders was pointing out how Graham’s actions do not match his words. BUT- this thread actually ended when **december** said: > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > Originally posted by tomndebb > (And, of course, no Republcan has ever resorted to mudslinging in a campaign, portraying Democrats as, say “opposed to ‘family’ values.”) > > ## That is supposed to be a discussion point? sheeesh > > Except that the norm was reversed in this case. The norm was reversed. I couldn’t have said it better. JDM ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/58 "2002-10-29T21:36:14Z")
Kirkland wrote: > [@](#): > > Even the “liberals” there are intolerant sludge. That is the single most stupid assertion I’ve ever seen in Great Debates. Congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/59 "2002-10-29T21:57:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*You and I agree on this point. However, note that the homophobia of Sanders’s comment was not perceived by some other posters. \*\* Noted. If I found someone on these forums with whom I agreed 100%, I’d be very worried. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2002, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325/60 "2002-10-29T22:11:38Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by december_ > **note that the homophobia of Sanders’s comment was not perceived by some other posters.** Aside from **Stoid** (whom, with respect, I don’t think should be considered representative of the SDMB as a whole) I’ve not seen that. The closest I’ve seen is people saying that it’s dirty politics, as per the _status quo_. Putting it in context isn’t the same as refusing to acknowledge it. It was part of a string of slurs intended to evoke many of the prejudices of the voter against Sanders’ opponent. Simply because they didn’t address it as specifically as you did, and instead condemmed the entire statement as mud-slinging, that means they are ignoring/endorsing it the piece of it which was homophobic? I’m also hurt that you buddy up with **DanielWithrow** when he acknowledges the homophobic nature of the comment but I said the exact same thing “This seems to be a clear case of Democratic gay-bashing. I think it’s slimy and I would gleefully vote “none of the above” were I a citizen of South Carolina.” and I get ignored. What’s he got that I don’t? _cry_ Enjoy, Steven [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-democratic-gay-bashing/134325.md?page=4)