# More evidence certain religious types are fooking nuts. (RO) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 1, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966 "2008-07-01T21:30:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/df705f/32.png) [@Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Full_Metal_Lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/21 "2008-07-02T01:09:58Z")
More religious nuttery… While I understand that dogs are seen as unclean in many moslem faiths, I tend to agree with the posters who advocate culturalisation. If I moved to an imaginary country where men wore pretty little frocks, I would not assume a right to say “Real men wear boot cut jeans” (not something I believe, btw, but for the sake of argument…), or to take offense at ads showning the citizens of that country in pretty little frocks. When in Rome and all that… Here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, we have an entire neighbourhood that has for at least 25 yrs gone all out with Halloween Decorations. It is called Halloween Alley. They raise huge amounts of money and food donations for our local food bank by encouraging the people who wish to drive through and see these decorations to drop off a donation while they “visit”. A few yrs ago a church at one end of this sytretch was bought by a very conservative religious group, who started (after they bought it) to try and have the annual display outlawed (as it was, according to them, a celebratiopn of occult and satanic ideals). They more or less got laughed out of court/city hall as they knew full well what the neighbourhoods well documented and even historical activities were, and had no civil right to expect change to suit their minority views. Regards FML ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/22 "2008-07-02T01:28:38Z")
[QUOTE=Full Metal Lotus] A few yrs ago a church at one end of this sytretch was bought by a very conservative religious group, who started (after they bought it) to try and have the annual display outlawed (as it was, according to them, a celebratiopn of occult and satanic ideals). [/QUOTE] So if the church hadn’t tried to outlaw anything but had just said they weren’t going to put up halloween stuff themselves, would that be OK? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/23 "2008-07-02T02:30:22Z")
(I don’t think anyone who read the article is actually outraged, no, Princhester.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/24 "2008-07-02T07:02:47Z")
The response sounds reasonable to me. The owners of the shops have decided not to display something they find offensive. Color me silly but I would imagine that for some Muslims a poster of a dog put up in their shop would be like putting up a poster of a pig in a Jewish butcher shop or maybe a poster with a string-bikini-clad model in Deseret Book. The bit above about eating dogs in Korea doesn’t address the rationale behind that particular outrage nor the animal rights groups in Korea against the incredible abuse involved. Nor does it even mention that dog is not regulated here as a food item. That’s a whole other (sorry) kettle of fish than mild displeasure over an unintentionally offensive poster gaffe. By the way, didn’t some charity or government agency make headlines not so long ago for sending “Christmas Hams” to a number of members of a Jewish group? I recall hearing about it but not when or where. Sometimes the gaffes are unintentional and sometimes the reaction is subdued, regardless of how the British tabloid in question decides to tro…er, get potential readers interested in the day’s issue. ---
**Author:** ![Sleel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Sleel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleel)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/25 "2008-07-02T07:21:41Z")
[QUOTE=Tanaqui] Well, it certainly doesn`t stop some people from being `outraged` that Koreans eat dogs, or that the Japanese kill cute little whales and eat cute little horses and they are doing that in their own countries. [/QUOTE] The outrage over the whaling is that they’re blatantly lying about killing whales for “research purposes.” And they don’t do their whaling in their home waters, they go clear to the other side of the world and screw with the ecology there because they’ve already killed off too many in their region. There’s plenty to be pissed off about without invoking the cuteness factor. ---
**Author:** ![Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/df705f/32.png) [@Full\_Metal\_Lotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Full_Metal_Lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/26 "2008-07-02T07:26:25Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] So if the church hadn’t tried to outlaw anything but had just said they weren’t going to put up halloween stuff themselves, would that be OK? [/QUOTE] Absolutely! They were in no way compelled to do so legally… What they were trying to do was shut the whole nieghbourhood decoration thing down. Apparently, they bought the church as a way of grabbing headlines.. they sold the church the next yr.. what rhymes with “fucking twits” fml ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/27 "2008-07-02T07:50:16Z")
[QUOTE=Full Metal Lotus] Absolutely! They were in no way compelled to do so legally… What they were trying to do was shut the whole nieghbourhood decoration thing down. [/QUOTE] Now go and read the article linked to the OP. Carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/28 "2008-07-02T07:55:28Z")
Can we deport everyone in America who’s _outraged_ at other people’s saying “Happy holidays,” or who’s _outraged_ about Halloween celebrations? 'Cause that would be sweet. Also those people who are outraged because some of us like our pets “too much.” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/29 "2008-07-02T09:54:34Z")
[QUOTE=Gala Matrix Fire] Can we deport everyone in America who’s _outraged_ at other people’s saying “Happy holidays,” or who’s _outraged_ about Halloween celebrations? 'Cause that would be sweet. **Also those people who are outraged because some of us like our pets “too much.”** [/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck them especially! ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/30 "2008-07-02T10:34:31Z")
[QUOTE=Tanaqui] So let me get this straight. You read an article in the Daily Mail–the real life equivalent of a big fat troll–and decided to pit an entire group of people because according to your very own cite, they have displayed such enormous outrage and anger over this that “some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.” I repeat, SOME SHOPKEEPERS HAVE REFUSED TO DISPLAY THE ADVERT IN THEIR OWN GODDAMN SHOPS. That is the _only_ sign of outrage the Mail can muster. And you want to deport them over this!? because they have the right to decide what to put in their own goddamn shop? Jesus fuck, who is the nutcase here? [/QUOTE] Exactly. Set the dogs on these dumb fucks. Or maybe deport them. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/31 "2008-07-02T12:51:13Z")
[QUOTE=Tanaqui] I find it ironic that a bunch of Americans–living in a country where shopkeepers can refuse to employ people not of their own religion [/QUOTE] I find it ironic that you are unaware of our antidiscrimination laws.\* Big deal about the “advert” - but what happens when Tariq and Mustapha are making a drug run in Dundee and their Mini-Cooper is stopped by the police? Do the cops have to use drug-sniffing cats? \*although they might not apply to the bookshop in the basement of the Fred Phelps Church Of The Self-Basting Hellfire. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/32 "2008-07-02T12:56:19Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Big deal about the “advert” - but what happens when Tariq and Mustapha are making a drug run in Dundee and their Mini-Cooper is stopped by the police? Do the cops have to use drug-sniffing cats? [/QUOTE] Surely you can see this isn’t even vaguely analogous to the situation linked to by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/33 "2008-07-02T13:06:18Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Big deal about the “advert” - but what happens when Tariq and Mustapha are making a drug run in Dundee and their Mini-Cooper is stopped by the police? Do the cops have to use drug-sniffing cats? [/QUOTE] No. Next question? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/34 "2008-07-02T13:22:39Z")
Augh! People who take Daily Mail “Muslims try to ban \” stories at face value ought to be fucking deported. The various stupidities on display in this thread are positively heartbreaking. Anyone still outraged by this shameless lack of “acculturation” (beg pardon?) should read **Tanaqui** ’s first post over and over again until they understand. Jesus fuck indeed. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/35 "2008-07-02T13:32:58Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] What is more objectively offensive? Nature (a dog), or covering up nature (a burka)? [/QUOTE] Neither; there’s no such thing as “objectively offensive,” as nothing can be offensive without a subject who might take offense. It’s an entirely, inherently subjective description. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/36 "2008-07-02T13:55:06Z")
And here I thought people wrote content-free OPs because they were too lazy. Turns out sometimes they’re just too stupid. Learn something every day. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/37 "2008-07-02T13:58:34Z")
I am, however, totally visualizing this situation. Possibly as cast by Broken Lizard. Cat is brought out of cage, ceremoniously placed on roof. Walks around, decides the bonnet is nice and warm, settles for a nap. “Aha! Right, that’s it!” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/38 "2008-07-02T13:59:28Z")
[QUOTE=Simplicio] Surely you can see this isn’t even vaguely analogous to the situation linked to by the OP. [/QUOTE] No, I’d consider it a logical extension of the question of what police agencies should do to accomodate the cultural mores of dog-loathing immigrants, phrased with my usual biting wit. Do British cops even use drug-sniffing dogs in such searches? What do you do if an “unclean” animal has been roaming over your vehicle, leaving paw prints and drool on your upholstery? Are there car-cleaning services that will restore a sufficiently unsullied interior to allow the faithful to use their vehicles again? ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/39 "2008-07-02T15:57:48Z")
[Or… perhaps not.](http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp) > [@](#): > > Mr Asif’s comments have won little support among the public or Dundee’s Islamic community. > > Last night Mahmud Sarwar, trustee of the Scottish Islamic and Cultural Centre and the Dura Street mosque, appealed for calm. > > He said he had no problems with the postcard and called on homeowners and local businesses to display them as it is in the public interest. > > “I’ve not heard anything about that from members of the community,” Mr Sarwar said. > > “I was round some shops today and at the mosque and nobody has said anything about it.” > > Mr Sarwar said that religious sensitivities would prevent him from displaying the postcard on a building of religious significance but there was nothing to stop them being displayed in shops. > > “There is not a dog—it is just a picture,” he said. > > Mr Sarwar also queried whether the concerns raised by Councillor Asif belonged to him or his constituents. > > “Maybe that is his own thinking—everyone has the right to say things regarding their own wishes,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966/40 "2008-07-02T17:27:34Z")
I suspect that any serious objection from Muslims would only be because the dog in question is black. While dogs in general are repeatedly referred to as unclean in the Islamic Hadiths, there is permission for the use of dogs as work animals (such as hunting, herding, and guard dogs, more recently deemed also to include police dogs and guide dogs). just not as pets or kept in a house. However, there are repeated statements in the Hadiths that black dogs are instruments of Satan and should all be killed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-certain-religious-types-are-fooking-nuts-ro/454966.md?page=3)