# More evidence Libertarianism doesn't work in practice: Private Prisons **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445 "2016-08-20T21:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/41 "2016-08-21T22:21:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But even if we accept your premise, this is hardly an indictment of privately run prisons. It’s just an indictment of the way the federal government has managed that system. You get what you pay for, and if you want the prisons to perform to X, Y and Z standards, you have to pay them as measured by those standards. It’s pretty obvious from some of the quotes you gave from the article that our government did a not so good job negotiating the contracts. For example, there is nothing inherent in private prisons that requires “lock-up quotas”. The issue isn’t the lock-up quotas themselves, though, it’s that they highlight that the underlying motives for the private prison industry are actually directly counter to the overall public good. For-profit prisons require a regular stream of customers, just like any other business, but unlike most other businesses, a significant function of civilization as a whole is to reduce or eliminate their customer base. You can write laws forbidding governments from entering into contracts that include provisions for these sorts of quotas, but it doesn’t change the fact that the for-profit-prison industry is directly harmed by successful efforts to reduce recidivism, limit incarceration terms, decriminalize certain victimless crimes, or really do anything that reduces the amount of tax dollars we spend on the criminal justice system. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/42 "2016-08-22T06:06:51Z")
In the real world, this is something (just like many recent causes that were ignored until recently) that Libertarians I know have been against for at least 10-15 years (and in many cases 40 or more). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/43 "2016-08-22T06:33:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The issue isn’t the lock-up quotas themselves, though, it’s that they highlight that the underlying motives for the private prison industry are actually directly counter to the overall public good. For-profit prisons require a regular stream of customers, just like any other business, but unlike most other businesses, a significant function of civilization as a whole is to reduce or eliminate their customer base. You can write laws forbidding governments from entering into contracts that include provisions for these sorts of quotas, but it doesn’t change the fact that the for-profit-prison industry is directly harmed by successful efforts to reduce recidivism, limit incarceration terms, decriminalize certain victimless crimes, or really do anything that reduces the amount of tax dollars we spend on the criminal justice system. All true, but you don’t think the Dept of Corrections doesn’t have a similar conflict of interest when it submits its budget every year? I personally have no dog in the game of privatized prisons. I just don’t see where a contract can’t be set up such that the corporation running the prisons has financial incentives to reduce recidivism. Sure, they’ll have to predict how many inmates they need to plan for, but that’s not so different from other market analyses. Crime happens, just like purchases happen. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/44 "2016-08-22T14:50:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Faulty premise. Libertarians are not anarchists. They believe in limited, not non-existent, government. Some might argue that prisons should be privatized, but most Libertarians recognize a judicial system as one of the few valid functions of a government. The same would go for the police force and the military. You don’t have to be an anarchist to believe that privitization wherever possible is a good thing because you believe that governments are inefficient, corrupt and incompetent. Everything from schools to tax collection to prisons. Our brave men and women serving in the military and police OTOH are the cream of the crop while all other public employees are leeches. > [@](#): > > But even if we accept your premise, this is hardly an indictment of privately run prisons. It’s just an indictment of the way the federal government has managed that system. You get what you pay for, and if you want the prisons to perform to X, Y and Z standards, you have to pay them as measured by those standards. It’s pretty obvious from some of the quotes you gave from the article that our government did a not so good job negotiating the contracts. For example, there is nothing inherent in private prisons that requires “lock-up quotas”. Oddly enough, governments rarely ever seem to get those contracts right. Its almost as if you CAN’T get those contracts right because there is some flaw in the underlying premise. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/45 "2016-08-22T14:56:00Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Many don’t. I gave the example of a hamburger restaurant that doesn’t sell enough burgers: it gets closed. > > Also, hotels can fire employees, reduce cleaning from daily to weekly, fire the gourmet chef and hire a slop cook, and so on. The free market has ways to respond to this. But prisoners don’t have any free-market recourse, and are captive victims to service cuts. > > (This is another reason private prisons are bad libertarian models: they depend upon a captive market.) The libertarian rebuttal is that this is not a privatization but a public private partnership where you get he worst of both worlds. All the inefficiency of government and all the profit requirements of a private business. Of course they have an excuse for all the things that go wrong when these principles are applied, we’re just not doing ti right, or free marketing hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/46 "2016-08-22T15:01:52Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Private prisons failing is crony capitalism failing. Some company lobbies the state to be granted the privilege of operating a prison. This is a throwback to when the crown would grant a monopoly to an individual to operate a certain business in a given territory. This is exactly what classical liberalism (or libertarianism) was rebelling against in the 18th-19th century, and succeeded to a large degree. > > This is like saying libertarianism failed because the Fed didn’t print enough money in the financial crisis. The Fed, after all, is privatized. > > The government whips out a gun Clint Eastwood style and points it at a pot grower and tells him to go to prison, then draws another gun on the taxpayers and gives their loot to the prison company. I’m having trouble seeing where the principle of non-aggression is being followed here. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes Milton Friedman confused a lot of people about libertarianism and effectiveness. He helped institute income tax withholding, which helped make the government more effective at looting taxpayers. > > Of course libertarians also stray when they emphasize “freedom”. Government transfers of wealth can increase freedom for plenty of folks. Unemployment benefits are definitely a freedom enhancer for a lot of people I know. So what are you saying? That the TRUE central principle of libertarianism isn’t smaller government or more freedom, it is lower taxes? Or is it just freedom from coercion as long as you don’t coerce anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/47 "2016-08-22T15:04:01Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > I think I can add a little here. > > I am not going to comment on the Libertarian philosophy, mainly because this is a US centric message board and my take on it would be out of the correct context. > > But, > > What about privately run prisons - Well in the UK, we have a small number of them, we had one run by some outfit called Wackenhut at a prison called HMP Coldingley. It seems they were not making enough money, so they simply walked _ **from a fully populated prison and left the place locked up behind them!!!** _ > > Nope, not making that up, the state had to step in on the very same day and take over - not an easy thing to do considering all the daily functions such as feeding that have to be pre-planned. > All prisons in the UK are inspected, they are given a rating of between 1 to 4, 4 being highest, 1 being lowest. > > The idea was to ‘drive standards up’ HAH! DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH! > > The aim was to give the government a stick to beat the public sector prisons over the head. The idea was supposed to be compare the standards in one prison to another, and of course its obvious which ones would be better. > > Except that every single private prison measures worse than every publicly run prison, to the extent that each and every private prison in in the lowest performing quartile of the rating system > > What that actually means is that private prisons perform worse in terms of violence, suicide, rehabilitation, even the prisoners themselves don’t feel safe in private prisons. > > As to why, well one must suspect the low staffing levels, and the low wages which attract a certain capability of staff are likely the main culprits. Private prisons tend to cost less to run than the public sector, however the true cost is in the reoffending, which is worse, so the full burden of cost should also include the cost of reoffending, and in such a case, I suggest I is highly likely that private prisons cost more to the public than state run prisons. > > Its all about where you measure value for money, is it in running the institution or is it in the total cost to society? Being penny wise is frequently easier to prove than being pound foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/48 "2016-08-22T15:07:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So what are you saying? That the TRUE central principle of libertarianism isn’t smaller government or more freedom, it is lower taxes? Or is it just freedom from coercion as long as you don’t coerce anyone else? And we’re into La-La-Libertarian Land. For all the definitive, black and white, stand-up shouting LIbs do, when you try to pin their notions down to either a coherent picture and/or reality, they slide around like a blob of mercury. No restatement of their claims is ever quite right, or “not believed by most/real/true Libs” or just “not what I said” - even when it’s just a restatement of the same sentence. What Libertarians want is for the world to fuck off and leave them alone, no matter what they do… but still be there, warts, Democrats and all, where it so personally benefits them. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/49 "2016-08-22T15:49:25Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > A government structure that served 100 million will not serve 200 million simply by doubling in size. Are economies of scale not workable with the government? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/50 "2016-08-22T16:01:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Are economies of scale not workable with the government? Absolutely, and barring the unavoidable exceptions, that’s how it does work. The government can do things at a scale few corporations can touch, and do it on an absolutely nonprofit basis, and do it for the benefit of all who need it, regardless of whether they represent “profitable” clients. And other than the nearly untouchable military and defense budget, every other department has been under the endless hammer of budget restriction for decades, and they still manage to do their jobs - except where the cuts have reduced them to ineffectiveness, meaning that their budget “waste” is much higher because they keep at it with fewer positive results. The maxim that “government is too large and has to be cut by some large percentage” has had its day, and achieved little but damage - starting with things like the whopping damage Prop 13 did to California. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/51 "2016-08-22T16:08:28Z")
The premise is faulty all over the place. Private prisons are not a libertarian concept, it’s old fashioned anti-government pro private industry conservatism. We have a prison problem partially due to a lack of libertarian practices in drug laws. The problem is a lack of government responsibility and competence which can be blamed on the major political parties but not libertarians who barely exist in the lawmaking process. There are numerous other problems that affect the justice and penal system, lack of jobs, failing education system, entrenched bloated police bureaucracy, revolving door recidivism, some of these things addressed by libertarians, others not. OTOH, it’s a total indictment of the private prison system. No one would want to operate such facilities if held to the same standards as public prisons for the same amount of money. Public prisons already fail from lack of funding an the other problems already mentioned, there’s not going to be any capitalistic magic that will make things work better. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/52 "2016-08-22T16:10:14Z")
> [@SantaMan](#): > > Do you consider Libertarianism and Stalinism the only options? I’ll bet some do, because they figure in a slippery-slope factor. They figure any statist system will eventually _degrade_ into totalitarianism. At the same time, they believe that libertarianism is a simpler system - one that cannot be so thoroughly degraded by that either-all-good-or-all-bad thing called human nature. (I would tell them they’re focusing on the system’s parts and ignoring its potential outcomes.) ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/53 "2016-08-22T16:49:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Demonstrably untrue. A significant number of people clearly did think that prisons should be privatized, or it wouldn’t have happened. If that wasn’t due to the libertarians, then whom was it due to? People who wanted to break the prison guard union, wanted to reduce the pension costs of more government employees, and who didn’t want to pay to upgrade / build / maintain state owned prisons. However - as someone with Libertarian leanings - prisons don’t fit the model. A hotel can drop prices to attract new people - offering less for less (think Motel 6 vs the Hyatt). Prisons already operate under a model of offering the least amount of services necessary - so a race to the bottom to attract new tenants won’t work. Private prisons also don’t own the supply - they can just go out and arrest new people. Put simply - Private prisons to don’t work in a capitalist model. Now, as a LIbertarian-esque person, I would say that we have too many people in prison due to overreach by government in the police system, a poorly run court system where “swift justice” is a lie, and overwhelming power on the part of the DAs office when constructing deals. Fix that, and we could drop our prison costs significantly. Where might the privatization work? How about halfway houses and job training for prisoners? Privatize that, and make the payment based on getting former convicts into jobs and turned into contributing members of society. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/54 "2016-08-22T17:16:50Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Libertarians like to think that anything a government agency can do, the private sector can do better. You’ve managed to not answer this, so I’ll step up and ask for a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/55 "2016-08-22T19:02:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > All true, but you don’t think the Dept of Corrections doesn’t have a similar conflict of interest when it submits its budget every year? I personally have no dog in the game of privatized prisons. I just don’t see where a contract can’t be set up such that the corporation running the prisons has financial incentives to reduce recidivism. Sure, they’ll have to predict how many inmates they need to plan for, but that’s not so different from other market analyses. Crime happens, just like purchases happen. In addition, if we’re getting rid of private prisons because of conflict of interest we’ll have to get rid of all prison labor unions. Surely the union will fight to keep jobs. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/56 "2016-08-22T19:15:39Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > In addition, if we’re getting rid of private prisons because of conflict of interest we’ll have to get rid of all prison labor unions. Surely the union will fight to keep jobs. The other reason you might want to privatize something even like a prison is to take the politics out of it. When the government builds the prison, it gets to decide where it goes, and that’s a coup for whichever Congresscritter gets it built it in his district. Then just try and shut it down if it’s ever not needed… Anyway, there are problems associated with privatizing prisons, but let’s not forget that the government doesn’t always do things that are in the best interest of the people either. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/57 "2016-08-22T20:02:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > All true, but you don’t think the Dept of Corrections doesn’t have a similar conflict of interest when it submits its budget every year? Indeed aside from private prisons those most opposed to marijuana decriminalization have been the DEA and police organizations. Thing is the will of the people can override those organizations (as has been happening in several states). The private prisons though get a guaranteed minimum of cash from the state no matter how empty their prisons are. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/58 "2016-08-22T21:18:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Are economies of scale not workable with the government? Economies of scale are rarely linear. A corporation with 100 employees can’t be made into a working corporation with 200 employees, simply by having two of everyone they used to have one of. (Two CEOs? Two VPs of Finance? Meanwhile, only moving from two to four building maintenance guys or warehouse workers might not be enough.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-evidence-libertarianism-doesnt-work-in-practice-private-prisons/763445/59 "2016-08-23T09:43:20Z")
It’s cute that people are claiming that privatized prisons are not a Libertarian ideal or that Libertarians somehow are not in favor of this. From the Libertarian [Reason Foundation](http://reason.org/news/show/private-prisons): > [@](#): > > The evidence is overwhelming that the private sector delivers quality correctional services at lower cost to the benefit of taxpayers. Moreover, public official’s experiences with contracting for correctional services, through contract terms, legislation, and best practices, has resolved many of the thorny questions that come up when privatizing corrections is suggested. Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson on privatized prisons in the [Raycom News Network](http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/19971785/presidential-candidate-talks-guns-prisons) (1/30/2013): > [@](#): > > “I think good government is offering goods and services at lower prices,” Johnson said. “In the case of New Mexico, where we privatized half the state prisons, it was the same goods and services delivered for two-thirds the cost. In my opinions, that’s good government.” > > Aside from lower costs (something that is strongly contested by opponents of for-profit prisons), Johnson believes that by not being tied to a government agency, for-profit prisons would be easier to shut down. And the Koch Brothers - David was a Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate - are [all in favor](http://www.prwatch.org/news/2016/06/13115/koch-criminal-justice-reform-report-reentry-follow-money) of the privatized prison movement. Now of course this doesn’t mean that \*every \*Libertarian is in favor of privatized prisons. [But since](https://www.theadvocates.org/libertarianism-101/101-frequently-asked-questions/) “Libertarians want to replace as much government as they practically can with private, voluntary alternatives,” how much of a surprise is it that prisons would make the list for many of them? Hell, they want to privatize Social Security. But as I said in my OP, some Libertarians might feel that prisons shouldn’t be privatized (all but the most fanatical allow that government has some role and some responsibilities) but even in this thread we have seen the Libertarians who still think it’s a noble idea that is failing because of other factors, but really would work great if only there were different contracts, different private corporations, different rules. But that’s why I feel that this is an indictment of Libertarianism because it’s the same old song and dance - the government attempts to outsource something they usually handled, results show no measurable changes in cost, a lot of the same problems as when the government handled those things and a whole bunch of new issues as well, and they cry out that it just can’t be because the government could possibly do something better than the free market! It had to be something else. That’s exactly what [Reason reasoned](http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/18/the-justice-departments-war-on-private-p) in response to the DOJ report: make excuses and point to the situations that they deemed were favorable to the concept. Ask any Libertarian. They’ll make every excuse in the book why such experiments fail, but never actually concede that the flaw is actually their silly philosophy. So no, the scathing reports of the failures of privatized prisons are not the only reason Libertarianism sucks. But, as the thread title points out, it’s more evidence. Add it to the pile; there’s a lot more where that came from. ---
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