# more HS stupidity :Repeatedly Groped Teen Almost Gets Expelled for 'Boys Are Not Allowed to Touch Me

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [September 27, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056 "2018-09-27T20:46:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/21 "2018-09-27T22:13:43Z")

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> [@PastTense](#):
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> But boys are going to react to such a message by treating it as a challenge–and touching her, aren’t they?

Well, I suppose it depends. Are boys rational beings who respect the expressed wishes of other people about their bodily autonomy, or are boys inconsiderate “animals” for whom their own desire to get away with doing something forbidden overrides other people’s right to bodily autonomy?

If the former, then no problem: they see a shirt that says “don’t touch me”, and they won’t touch her because she has the right to decide who may or may not touch her. Simple.

If the latter, then it sounds like we need either to discipline those boys so that they learn how to respect other people’s autonomy, or remove them from school so their inability to behave with respect isn’t causing problems for other people.

Either way, I don’t think the correct response is to treat the boys’ misconduct as some kind of behavioral natural phenomenon that girls need to accept as a fact of life and figure out the correct workaround for.

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**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/22 "2018-09-27T22:18:12Z")

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> [@Bill\_Door](#):
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> Oh, I get it. So by saying she isn’t to be touched she’s asking for it. Of course, by asking to be touched she’d be asking for it as well. How would you recommend she deal with this?

I heard about this one country where women wear full-length black veils in public. Maybe we could try that?

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**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/23 "2018-09-27T22:55:10Z")

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Anyone else bothered by the lack of specifics in a supposed news story?

The kid, the mother, the goddamned Principal. They don’t even name the High School. Not even a ‘the Principal declined to comment’. The links are to ‘Working Mother’.

I’m gonna go ahead and call bullshit.

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**Author:** ![Sloe\_Moe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sloe\_Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sloe_Moe)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/24 "2018-09-27T23:18:56Z")

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I’m a guy and I always thought high school sucks. The princ’s behavior is the first of it’s kind that I’ve read about.

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**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/25 "2018-09-27T23:19:06Z")

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> [@Typo\_Negative](#):
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> Anyone else bothered by the lack of specifics in a supposed news story?

What do you mean, “supposed news story”? It says right in the article that it’s describing an account posted anonymously in the r/LegalAdvice online forum. I see no evidence that anybody’s trying to fool you into thinking that it’s a “news story”.

> [@Typo Negative](#):
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> I’m gonna go ahead and call bullshit.

I only hope you’re right. Sadly, there is nothing about the incidents as described that seems in any way implausible.

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/26 "2018-09-27T23:40:34Z")

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> [@PastTense](#):
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> But boys are going to react to such a message by treating it as a challenge–and touching her, aren’t they?

How old are they? That’s the kind of crap I expect from someone whose age is still measured in months, not double-figure years.

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/27 "2018-09-27T23:50:38Z")

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> [@Typo\_Negative](#):
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> Anyone else bothered by the lack of specifics in a supposed news story?
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> The kid, the mother, the goddamned Principal. They don’t even name the High School. Not even a ‘the Principal declined to comment’. The links are to ‘Working Mother’.
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> I’m gonna go ahead and call bullshit.

You may wish to hold off on that. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/9gz6oh/daughter_threatened_with_expulsion_over_tshirt/) is the reddit thread being referenced in the item on [msn.com](http://msn.com). It’s a legal advice subreddit to which the girl’s mother posted, seeking advice about how she should respond to the principal’s handling of the incident, particularly in light of the implied threat of further and harsher discipline.

One of the moderator comments on a deleted post is a reiteration of the subreddit’s policy that users are forbidden from using the platform to advise questioners to call the media or to post on social media, on the grounds that:

> [@Legal Advice subreddit](#):
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> Alerting the media to, or otherwise publicizing a potential legal situation creates additional risks and problems, and should only be done, if at all, with the counsel of a local attorney representing OP.

In this kind of format, fact-checking can be impractical, at best.

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**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/28 "2018-09-27T23:58:46Z")

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I live in the state this allegedly happened and was wondering myself. If there’s no followup from the reddit user, I wouldn’t get worked up over it. I mean, sadly that behavior by male students and circling the wagons by administrators is realistic and does happen. The threat of expulsion struck me as unrealistic; or else there is information missing from the story that would escalate the situation to that.

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**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/29 "2018-09-28T00:06:01Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> What does “hH” mean?

It means that some people refuse to edit their posts for basic clarity and comprehensibility even in a text medium.

Rather disrespectful to others, but I suppose this board puts up with worse.

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/30 "2018-09-28T02:05:58Z")

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Ehh. Not being able to edit our thread titles is a big part of the problem, imho.

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**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/31 "2018-09-28T05:34:13Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> What this board is really demonstrating is that I need either an editor or more time with a style/grammar book. ☹

Or you could just stop being a troll, but where’s the fun in that?

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**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/32 "2018-09-28T13:21:03Z")

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Yes, it is unnatural for teenage persons to be forced into situations where they do not see how adults interact with each other. Mandatory schooling, especially middle and high school is not an advisable program. Once someone reaches age 12 or 13, they should be integrated into adult society. No exceptions. The so-called “immature” teenage persons are those who most need this early integration.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/33 "2018-09-28T14:43:55Z")

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what?

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**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/34 "2018-09-28T15:53:30Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> what?

Here, I’ll translate:

> [@Translated From The Lolbertarian](#):
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> We need more child labor! Get the poor out of school and into sweatshops! Make America Third-World Again!

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/35 "2018-09-28T16:11:13Z")

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Oh yeah, that clears it up 🙂

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/36 "2018-09-28T16:23:08Z")

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Yeah, just assume anything **Warnaby** posts is straight out of Crazytown by way of Assholistan.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/37 "2018-09-28T16:28:25Z")

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> [@Bill\_Door](#):
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> Oh, I get it. So by saying she isn’t to be touched she’s asking for it. Of course, by asking to be touched she’d be asking for it as well. How would you recommend she deal with this?

[I have a suggestion](https://twentytwowords.com/1800s-siberian-bear-hunting-armor-turned-you-into-a-human-porcupine/).

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/38 "2018-09-28T16:37:39Z")

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> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> Yes, it is unnatural for teenage persons to be forced into situations where they do not see how adults interact with each other. Mandatory schooling, especially middle and high school is not an advisable program. Once someone reaches age 12 or 13, they should be integrated into adult society. No exceptions. The so-called “immature” teenage persons are those who most need this early integration.

I’ve told you before: You need to insert some smiley-face icons, or somehow make your sarcasm more blatant. Obviously this is a parody but … a parody of what?

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/39 "2018-09-28T16:43:49Z")

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And there goes Septimus Pot calling the Farnaby Kettle black again. As with Farnaby’s posts, Dopers often mistake my parody posts as sincere right-wing idiocy. So …

**[sarcasm on]** How can we call this the Home of the Free, Sweet Land of Liberty, if an American male isn’t free to grab pussy? You libtards who don’t think boys should have the Liberty to have fun, like they did in **Starving Artist** ’s 1950’s fantasy, should just move to Saudi Arabia where female bodies are inviolable.

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**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-hs-stupidity-repeatedly-groped-teen-almost-gets-expelled-for-boys-are-not-allowed-to-touch-me/822056/40 "2018-09-28T16:44:43Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> I’ve told you before: You need to insert some smiley-face icons, or somehow make your sarcasm more blatant. Obviously this is a parody but … a parody of what?

I think it’s parodies all the way down.

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