# More human waste.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [July 28, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490 "2005-07-28T00:30:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/21 "2005-07-28T03:10:33Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> How did I attack judges? All I did was say they made the decisions, which they do. I offered no opinion about the merit of those decisions. The swipe at CPS was both uninformed and uncalled for.
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> You may go fuck yourself now.
I believe you’ve been wooshed.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/22 "2005-07-28T03:15:17Z")
Fine, I was whooshed, but why?
**Metacom** , do you have some sort of real objection to anything I said? If so, what?
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### Author:  [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/23 "2005-07-28T06:15:16Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> CPS does not make decisions about custody. Judges make those decisions. I find this kind of uninformed swipe at CPS workers to be uncalled for and offensive.
Exactly. CPS has as its mission to _break up_ as many families as possible. If your kid falls of the swingset and gets a black eye and CPS hasn’t come by to haul them off to protective custody because you MUST be abusing them…well, obviously that means they’re overworked with a hell of a backlog and haven’t gotten around to you yet.
I agree, it’s uninformed and offensive to suggest that CPS has _any_ interest in protecting families.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/24 "2005-07-28T06:45:39Z")
> [@KGS](#):
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> Exactly. CPS has as its mission to _break up_ as many families as possible. If your kid falls of the swingset and gets a black eye and CPS hasn’t come by to haul them off to protective custody because you MUST be abusing them…well, obviously that means they’re overworked with a hell of a backlog and haven’t gotten around to you yet.
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> I agree, it’s uninformed and offensive to suggest that CPS has _any_ interest in protecting families.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, moron. Shut the fuck up. Is it painful to be that stupid?
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### Author:  [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/25 "2005-07-28T06:57:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, moron. Shut the fuck up. Is it painful to be that stupid?
Oh, [fuck](http://www.fightcps.com/) [off](http://reliableanswers.com/cps/) [yourself](http://www.beanswers.com/pages/Themondaleact.htm).
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/26 "2005-07-28T07:02:07Z")
Ooh…ignorant propaganda sites…on the internet…what a surprise.
Hey, fucko, I’ll say it again, CPS does not have the power to remove a child from a household. It can only be done by a judge.
Now fuck off, tool.
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### Author:  [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/27 "2005-07-28T07:06:11Z")
I tend to side with KGS on this issue. My family was “investigated” by CPS. We were cleared. After spending about $20,000 on legal and other fees, receiving abuse from CPS workers and those agencies they contract with, and being separated from our infant son.
Fuck CPS. Entirely.
They may actually do some good, but my experience with them was very bitter.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/28 "2005-07-28T07:09:58Z")
Why did you put “invsetigated” in quotation marks? Was it not really an investigation? Was there any REASON you were investigated? Hmmmm?
Or were the evil social workers just trying to take your kid for the pure sadistic pleasure of it?
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/29 "2005-07-28T07:13:00Z")
I’m sure some people can cite some valid abuse stories from some overzealous individual workers, just like it’s possible to cite abuse stories by cops, by doctors, by priests, by soldiers, by hockey coaches, etc. But if anyone tried to smear any of those professions as a whole, tehy’d get crucified here.
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### Author:  [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/30 "2005-07-28T07:16:28Z")
Diogenes, don’t be a shit. If I offended you by disrespecting CPS, well, I would apologize, but I don’t think it’s necessary.
I won’t go into details, but the “investigation” was a sham. The police had no evidence with which to press charges, our kids’ own pediatrician disagreed with the diagnosis, and to top it off, we were completely innocent.
Two years of harassment, legally sanctioned harassment, for nothing.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/31 "2005-07-28T07:17:36Z")
FYI, I’m married to a former social worker who was completely ethical and I know that the vast majority of those who work for CPS are ethical, decent people who care about kids, who bust their asses to keep families together and who take a lot of underserved abuse from ignorant assholes who believe that they’re all a bunch of cartoon devils out to steal children.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/32 "2005-07-28T07:21:13Z")
> [@Denis](#):
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> Diogenes, don’t be a shit. If I offended you by disrespecting CPS, well, I would apologize, but I don’t think it’s necessary.
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> I won’t go into details, but the “investigation” was a sham. The police had no evidence with which to press charges, our kids’ own pediatrician disagreed with the diagnosis, and to top it off, we were completely innocent.
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> Two years of harassment, legally sanctioned harassment, for nothing.
I believe you were innocent but what set CPS on you to begin with? They didn’t pick your name out of the phone book, and if your child was removed, some judge must have believed there was at least a possibility of a serious problem. Did someone make a false allegation?
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### Author:  [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/33 "2005-07-28T07:32:02Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> I believe you were innocent but what set CPS on you to begin with? They didn’t pick your name out of the phone book, and if your child was removed, some judge must have believed there was at least a possibility of a serious problem. Did someone make a false allegation?
I’d imagine anyone could blame anyone really, I don’t think it’s a case of smoke and fire. CPS was set on my parents when a mother of another kid at preschool saw bruises all over me. It took about a 5 minute visit from CPS to realise that I was just a really clumsy kid but I can see how a ball could get rolling.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/34 "2005-07-28T07:37:13Z")
There usually has to be more than a bare accusation to get a child removed even temporarily (Not saying there was anything to whatever got **Denis** investigated for so long but there must have been something circumstantial that at least _looked_ bad). What happened in your case is more typical. They come, they ask some questions, they leave. To get a judge to remove the child takes something fairly substantial.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/35 "2005-07-28T07:48:02Z")
Maybe I’m being oversensitive. I didn’t mean to hijack the thread. The woman in the OP is despicable. I don’t think charging her with neglect is nearly harsh enough and I hope she never sees that kid again.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/36 "2005-07-28T10:09:25Z")
Oddly enough, there are cases of the opposite occuring too, where families that shouldn’t be kept together are, with tragic consequences. This does not however imply that since there is a weird sort of “balance” that it’s all good. Incompetence on both sides isn’t fair for anyone.
Notice how a state with a large number of fuckups, at least on the “not stopping things” side, Florida, is also a state with an extremely small staff (and probably pay?) Not saying that taxes solve everything, but just sayin’…
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/37 "2005-07-28T12:36:11Z")
Again…has anyone considered the woman may be MENTALLY ILL? What the fuck is wrong with you people? You’re all set to burn this woman at the stake without having any information on whether or not she’s even competent enough to realize what she’s doing! You’re a vicious lot, you are.
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### Author:  [@Phish\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phish_Head)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/38 "2005-07-28T12:52:01Z")
> [@](#):
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> …she abandoned her 4-year-old son on the Capital Beltway, **then struck him with her car when he tried to get back in.**
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> The boy was treated at a hospital for cuts and bruises, police said. He later was placed in the custody of a child protective services agency.
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> [snip]
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> “As she attempted to drive off, the child was trying to get back in the vehicle and was knocked down,” said Sgt. J.L. Doss. That led to a hit and run charge.
I would say “unbelievable”, but nothing surprises me anymore in this screwed up world we live in.
:mad: :mad:
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### Author:  [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/39 "2005-07-28T13:01:13Z")
I think it’s possible that she can be treated with just some vitamins and exercise. :rolleyes:
Seriously though. That poor little boy needs lots of hugs. ☹
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [July 28, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-human-waste/314490/40 "2005-07-28T13:01:54Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#):
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> Again…has anyone considered the woman may be MENTALLY ILL? What the fuck is wrong with you people? You’re all set to burn this woman at the stake without having any information on whether or not she’s even competent enough to realize what she’s doing! You’re a vicious lot, you are.
She definately should not get the kid back. Even if she was found “MENTALLY ILL” and then somehow “CURED”.
But I would like to hear more about what was wrong with her. I would say anyone who left a child on a highway is “Mentally Ill”.
What is the full story, the link is dead.
I can’t really think of any rational non-criminal reason behind such an act.
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