# More Jew Conniving: Israeli Spies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988 "2004-08-28T20:17:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/21 "2004-08-29T00:52:20Z")
Sorry, I agree with the guests; this is NOT a Great Debate. Perhaps the mods should move to the Pit, especially since we already have a front-page thread on this topic? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/22 "2004-08-29T03:48:19Z")
Does this mean that I will never know if **MikeCollins** is the namesake of one of the greatest heroes in all of Irish history? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/23 "2004-08-29T03:58:41Z")
No. Being Jews is just their **cover**. They are really lizards. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/24 "2004-08-29T04:16:27Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Come on, people! How could you leave out the _ **Stonecutters** _? (They control the British crown, you know.) I’ve attended numerous Evil Power conventions (between my control of banking and my ownership of several death rays, it’s a given) and I’ve never seen any Stonecutters. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/25 "2004-08-29T04:35:26Z")
> [@Moonlight Drive](#): > > So, what are you trying to (Greatly) debate? So they are doing an investigation against a spy in the pentagon, who happens to be Jewish. What does that have to do with anything else? Actually, **Mr. Franklin is not Jewish at all**. He’s just alleged to have passed info to those who passed it to Israel. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/26 "2004-08-29T04:47:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, it’s a well known fact, Sunny Jim, that there’s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentaveret, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows. The Pentaveret is made up of the Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds, AND Colonel Sanders before he went tits up! > > Oh, I hated the Colonel with his wee BEADY eyes! and that smug look on his face, 'Oh! You’re gonna buy my chicken, OHHH! > > \ I immediately thought of that scene when I read the OP. Thanks. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/27 "2004-08-29T04:56:54Z")
**Moderator’s Note:** Since we already have at least [one other GD thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=273376) on the Israeli spy allegations, I think I’ll move the one with the inflammatory thread title to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/28 "2004-08-29T04:59:26Z")
Yaaaay! We’re in the Pit! Now I can call somebody a fuckwit or something. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/29 "2004-08-29T04:59:36Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > No. > Being Jews is just their **cover**. > They are really lizards. > Trust me. Ah, but what is being lizards a cover for, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/30 "2004-08-29T05:10:02Z")
They could mean to win Wimbleton. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/31 "2004-08-29T05:14:46Z")
Dude, you just blew your cover. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/32 "2004-08-29T06:25:02Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Ah, but what is being lizards a cover for, hmm? It is a cover for being… Elder Gods! Yea, verily, cthulu’s many tentacles of horror doth animate the very Jewish soul. ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/33 "2004-08-29T10:26:43Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > How do you know? Are you kidding me? If I had any cites, I would have given you the link. If I had more than a hunch, I would have simply posted “no” to your laughable assertions. Since I did not have any hard evidence - and neither do you, by the way - I simply said that it’s doubtful. I did not say that I know, so your question is imprecise. You know what doubt is, right? For example if people don’t know for sure something is bogus, but are inclined to believe so, they start doubting. Anyway, to give more of an explanation why I believe it is unlikely that _all_ of those nations spy on the USA: Germany has too much historical baggage to spy on allied nations right now and the UK has too much to lose to spy on the USA. France may or may not be spying and from all the indoctrination during the cold war, I think that you are right about Russia employing spies in foreign countries. That said, I think **presidebt** is right on with his reply. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/34 "2004-08-29T11:25:59Z")
> [@Governor Quinn](#): > > They could mean to win Wimbleton. May I just pick your nit? It’s Wimble **d** on. With a D. And should be pronounced that way, too. Nya nya. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/35 "2004-08-29T11:47:09Z")
> [@Governor Quinn](#): > > The OP is obviously mistaken. > > I control the banking system, and I’m not Jewish. So YOU’RE the guy responsible for the new $5/month fee USBank is charging in order to send me my monthly statement? Oh good. At least I know how to address my letter of complaint. "Dear Governor Quinn, Fuck you and the ATM you rode in on. Sincerely, Ms. Pundit" ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/36 "2004-08-29T13:57:21Z")
FRankly, I think espionage is highly overrated: if you have somebody (like the Walker family) who have an operative inside a sensitive area, yes, you can get worthwhile info on an enenmy. But look at the CIA…billions of dollars spent, and these guys couldn’t come up with anything! I read a report on this, and it found that you copuld get as much intelligence by reading the local newspapers, as the mighty CIA did with its thousands of agents. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/37 "2004-08-29T15:08:28Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > May I just pick your nit? It’s Wimble **d** on. With a D. And should be pronounced that way, too. Nya nya. 😛 Note to self: Never quote Monty Python without the script in front of me. Second note to self: Make sure **PunditLisa** never finds my home address. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/38 "2004-08-29T21:01:21Z")
> [@PaulFitzroy](#): > > There are surely spies from France, Germany, England, Russia, and probably even Canada working in the US government right now. This is the second time you’ve said it. It is a logical fallicy known as appeal to ignorance, and makes you look, well, ignorant. You openly admit that you don’t know that spies from other countries are here, so therefore every country must have spies here. Well, how about some facts for you? France: Has a very active commercial intelligence program, primarily aimed at US industry. Germany: I don’t have any factual knowledge of their operations, but a Google search hasn’t found any German diplomats who have been declared persona non grata. Britain and Canada: The US has extraordinarily close intelligence relations with these countries, primarily because they don’t spy on us. (If Israel didn’t spy on us, our intelligence services would probably have an even closer relationship, IMHO.) Russia: Of COURSE they spy on us. We kick out their diplomats routinely. And they are NOT AN ALLY. ---
**Author:** ![Dog80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@Dog80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dog80)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/39 "2004-08-29T21:21:07Z")
Another anti-semitism thread by **PaulFitzroy** :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988/40 "2004-08-29T21:34:36Z")
**Ravenman** The suggestion that other countries, including our allies spy on us isn’t tinfoil-hattery. After all, [we have, at least two times recently, spied on them.](http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19960101facomment4168/peter-schweizer/the-growth-of-economic-espionage-america-is-target-number-one.html) > [@](#): > > . French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua summoned U.S. Ambassador Pamela Harriman to his office on January 26 of this year to protest U.S. spying on French commercial and technological developments. According to Le Monde, cia agents flush with 500-franc notes tried to bribe a member of the French parliament to reveal France’s negotiating position on the nascent World Trade Organization. > [@](#): > > More recently, an October 15 story in The New York Times disclosed that American intelligence agents assisted U.S. trade negotiators by eavesdropping on Japanese officials in the cantankerous dispute over car imports. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-jew-conniving-israeli-spies/261988.md?page=3)