# More Lies and Bullshit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2004, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315 "2004-07-09T17:04:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/41 "2004-07-10T10:29:29Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The Bush military history controversy has reared its ugly little head again. You missed a great opportunity to use the word “rereared.” ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/42 "2004-07-10T10:31:14Z")
> [@Exgineer](#): > > I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal. All you really need is his discharge. Preferably in a glass vial with a rubber stopper. You wouldn’t want to get _ **that** _ all over you. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![EvilGhandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@EvilGhandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilGhandi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/43 "2004-07-10T10:51:59Z")
What I’d like to see is one clear thinking Democrat in the country. Don’t you realize that shrieking about this makes you look a brain cell short of sane? Lets sum up. The records were destroyed on 1996. The second term of a well known D aww fuck it. Face it you don’t have enough evidence to convict a black man in Georgia. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/44 "2004-07-10T12:10:00Z")
You know, Bush could rape and mutilate an “armadilla” on camera, at a press conference, and Bushites would think people were making a big deal about it if they complained. He can send American troops to die on a lie, and kill innocent Iraqis with his “humane” bombs, no big deal. What’s a few “inadvertantly destroyed” records? ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/45 "2004-07-10T12:24:46Z")
> [@EvilGhandi](#): > > What I’d like to see is one clear thinking Democrat in the country. > > Don’t you realize that shrieking about this makes you look a brain cell short of sane? > > Lets sum up. > > The records were destroyed on 1996. > > The second term of a well known D aww fuck it. > > Face it you don’t have enough evidence to convict a black man in Georgia. This is the goddamn silliest post I’ve ever read. a) No one is shrieking, you fucking moron. b) People suspect that the records were _not_ in fact destroyed in 1996. c) There’s not enough evidence to convict, as yet, and nor is there enough to exonerate, because the Bush team seems to be utterly, utterly incapable of tracking down a few simple items that appear to have existed only a few short weeks ago. d) God you’re fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/46 "2004-07-10T12:44:39Z")
Well, **DtC** linked to an article and quoted this: > [@](#): > > Tomlin said the AP has been informed that the microfilm in question does indeed exist. Tomlin said that because paper records can vanish and be tampered with, the microfilm “would erase any questions.” This, to me bring more questions. As in “informed by whom?” Were they informed that the the film wasn’t, in fact, destroyed? If not, why not? I mean, if you don’t want it out there in the public eye, and you’re willing to lie and say it was destroyed, then hell, why not destroy it? ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/47 "2004-07-10T12:53:22Z")
> [@jk1245](#): > > OK, the detryoed microfilm excuse is at least plausible, as Larry Mudd states. Still, why is this just coming up now?? People have been after Bush’s records for some time and never any mention of missing records with an official explanation of when and how they were destroyed? > > This stinks to high heaven. Heh. It’s not “just coming up now.” It’s coming up now _again_ because of the response to AP’s FOIA request. Now why would AP make such a request when Bush released a bunch of records, including payroll records, in February? Well, because the text along with the released documents [said at the time that the destroyed documents were “lost when they were being transferred to microfiche”](http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021004_bushmil.pdf) (sorry for the non-original source – I couldn’t find the thing on the White House website. Fox’ description of the loss is on page 9 of that .pdf). This week’s story confirms what the White House said in February. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/48 "2004-07-10T13:08:28Z")
If President George W. Bush is so clever that in 3 1/2 years he’s put into place the most comprehensive and effective damage control task force ever created, that would actually give me a reason to vote for him. Now _there’s_ leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/49 "2004-07-10T13:16:16Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > “lost when they were being transferred to microfiche”… confirms what the White House said in February. Transferred _to_, transferred _from_, my dog _ate my homework_, my homework _ate my dog_, all the fucking same, is it? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/50 "2004-07-10T13:28:22Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > d) God you’re fucking stupid. Take a fucking pill asshole! ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/51 "2004-07-10T13:34:52Z")
Anything you say, brainless tool. Which pill, the blue one or the red one? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/52 "2004-07-10T13:56:00Z")
> [@thermalribbon](#): > > Oh come on now. This has to be the biggest non-story yet. Like there aren’t lost records from every institution. Right. In this case it just happens to be records pertaining to a particular period of a future president’s questionable military history. A pretty selective coincidence. > [@](#): > > This is just the NYT trying to smear Bush by implying that the lost records somehow cover up some inconsistency or lie that Bush has told regarding his Air National Guard Service. > > And the people who buy into it follow like sheep. So reporting information that is put out on Reuters equates to the NYT smearing the little prick? They didn’t imply anything; they reported information supplied by the fucking _government_. Try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/53 "2004-07-10T21:00:22Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Coincidences DO happen. Coincidences DO happen, but an awful lot of “coincidences” have happened wrt to Dubya’s past. It’s WAAAAAY past the point at which any reasonable person would have to conclude it’s “enemy action.” I mean, we all try to keep an open mind, but many of us on the Dope haven’t yet had our brains fall out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/54 "2004-07-10T23:37:02Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > Which pill, the blue one or the red one? The blue one I think. Viagra is blue isn’t it? As I said before, you desparately need to get laid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315/55 "2004-07-11T01:49:26Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > No, I gotta better plan: one half of society could EAT the other half! That way the rightwing would finally serve some purpose, and us lefties would finally have something to appreciate them for. Plus, after eating them, it would cool to have Republican poop in my toilet. Careful, there, **lissener**. The right still has Limbaugh. I don’t know if that’s a fight we can win. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-lies-and-bullshit/254315.md?page=2)