# More Missing Nat. Guard Documents **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 6, 2004, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303 "2004-09-06T04:09:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/221 "2004-09-12T13:18:41Z")
[http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040920/usnews/20guard.htm](http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040920/usnews/20guard.htm) This report is based on the documents Bush released, not CBS memos. Bush falls short again. Again, the White House comment is not to reject the reasoning or argue to the contrary of the damning facts, but merely repeat that Bush served honorably, whatever THAT means to them. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/222 "2004-09-12T13:31:03Z")
> [@](#): > > How about this then: The Bush Administration knew they were fakes. Bush and Cheney were looking at them, and Cheney says, “Holy shit, dude! These thinks are as fake as Dan Rather’s teeth. What should we do about it?” This would explain things if they had stayed silent. Instead, they came out and said they had no reason to doubt their authenticity. This despite the fact that they directly contradict the stated position of the administration on the matter. And now, perhaps the second part of your theory is the case, because several news orgs are reporting that the very documents that McClellan waved around to show that Bush had completed his requirements show that he did not. > [@](#): > > What a horrible defense. His theory boils down to, “It’s not even proportional spacing - what you see is noise”. That allows him to declare that the document was produced on an IBM Selectric, a monospaced electric typewriter. His explanation for the ‘th’? Merely that a secretary must have typed this, and they’d know how to do that. Does seem pretty horrible, if you’re looking for absolute proof that they are real (which is what CBS should, admittedly, have demanded, and that case, for absolute sureity, seems to be falling apart). The reality is that we aren’t going to get that until someone actually runs through all the type balls that were available (instead of picking one that clearly isn’t the case), or tracks down Killian’s machine, and tries to reproduce the document. But he does offer an opinion contrary to the prima facie case being made that establishes the claimed “strangeness” of the documents. It does appear that the initial claims about how proportional spacing wasn’t available and Selectrics weren’t used are bullplop. And what about the basic point on the kerning? Is it true or not that repeated photocopying destroys alignments? This should be a matter of simple fact, not sneering disdain. This is something someone could confirm. His argument, I think, both makes sense and hurts the case for both sides: it means that CBS should be a lot less sure of their documents authenticity if they have no actual originals, and we should be a lot less sure that they are definately forgeries. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/223 "2004-09-12T16:05:34Z")
Can somebody answer this question: If it was proved that these documents could not have been written on a 1970s typewriter, and therefore they must have been written in a modern word-processing program, would it mean that they are necessarily fakes? How does OCR’ing and re-typing decaying memos work for governmental files? I don’t buy the crap about “intentional aging,” as ISTM that one bad copy or one good fax machine would create all of the noise seen in those documents. FTR, I don’t believe that anyone can prove anything without the originals and the provenance of the documents, but I’m doubtful that they were created in the 1970s, simply because the type from then looks nowhere near as neat as the memos. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/224 "2004-09-12T16:49:09Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > The only interesting thing I see coming out of this is, if it IS a forgery, CBS is going to look pretty bad. They will take a MAJOR hit on this. Why are they going to take a “major” hit? People on the right already believe the “mainstream media are liberal” and don’t trust them. People on the left trust (to a certain degree) the mainstream media and will consider this an honest mistake. I just don’t see the “hit”. The only effect may be that the right now has one more “argument” in its list of proofs that the “mainstream media are liberal” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/225 "2004-09-12T17:57:16Z")
CBS will take a major hit because they clearly didn’t do their research before putting these on the air. If the consensus among document experts had been that they were legit but it turned out they were forged in an extremely clever way, then CBS would be fine. But that’s not the case. NO ONE outside of CBS thinks these documents are real. If they are forgeries, they are very bad forgeries. There were plenty of things that CBS could have checked to verify the documents which they didn’t do. For example, checking to see if all the people mentioned in the memos were actually in the guard at that time. Or consulting a typesetting expert rather than a handwriting analyst. The other thing that’s going to hurt CBS is their stonewalling on this. If they had issued an immediate mea culpa and said that they were withdrawing the claims until the documents could be verified, they could have walked away from this with minimal damage. Instead, Dan Rather gave a snotty and very inadequate defense of the documents and announced the issue closed. Sorry, but when a news agency brings documents out which could effect an election, and those documents come under reasonable question, they have a duty to investigate. They have not done so. They continue to report the story as if true, without mentioning the misgivings everyone has. In fact, they did that right from the start. Killian’s family was interviewed by CBS and they all said that the documents were fake. How did CBS respond? The correct thing to do would have been to mention the family’s misgivings in the original report, but they didn’t. The other plank of CBS’s ‘verification’ involves Hodges, who they claim helped validate the documents. Now Hodges says he was manipulated by CBS. He says that they told him that they had _handwritten_ documents in Killian’s handwriting, and over the phone they asked if he could have said the things that were in the memos. Hodges response: “Well, if he wrote them, then I guess that’s what he thought.” Which CBS then spun into ‘validation’ of the typed documents. Hodges himself thinks they are fakes, but CBS won’t report that. All in all, a shameful performance by CBS. [Here is a good website](http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html) with an overview of the charges. Note especially the centering stuff. There is an address that reads like this: 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron P.O. Box 34567 Houston, Texas 77034 Try this: Copy the document. Then use centering in word to type the same address. Then cut and paste the word result and place it over the original. They line up exactly. At first glance this doesn’t seem like a big deal, but think about it - back then, centering was done manually, by spacing over what you think is the right number of spaces for each line. But the problem is that with proportional type, you don’t know how wide the line will be, so you don’t know where to start typing. You can ‘eyeball’ it, but it’s not going to be exact. Then you have to look at how MS Word does centering. It doesn’t just center the line on the page so that the ends are equal distances from the margins, like a human would do. It uses an ‘optical centering’ algorithm which takes into account the structure of the line itself, looking for a visual ‘center of mass’. Also, a typewriter can only center to the nearest character space, but Word centers to within a twip, a much smaller adjustment. Given all that, for the three lines to match word perfectly sort of beggars the imagination, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/226 "2004-09-12T18:11:45Z")
Don’t even try it, **Sam**! I had the word “kern” stashed away deep in the Obscure Vocabulary Archives, so it wasn’t a big deal to haul it out for a few moments, but “twip”?..no way! No way am I learning that one just so I can participate in this festival of typographic arcana. I’m going to assume its a bit of Canadian effrontery…“He’s a bit of a twip, don’t you think, 'ey?”…and leave it at that! So back off! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/227 "2004-09-12T19:12:40Z")
You don’t remember ‘twip’? He was that little robot guy on _Battlestar Galactica_. And the rats are abandoning ship. [Here’s Today’s Boston Globe](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/12/new_doubt_cast_on_guard_documents/): > [@](#): > > **New doubt cast on Guard documents > Military official now says CBS records are fake** > > The newspaper said that, after being told by CBS that retired Major General Bobby W. Hodges would vouch for the documents, it contacted Hodges Friday evening only to find that Hodges believes the documents are inauthentic. The Dallas Morning News also reported that a key figure cited in one of the memos as pressuring commanders to give Bush preferential treatment had retired from the military more than a year before the memo was dated. How lame is that on CBS’s fault? A newspaper calls them and asks for corroboration that the documents are real. They give the newspaper the name of a source. Newspaper calls source, and source says, “I think the documents are fake.” Oops. On a side note, The Boston Globe has an annoying ‘feature’ on their pages now - they’ve disabled right-click events so you can’t select and right-click ‘copy’. Of course, you can sidestep this ‘feature’ by selecting your text and using ctrl-C to copy. Morons. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/228 "2004-09-12T19:14:13Z")
er, ‘On CBS’s part’. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/229 "2004-09-12T22:05:34Z")
Gosh all a-roony, if only _someone_ who saw Bush show up for duty would just step forward and testify to the fact, this whole matter would evaporate faster than morning dew, and Dan Rather would be left with undeniable egg-on-face syndrome. Meanwhile, poor ol’ besieged George can do nothing but hope that the legions of self-appointed Right-Wing Typewriter Repairmen can leap to his defense with enough “proof” to convince folks that the documents are fake. Oh, the suspense! Oh, the anticipation! Why won’t a fellow Guardsman just step forth and save Bush’s bacon already? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/230 "2004-09-12T22:48:57Z")
[Here you go.](http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml) > [@](#): > > Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not remember the precise dates. On one occasion, Copeland said, Bush and Lt. Col. John “Bill” Calhoun came to Copeland’s office with a question about Bush’s pay. Copeland is not sure, but he believes the question had to do with where to mail Bush’s checks. > > Bush was never a member of the Alabama National Guard, he just did his drills here. For that reason, Copeland thinks he referred the pay question to the paymaster for the Texas National Guard. > > The other time Copeland remembers meeting Bush was at the base canteen. Bush was there drinking coffee or a soft drink, Copeland said. That would be TWO people now. I notice you conveniently forgot Mr. Calhoun, who has been saying for months that he drilled with Bush during the AWOL period. A member of the political campaign Bush worked for also says he remembers at least one occasion when Bush couldn’t make it to a campaign meeting because he had to drill. Now, I’m sure you’ll try to discredit all of them in some way, but let’s not say that ‘no one has ever come forward who remembers seeing Bush’, okay? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/231 "2004-09-12T23:06:15Z")
Man oh man, are we are going to see **rjung** get all repentant on us? ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2004, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/232 "2004-09-12T23:48:35Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > [Here is a good website](http://peterduncan.net/CBS_Documents.html) with an overview of the charges. Note especially the centering stuff. There is an address that reads like this: > > 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron > P.O. Box 34567 > Houston, Texas 77034 You know, if I had to do that on the fly, it’d be very difficult. But don’t you think that the secretary to the commander of the 111th would have had a bit of practice typing the squadron’s address? If there was trial and error or ‘eyeballing’ involved, it would have been a few years back, or whenever the squadron moved into that particular base. After a few false starts years back, the secretary would only have to remember something like “8 spaces, 17 spaces, 10 spaces” to get it to line up perfectly every time. This “issue” is yet another non-starter. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/233 "2004-09-13T00:45:48Z")
Except that Word does its spacing to the ‘twips’ level. So unless Word’s algorithm just happens to calculate the start as the right number of twips to land perfectly on a character boundary, it wouldn’t match. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/234 "2004-09-13T00:47:04Z")
Oh, and the spacing would have to match to the character boundary on all three lines. Does that seem likely to you? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/235 "2004-09-13T01:00:11Z")
[Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com) notes that the USA Today also obtained the Killian memos, and has two additional ones posted on their website not revealed by 60 Minutes. > [@](#): > > MORE KILLIAN MEMOS…This is weird. I haven’t seen this reported anywhere else, but an emailer just pointed out that USA Today’s story last Thursday about the Killian memos says that they also obtained copies of the memos. What’s more, even though their story doesn’t mention it, the PDF on their site contains two new memos. One is dated February 2, 1972, and asks for an update on Bush’s flight certification, and the other is dated June 24, 1973, and asks for advice on how to handle Bush’s year-end evaluation since Bush hadn’t been training in Houston since April 1972. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/236 "2004-09-13T01:06:52Z")
So. Are they fake? Dan Rather has experts saying they’re not. Sam? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/237 "2004-09-13T01:54:41Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > [Here you go.](http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml) > > That would be TWO people now. I notice you conveniently forgot Mr. Calhoun, who has been saying for months that he drilled with Bush during the AWOL period. > > \ > > Now, I’m sure you’ll try to discredit all of them in some way, but let’s not say that ‘no one has ever come forward who remembers seeing Bush’, okay? Yeoman’s work as always, **Sam**. I’m simply exhausted from _reading_ all your [clearly unbiased] posts in the pursuit of The Truth. Lord only knows how many hours upon hours of work you’ve put in your relentless defense of anything to do with Fearless Mis…er, Truth, **TRUTH!**. But hey, don’t think your work goes by unappreciated by progressive slackers such as myself. I mean just because I spent the day lazily sunning myself at the beach, chasing beers and drinking women (twice the fun and no hangover that way), doesn’t mean that upon my return I don’t look forward to reading the steaming piles of Truth you’re sure to have uncovered. Quite the contrary, **Sam** , quite the contrary! BTW, you simply never cease to amaze moi. I mean, amongst your ever increasing areas of expertise, I am dumbfounded (dumbfounded I tell ya!) to find out that you Know All There Is To Know About 1970’s typewriters! Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but Christ on a pogo-stick, who knew?! Come on, **Sam** , don’t hold back anymore, throw modesty and caution out the window, and tell us, once and for all, _everything and anything you’re an expert on_! Must be quite the list. And I for one, can’t wait to read it. Think I might impose on you for an autograph afterwards? Thanks in advance. Oh! I just about plumb forgot something else I wanted to mention in this post. Just overly excited, what with being your number One Fan and all… Anyhoo, would you please investigate the following claims a bit further? [**Memories place Bush in Alabama if records don’t**](http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/14alabush.html) > [@](#): > > The search for proof that young Lt. George W. Bush worked weekends at an Air Force base in Montgomery, 32 years ago has taken on a strange, forensic quality. > > \ > > One who said he does remember is Roswell businessman John Calhoun, 69. A retired officer of the Alabama Air National Guard and co-owner of Industrial Coatings Alliance Group, Calhoun stepped forward this week to say he could vouch for the president’s claims that he served with a Montgomery guard unit to fulfill his military obligation. Bush moved to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful 1972 U.S. Senate campaign of Winton “Red” Blount Jr. > > “The truth is George Bush came to Alabama. He asked for weekend drills with us. He was assigned to me,” said Calhoun, who was in Florida on Friday for this weekend’s Daytona 500 festivities. > > Calhoun said he saw Bush sign in at the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery eight to 10 times for roughly eight hours at a time from May to October 1972. > > “He showed up. He sat in my office. He signed in,” Calhoun said. “He was very determined to be there. He was in uniform and he did what he was supposed to do.” > \ > > **The dates Calhoun said he saw Bush at the air base do not correspond with the dates on payroll records released by the White House this week to show that Bush attended training in Alabama. The White House could offer no explanation Friday.** (bolding mine) > > “You would have to talk to Mr. Calhoun. I do not know him,” White House press secretary Scott McClellan said when asked about the discrepancy. From reading the above, one would almost be tempted to say there’s a bit of a problem with this Calhoun guy’s testimony, huh? But I won’t. Not until, you, The Relentless Pursuer of The Truth, tells me that there is. After all, Calhoun could have seen Bush’s ghost instead. That’s possible, right? 'cause I’m sure you know a lot about ghosts too. Right then, if you’ll excuse me, got more women to drink and beers to chase. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/238 "2004-09-13T02:11:01Z")
**Redfury** said: > [@](#): > > Yeoman’s work as always, Sam. I’m simply exhausted from reading all your [clearly unbiased] posts in the pursuit of The Truth. Lord only knows how many hours upon hours of work you’ve put in your relentless defense of anything to do with Fearless Mis…er, Truth, TRUTH!. But hey, don’t think your work goes by unappreciated by progressive slackers such as myself. I mean just because I spent the day lazily sunning myself at the beach, chasing beers and drinking women (twice the fun and no hangover that way), doesn’t mean that upon my return I don’t look forward to reading the steaming piles of Truth you’re sure to have uncovered. Quite the contrary, Sam, quite the contrary! Is there some point to this? Or are you just trying to slide ad-hominem attacks in the back door? > [@](#): > > BTW, you simply never cease to amaze moi. I mean, amongst your ever increasing areas of expertise, I am dumbfounded (dumbfounded I tell ya!) to find out that you Know All There Is To Know About 1970’s typewriters! Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but Christ on a pogo-stick, who knew?! You just had to ask, buddy. No, I’m not an expert. However, I have been doing desktop publishing work for twenty years, all the way back to the days of the earliest Ventura Publisher. So I’ve picked up a fair bit of knowledge about typesetting along the way. And I’m a professional software developer by trade, so terms like twips are second nature. Plus, I am capable of googling. I know it’s an arcane skill amongst such as yourself, but it’s worth learning. You should try it sometime. > [@](#): > > Come on, Sam, don’t hold back anymore, throw modesty and caution out the window, and tell us, once and for all, everything and anything you’re an expert on! Must be quite the list. And I for one, can’t wait to read it. Geez, if you think I’m an expert on so many things, you must set an incredibly low standard for yourself. > [@](#): > > Think I might impose on you for an autograph afterwards? > > Thanks in advance. You really should calm down a bit, dude. But it warms my heart to know I cause you so much consternation that you’re reduced to dive-bombing threads just to leave big turds like this. You should get out more. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/239 "2004-09-13T02:28:55Z")
“Dude”? _“Dude”!_ Guards! Sieze him! He’s an _impostor_! Clever disguise, Dr. Evil, but you made one _little_ mistake… ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303/240 "2004-09-13T02:36:40Z")
> [@](#): > > The Selectric expert points out that manually centering proportional fonts is not easy, because you don’t know how long each line will be until you type it. When I was little we had a electric typewriter that would center text, you just hit the “center” key, type stuff and when you hit enter it would type it all out centered. I thought it was neat. That would have been around 80, though, though I seem to remember the typewriter was thought of as old then. The memo header could also be pre-printed letterhead. > [@](#): > > Try this: Copy the document. Then use centering in word to type the same address. Then cut and paste the word result and place it over the original. They line up exactly. [Doesn’t work when I do it.](http://www.triorb.com/stuff/gwbdoc3.gif). The spacing goes badly off at the zip and PO box. I’ll wait and see for more info, we’ll know in a few days. Only low res scans it’s hard to be doing more than wild speculation. The stuff about old typewriters is cool. Sniping at each other is not. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-missing-nat-guard-documents/263303.md?page=13)