# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/21 "2011-02-05T07:57:27Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Just pointing out that it’s silly to act as though Islam represents some cultural evil when it’s a pretty universal human trait. We might as well just pit the whole human race–it would be faster in the long run. There are numerous evils which are unique to Islam, and Islam, in fact, is the greatest threat to peace in the world today. It is not a small threat, either, but one commanding tens and even hundreds of millions of fanatics. ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/22 "2011-02-05T08:02:33Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > What’s absurd about equating Islam and Christianity? > > Both pray to the same God, believe Jesus was the Mesiah, believe that he was born form a virgin, and that he will return on the Day of Judgement to battle the anti-Christ. Don’t play dumb. Most Christain sects believe that Christ WAS God, and most also believe in an entity called The Holy Ghost, and all believe that Christ’s ministry was final. There is also some tension, is there not, between a God who says of the adultress “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and a God who says: “Stone her”. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/23 "2011-02-05T08:37:41Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I certainly hope no one hear decides to condemn all Christians whenever they hear of “witches” being murdered in parts of Christian Africa. Or when they hear about Christians picketing the funerals of gay teenagers, or bombing abortion clinics and killing doctors, or any number of other vile acts. Those wacky Christians! Of course when a Christian does something abhorrent, it’s just the actions of a lone extremist, whereas when a Muslim does something abhorrent it’s because 100% of them are teh evil. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/24 "2011-02-05T08:52:02Z")
> [@NCDane](#): > > Don’t play dumb. > > Most Christain sects believe that Christ WAS God, > and most also believe in an entity called The Holy Ghost, > and all believe that Christ’s ministry was final. I didn’t say that Muslims and Christians were identical, I said they were extremely similar. > [@](#): > > There is also some tension, is there not, between a God > who says of the adultress “Let he who is without sin > cast the first stone” and a God who says: “Stone her” Well, for starters Mary Magdalene wasn’t an adulterer and second of all Muslims believe that story and parable as well. Remember, according to traditional Islamic teaching Jesus(Issa) was a Muslim prophet and the Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/25 "2011-02-05T09:29:19Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I certainly hope no one hear decides to condemn all Christians whenever they hear of “witches” being murdered in parts of Christian Africa. Absent scientific polling I cannot speak for anyone but myself. However, I think it is a safe guess that over 90% of all Christians worldwide would agree with me that such behavior is abhorrent. Now, speaking of scientific polling, see page 14 of this link: [Pew Muslim Poll Results released 12/2/10](http://pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/Pew-Global-Attitudes-Muslim-Report-FINAL-December-2-2010.pdf) And try to follow some simple arithmetic: Number of Muslims in countries polled: (in millions) 74 Turkey 79 Egypt 6 Jordan 3 Lebanon 203 Indonesia 174 Pakistan 78 Nigeria 617million TOTAL combined Muslim population of the countries polled Percentage of Muslims in countries polled favoring capital punishment for apostasy: 5 Turkey 84 Egypt 86 Jordan 6 Lebanon 30 Indonesia 76 Pakistan 51 Nigeria Number Muslims multiplied by percentage favoring capital punishment for apostasy = number Muslims favoring per country: (in millions) 4 Turkey 66 Egypt 5 Jordan 0.2 Lebanon 61 Indonesia 132 Pakistan 40 Nigeria \*\*308 million TOTAL combined Muslim population of the countries polled favoring capital punishment for apostasy 308/617 = 50% = overall percentage favoring\*\* Percentage of Muslims in countries polled favoring stoning for adultery: 16 Turkey 82 Egypt 70 Jordan 23 Lebanon 42 Indonesia 82 Pakistan 56 Nigeria Number Muslims multiplied by percentage favoring stoning for adultery = number Muslims favoring per country: (in millions) 12 Turkey 65 Egypt 4 Jordan 0.7 Lebanon 85 Indonesia 143 Pakistan 44 Nigeria \*\*353 TOTAL combined Muslim population of the countries polled favoring stoning for adultery 353/617 = 58% = overall percentage favoring\*\* I think it is likely that the 617 million sample population taken from seven widespread countries is representative of the entire Muslim World population. I therefore condemn not all, but at least half of all Muslims for religiously motivated violent depravity. ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/26 "2011-02-05T09:41:57Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I didn’t say that Muslims and Christians were identical, I said they were extremely similar. The differences between the three Abrahamic religions are as profound as their similarities, and to call them “similar” is a misrepresentation. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, for starters Mary Magdalene wasn’t an adulterer and second of all Muslims believe that story and parable as well. I was not speaking of Mary Magdalene, but of the unnamed adulteress of John 8 1-7: > **[Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone](https://range.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/let-he-who-is-without-sin-cast-the-first-stone/)** > > Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7 A beautiful verse from the Bible, full of meaning and thought. I’ve enjoyed it many times. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Remember, according to traditional Islamic teaching Jesus(Issa) was a Muslim prophet and the Messiah. Remember that according to Christian teaching the line of prophets ended with Christ, and that no Christian recognizes Mohammed as a prophet of God. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/27 "2011-02-05T10:56:03Z")
Darn, another escapee from the moron factory. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/28 "2011-02-05T14:38:15Z")
> [@NCDane](#): > > I therefore condemn not all, but at least half of all Muslims for religiously motivated violent depravity. I condemn them too, in the strongest terms (see, in big letters and everything). I’m sure, upon hearing this news, they will stop immediately. ---
**Author:** ![McReady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@McReady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McReady)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/29 "2011-02-05T14:45:58Z")
Could a mod fix the thread title? I’m inured to magellan01 being a fucking idiot, but “Marvelousnous” just keeps hanging out there and I feel it’s spreading an invisible stain all over the site. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/30 "2011-02-05T14:47:33Z")
At the risk of being declared “PC” by the Looney-Tunes Brigade around here, I have to point out that “religion” /= “culture.” The young girl died because her culture is a sick one and needs to be extirpated from the planet. To blame all followers of her religion for the sins of a few is…un-Christian. Bad, bad fatwa! No biscuit! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/31 "2011-02-05T14:48:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I condemn them too, in the strongest terms (see, in big letters and everything). I’m sure, upon hearing this news, they will stop immediately. And if not, at least you’ve Raised Awareness, which is just as good. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/32 "2011-02-05T14:50:30Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Well, for starters Mary Magdalene wasn’t an adulterer and second of all Muslims believe that story and parable as well. That story wasn’t about MM, although most people think it was. > [@](#): > > Remember, according to traditional Islamic teaching Jesus(Issa) was a Muslim prophet and the Messiah. What do Muslims think it meant to be “the Messiah”? Obviously, they don’t believe what Christians or Jews believe it means to be “the Messiah”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/33 "2011-02-05T15:47:53Z")
I recommend to anyone who is interested an excellent book by Karen Armstrong, _Islam: A Short History._ The faithful Muslim regards Jesus as a legitimate prophet, but refuse the notion of “Messiah”, as that imparts a divinity to Jesus that is anathema for them. Only Allah is Divine, prophets are human, they are the messengers and servants of God. Muslims also refuse to accept the Crucifixion, insisting that God would not permit such a thing to happen to one of His messengers. The Koran explicitly demands the faithful Muslim will respect and protect the “People of the Book”, which means Christians and Jews, as being legitimate adherents to their own respective messengers. Historically, Muslims have found “loopholes” in this commandment, much the same way that Christians can find ways to justify violence. It takes a bit of imagination and a bit of fast footwork, but they manage. And like Christians and Jews, “originalist” Islamists condemn the loaning of money at interest (usury), but such is the very foundation of the Capitalist faith, so accommodations are found. God is God, of course, but business is business. And so it goes. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/34 "2011-02-05T15:59:16Z")
I’ll probably take a lot of shit for saying this, but I think 14-year-old rape victims probably shouldn’t be whipped to death. Props to **magellan** for having the stones to blaze that trail, knowing what the consequences would be in a liberal cesspool like this one. You’re a true inspiration, and I’ll be honored to hang on a cross beside yours. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/35 "2011-02-05T16:15:17Z")
Yo, **Vinny**! Can you see my house from there? Did I leave the lights on? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/36 "2011-02-05T17:34:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I have an urgent need to know, my Congressman, Keith Ellison, is a Muslim. Sure, he _appears_ normal, like a Lutheran with a good tan, but if he’s seething with jihadist hatred, I need to know. You reminded me that the mayor of my city is a Muslim - he’s probably working tirelessly to blow up all of Calgary. He only SEEMS like a nice, intelligent, competent person. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/37 "2011-02-05T17:37:22Z")
These are cultural problems, and not unique to Muslim societies. They may be using religion as a cover, but these atrocities really have their roots in the local culture more than the religion. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/38 "2011-02-05T17:46:48Z")
I don’t think there’s much point in trying to have a rational discussion with people who think that every Muslim on the planet is a monster. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/39 "2011-02-05T17:49:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > These are cultural problems, and not unique to Muslim societies. They may be using religion as a cover, but these atrocities really have their roots in the local culture more than the religion. What the book says is irrelevant. It’s what the people believe their religion says. ---
**Author:** ![Gymnopithys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@Gymnopithys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gymnopithys)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/40 "2011-02-05T17:50:30Z")
Just reading: PEW (A nonpartisan US fact tank that provides information on the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world through public opinion polling, …) found that 82% of Egyptians support stoning as a punishment for adultery, 84% favor death penalty for Muslims who leave the religion… (Time Magazine, February 14, 2011). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=3)