# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/401 "2011-02-10T07:28:54Z")
> [@villa](#): > > So you backpedalled when you were called on your crap. Big deal. Nope. My position hasn’t changed at all. You’re just choosing to mischaracterize my OP as saying something it doesn’t. And if you haven’t noticed, schmuck, this is The Pit. Fuck Islam for the barbarism it spawns. And for the logic impaired, that does not say that _all_ of Islam is a shitstain on humanity. But hey, if you haven’t been able to grasp that by now, there is little hop. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/402 "2011-02-10T07:46:21Z")
Wherever would anyone gets such a notion from your generous and humane themes of compassionate understanding, spiced just lightly with loathing, hatred and contempt? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/403 "2011-02-10T08:46:11Z")
The OP states that the rape and beating of the teen is the “feel for Islam.” But the country where it happened is an Islamic country and that country’s actual government has ruled that “Fatwa is illegal.” Also, to know if the locals based their decision on actual Islamic jurisprudence, one would have to know exactly what those who issued that fatwa stated and what hadith they used. I suspect, though, that this is more of the same old same old in a poor and mostly illiterate area of the country: someone of prestige or wealth does something heinous to somone poor or lacking in prestige and then bribes some local leaders to get a ruling against their victim. I’m sayint that because I don’t recall seeing what kind of punishment hte local so-called council meted out to the rapist. And since the OP himself said that the raping and killing of the teen girl is the “feel for Islam,” perhaps he could point out where in Islamic scripture or hadith such actions are ordered? And by hadith, I mean actual schools of hadith, recognized as valid by those specializing in such, not by some local bribe-taker. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/404 "2011-02-10T09:16:01Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Fuck Islam for the barbarism it spawns. Can we safe assume that you also despise Christianity for “the barbarism” it has spawned. It seems to me this thread seems to be dominated by two types of cretins. The first are people who moronically assume that all religions are equally capable or likely to inspire violence(Diogenes being a prime example), while the second are airheads who think that Islam is more likely to inspire atrocities than Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/405 "2011-02-10T15:31:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Nope. My position hasn’t changed at all. You’re just choosing to mischaracterize my OP as saying something it doesn’t. And if you haven’t noticed, schmuck, this is The Pit. Fuck Islam for the barbarism it spawns. > > And for the logic impaired, that does not say that _all_ of Islam is a shitstain on humanity. But hey, if you haven’t been able to grasp that by now, there is little hop. No - but it does rant against Islam. It’s identical to me blaming white people for skinheads. Which would be idiotic. I choose to blame the skinheads and their fellow travellers. If your position hasn’t changed, you are standing by the racism in your original post, which is fine. I think open and overt racists are a lot less dangerous than stealth ones. If you haven’t grasped that by now, then it’s you who needs to take a little hop to a vantage point from which you can better see the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/406 "2011-02-10T15:44:56Z")
Thanks for the response, **AshenLady** ; I’ll take that as an “I’m just here to troll.” > [@magellan01](#): > > A now a question: how does this RRR have a greater impact on your life the radical Islam you also rightly fear? From where I sit, the murderous barbarians that flew the planes into buildings on 9/11 have effected life in the U.S. more than anything in the past 60 years. The psycho extremists killed a few thousand people. The RRR used that as an excuse to undermine fundamental rights and freedoms, as well as embroil us in a series of conflicts that have killed thousands of people in our armed forces, plus others from allied countries, and resulted in six-figure death tolls for non-American civilians (but they’re brown, so it’s okay). I was going to say, “You’re not just a racist, but retarded, too,” and then I realized that’s probably redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/407 "2011-02-10T16:40:05Z")
> [@Shot From Guns](#): > > The psycho extremists killed a few thousand people. The RRR used that as an excuse to undermine fundamental rights and freedoms, as well as embroil us in a series of conflicts that have killed thousands of people in our armed forces, plus others from allied countries, and resulted in six-figure death tolls for non-American civilians (but they’re brown, so it’s okay). The Radical _Religious_ Right? Or the Radical _Neocon_ Right? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/408 "2011-02-10T16:46:59Z")
Can’t it be both? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/409 "2011-02-10T16:55:12Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > The Radical _Religious_ Right? Or the Radical _Neocon_ Right? I initially used it as radical racist right. It seemed to fit. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/410 "2011-02-10T17:11:04Z")
Muslims the world over danced in the street on 9/11. Isn’t that marvelous? Three thousand people died in an incinerator, isn’t that something to be proud about? What does Islam have to be proud of? Christians, Catholics and all kinds of religions do charity work. What kind of charity work does Islam conduct? The US and all kinds of countries help out when there are natural disasters the world over. Egypt came to the assistance when there was a forest fire in Israel, as did many different countries, that offered their help. Tell me about the positive Islamic works that Muslims do the world over? I am all ears. I want to hear about all the good works that Islam does for people other than for themselves. You know, good old fashioned, roll up the sleeves charity work in say Haiti, or South America. Tell me how Islam helped get the Chilean miners out of their prison? Tell me all about the shelters for battered women that Islam offers. Tell me about all the positive and good works that Islam offers. I’d love to hear about all the positive actions that we have to thank Islam for. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/411 "2011-02-10T17:14:39Z")
Obvious troll is obvious. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/412 "2011-02-10T17:18:26Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Obvious troll is obvious. Yawn. Come on, big gun, tell me all about the good that Islam does for society and the world at large. Let’s hear all about it. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/413 "2011-02-10T17:20:41Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > What kind of charity work does Islam conduct? I thought I remembered that the Quran actually promoted charity, so I did a quick Google search: > [@](#): > > 9:18. The only people to frequent GOD’s masjids are those who believe in GOD and the Last Day, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and give the **obligatory charity** (Zakat), and do not fear except GOD. These will surely be among the guided ones. > > 64:16. Therefore, you shall reverence GOD as much as you can, and listen, and obey, **and give (to charity)** for your own good. Anyone who is protected from his own stinginess, these are the successful ones. > > 89:15-20. When the human being is tested by his Lord, through blessings and joy, he says, “My Lord is generous towards me.” But if He tests him through reduction in provisions, he says, “My Lord is humiliating me!” Wrong! It is you who brought it on yourselves by not regarding the orphan. And not **advocating charity towards the poor**. And consuming the inheritance of helpless orphans. And loving the money too much. Taken from [one of the first Google hits](http://www.fyi-islam.info/knows-best.htm) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/414 "2011-02-10T17:28:39Z")
Yeah, but if they were \*serious \*about it, they’d make it one of their Five Pillars or something! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/415 "2011-02-10T18:19:40Z")
Really, I am \*shocked and apalled \*that there aren’t Muslim Missions on every corner, offering a free meal to anyone who agrees to worship Allah. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/416 "2011-02-10T18:31:04Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > What does Islam have to be proud of? Christians, Catholics and all kinds of religions do charity work. What kind of charity work does Islam conduct? Given that Islam does not have much in the way of an organized church hierarchy, seems to me it would be inherently somewhat more difficult to organize large, multicountry charitable efforts than for some other religions. Nevertheless, there seem to be numerous quite large charitable organizations that have muslim ties. Are you claiming that you have never heard of Red Crescent, for example? [http://islam.about.com/od/activism/tp/charities.htm](http://islam.about.com/od/activism/tp/charities.htm) Anyway, what’s your point? You apparently already have lots of reasons, in your own mind, to hate muslims. Are you now saying the real reason you hate them because they don’t do enough charity work? Well, I don’t do much charity work. Maybe you should hate me too. No real need to respond if you don’t want to. I understand that you’re just generally pissed off at this board and trying to wind people up whatever way you can. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/417 "2011-02-10T18:35:23Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The RRR used that as an excuse to undermine fundamental rights and freedoms, as well as embroil us in a series of conflicts… IIRC, the resolution putting this now sad state of affairs all into law and in motion passed the senate unanimously with less than a handful of dissenters in the house. Gotta be careful what you ask for - especially when EVERYONE is asking for it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/418 "2011-02-10T18:50:20Z")
The alpha lemming leads, the rest of us go sailing off the cliff with him. \*Wheeeeeee \*(splat!) ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/419 "2011-02-10T18:51:42Z")
B.S. Churches of all kinds and sizes have charitable causes of all kinds and sizes. Not just churches and religions that are superhuge. Charity is one of the best things that organized religion does well. Feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked and taking care of the sick. Islam is an angry organization of self-congratulatory individuals who try their best to instill fear and degradation to any people who oppose their tactics of terrorism and hatred for people with different beliefs. A religion of peace? You’ve got to be joking. So far as this board is concerned, it has all the makings of a group of people who, like incestuousness, brings about a community of people who cannot be circumspect in any meaning of the word. You have all become lockstepped and support each others prejudices, and of which you accuse other peoples of possessing. You are all as prejudiced as the people you accuse of prejudice and as bigoted, in your own way, and blind to any and all idea that you could possibly be the individuals that you think that you so loathe. You are what you hate the most and tossing crude epithets to those who will not go along with your opinions, in your almost childlike pivoting and wailing. Until you can show respect for people who don’t agree with yourselves, you will always be blinded by your own obtuseness, while claiming that you are “above the fray” and better than the individuals to whom your ideas are as disparate from as any other bigoted group of people. As Ben Franklin so aptly put it…“Right is right even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it.” ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/420 "2011-02-10T19:02:23Z")
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