# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/421 "2011-02-10T19:02:56Z")
Humor anemia. Irony poor blood. But I like “pivoting and wailing”. Sounds like the next Big Thing for The Kids. You’ll be walking along, then spot some teenager with an Ipod sucking their brains, and then they’ll suddenly start spinning around while keening and ululating in a hgh-pitched shriek. Stupid? Yeah, sure, but good exercise, fresh air, and it beats the shit out of rap. Just as long as they don’t do it on my lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/422 "2011-02-10T19:03:56Z")
Shake it up baby (shake it up baby) Pivot and wail! (pivot and wail) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/423 "2011-02-10T19:18:09Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > B.S. Churches of all kinds and sizes have charitable causes of all kinds and sizes. Not just churches and religions that are superhuge. Charity is one of the best things that organized religion does well. Feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked and taking care of the sick. Islam is an angry organization of self-congratulatory individuals who try their best to instill fear and degradation to any people who oppose their tactics of terrorism and hatred for people with different beliefs. A religion of peace? You’ve got to be joking. This is precisely why people are making fun of you: the unwarranted hysteria, the complete inability to acknowledge correction, and the constant erection of straw men to bolster an untenable position. To break it down, 1) I have answered your demand by posting a link to several major international charitale organizations that are considered Islamic, thereby nullifying your first point; 2) Your statement that Islam as whole is "an angry organization’ is purely your opinion and it is not up to me or anyone else to disabuse of that notion, just as it is not up to us to accept it as a statement of fact; 3) I have never once in my posting history on this board used the term “religion of peace” in reference to Islam and you are therefore attempting to set up a straw man that does not accurately describe my position. > [@](#): > > As Ben Franklin so aptly put it…“Right is right even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it.” William Penn, you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/424 "2011-02-10T19:38:08Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > IIRC, the resolution putting this now sad state of affairs all into law and in motion passed the senate unanimously with less than a handful of dissenters in the house. Don’t fucking look at _me_–I live in Wisconsin. We have (had :() Russ Feingold, the only Senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/425 "2011-02-10T19:44:31Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > This is precisely why people are making fun of you: the unwarranted hysteria, the complete inability to acknowledge correction, and the constant erection of straw men to bolster an untenable position. To break it down, 1) I have answered your demand by posting a link to several major international charitale organizations that are considered Islamic, thereby nullifying your first point; 2) Your statement that Islam as whole is "an angry organization’ is purely your opinion and it is not up to me or anyone else to disabuse of that notion, just as it is not up to us to accept it as a statement of fact; 3) I have never once in my posting history on this board used the term “religion of peace” in reference to Islam and you are therefore attempting to set up a straw man that does not accurately describe my position. > > William Penn, you mean. William Penn…yes, but bigots are just as bigoted as the bigots they can’t abide by. In your own way you’re as bigoted as the people whom you hate. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/426 "2011-02-10T19:46:49Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > William Penn…yes, but bigots are just as bigoted as the bigots they can’t abide by. In your own way you’re as bigoted as the people whom you hate. But you’re clearly being bigoted in your intolerance of our bigotry. Which makes you a double-bigot. Bigot. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/427 "2011-02-10T19:47:45Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > OMG we’re being bigoted towards the views of bigots! OMG no one has ever tried that argument before! Oh, you see yourself as being totally impartial and without your own prejudice? That’s a good one…perfect people, who lack the ability to be circumspect even in their own opinions??? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/428 "2011-02-10T19:48:51Z")
You should stop using multiple question marks. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/429 "2011-02-10T19:49:02Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > But you’re clearly being bigoted in your intolerance of our bigotry. Which makes you a double-bigot. Bigot. You’re just as bigoted as anyone else. Bigotry doesn’t end when and just because you take an opposite opinion to whatever topic you are espousing. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/430 "2011-02-10T19:50:05Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > You should stop using multiple question marks. Who appointed you SD English Professor 101???😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/431 "2011-02-10T19:50:16Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > You’re just as bigoted as anyone else. Bigotry doesn’t end when and just because you take an opposite opinion to whatever topic you are espousing. Thank you for your contribution. You’re clearly thinking as hard as you can about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/432 "2011-02-10T19:51:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t fucking look at _me_–I live in Wisconsin. Aw crap. Packer fan too - right? Damn. You people are right about EVERYTHING! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/433 "2011-02-10T19:55:54Z")
Holocaust deniers don’t think they are bigoted. They think that they have the correct perspective in the events of WWII. Take your own stand, and who is truly bigoted? Depends on whose version of the truth you believe in, eh? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/434 "2011-02-10T19:59:14Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > William Penn…yes, but bigots are just as bigoted as the bigots they can’t abide by. Er, what? > [@](#): > > You’re just as bigoted as anyone else. Bigotry doesn’t end when and just because you take an opposite opinion to whatever topic you are espousing. At the risk of bering redundant: er, what? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/435 "2011-02-10T20:00:11Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > Muslims the world over danced in the street on 9/11. Isn’t that marvelous? Three thousand people died in an incinerator, isn’t that something to be proud about? [Around the world?](http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp) So far, all I’ve heard from reputable sources is that _some_ Palestinians danced in the street. And the odd thing, though, is that the Muslims in charge of the area did what they could to stop that celebration. > [@](#): > > What does Islam have to be proud of? [Here’s a short list on the Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). You could also look up a history of algebra to see how much of it is due to advances under Islam. > [@](#): > > Christians, Catholics and all kinds of religions do charity work. What kind of charity work does Islam conduct? [Does partnering with LDS Charities for relief in Haiti count?](http://lds.org/haiti-relief/relief/lds_relief.htm) > [@](#): > > The US and all kinds of countries help out when there are natural disasters the world over. Egypt came to the assistance when there was a forest fire in Israel, as did many different countries, that offered their help. Tell me about the positive Islamic works that Muslims do the world over? I am all ears. I want to hear about all the good works that Islam does for people other than for themselves. You know, good old fashioned, roll up the sleeves charity work in say Haiti, or South America. I just showed you that there is an Islamic charitable group partnering with one Christian charity to help in Haiti. As to what’s being done for non-Muslims, what about [these guys](http://www.iazf.org/index.html)? ( **Bolding** mine.) > [@](#): > > The Islamic-American Zakat Foundation is a 501 (c)(3) tax-exempt religious and charitable organization. Our mission is to provide assistance for food, shelter, clothing and transportation for the > poor and needy, orphans, wayfarers, and other persons and needs > deserving of charity under Islamic law by assessing, collecting and distributing obligatory and voluntary charity called zakat and > sadaqa. Our primary objective is to serve poor and needy Muslims > in the United States, **eligible non-Muslims are also helped** and some > aid is sent abroad in major man-made or natural disasters like the Pakistan floods. > NOTICE: This organization provides no scholarships, tuition money, nor any other payments to schools or universities, or to foreign organizations, nor will we send any money directly abroad. > [@](#): > > Tell me how Islam helped get the Chilean miners out of their prison? [Tell me how religion played in the rescue other than the leader of the Roman Catholic Church sending rosaries to the trapped miners](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_accident). > [@](#): > > Tell me all about the shelters for battered women that Islam offers. How about [this one in America](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120752667)? > [@](#): > > Tell me about all the positive and good works that Islam offers. I’d love to hear about all the positive actions that we have to thank Islam for. Done. Now how about you telling us what you’re more proud of, your ignorance or your prejudice? ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/436 "2011-02-10T20:01:18Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Er, what? > > At the risk of bering redundant: er, what? No, that person didn’t understand what I was talking about regarding being a bigot but not being aware of it…thinking that you couldn’t possibly be a bigot because you are too intertwined with your own ego. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/437 "2011-02-10T20:02:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Around the world?](http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp) So far, all I’ve heard from reputable sources is that _some_ Palestinians danced in the street. And the odd thing, though, is that the Muslims in charge of the area did what they could to stop that celebration. > > [Here’s a short list on the Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). You could also look up a history of algebra to see how much of it is due to advances under Islam. > > [Does partnering with LDS Charities for relief in Haiti count?](http://lds.org/haiti-relief/relief/lds_relief.htm) > > I just showed you that there is an Islamic charitable group partnering with one Christian charity to help in Haiti. As to what’s being done for non-Muslims, what about [these guys](http://www.iazf.org/index.html)? ( **Bolding** mine.) > > [Tell me how religion played in the rescue other than the leader of the Roman Catholic Church sending rosaries to the trapped miners](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_accident). > > How about [this one in America](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120752667)? > > Done. Now how about you telling us what you’re more proud of, your ignorance or your prejudice? Algebra, whoopee…what have they done in the last few hundred years but denigrate people who are different from themselves? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/438 "2011-02-10T20:03:08Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t fucking look at _me_–I live in Wisconsin. We have (had :() Russ Feingold, the only Senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act. You KNEW that, yet still thought it was okay to put forth the lie you did. And I say “lie” because you just admitted that you knew what you portrayed to be reality to _not_ be true. You’re fucking pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/439 "2011-02-10T20:04:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Around the world?](http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp) So far, all I’ve heard from reputable sources is that _some_ Palestinians danced in the street. And the odd thing, though, is that the Muslims in charge of the area did what they could to stop that celebration. > > [Here’s a short list on the Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). You could also look up a history of algebra to see how much of it is due to advances under Islam. > > [Does partnering with LDS Charities for relief in Haiti count?](http://lds.org/haiti-relief/relief/lds_relief.htm) > > I just showed you that there is an Islamic charitable group partnering with one Christian charity to help in Haiti. As to what’s being done for non-Muslims, what about [these guys](http://www.iazf.org/index.html)? ( **Bolding** mine.) > > [Tell me how religion played in the rescue other than the leader of the Roman Catholic Church sending rosaries to the trapped miners](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Copiap%C3%B3_mining_accident). > > How about [this one in America](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120752667)? > > Done. Now how about you telling us what you’re more proud of, your ignorance or your prejudice? I am proud to be circumspect and that I can admit that there are different religions and some can do more good than bad and vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/440 "2011-02-10T20:05:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > You KNEW that, yet still thought it was okay to put forth the lie you did. And I say “lie” because you just admitted that you knew what you portrayed to be reality to _not_ be true. > > You’re fucking pathetic. Pathetic is thinking that the only way in which the radical right has infringed on people’s rights is by the singularly mistitled USA PATRIOT act. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=23)